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Pokémon XY General Discussion
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so it is forme change?
See, form changing usually indicates stat reorganization, but evolution denotes a BST increase. My inner fanboy says that MEvo will give the Pokémon a small stat boost (say, 20 extra stat points) and a more specialized stat spread.
Because...you know...it'd be great to have during gym battles and fights with the mafia boss for those days that you have yet to collect a Choice Scarf or a Life Orb.
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I'm going to be honest: I hated Mega Pokemon at first. I thought the designs were trashy and over-complicated. I thought they'd destroy the meta. I thought it was the worst instance of power-creep. Now, however, I've grown to the idea.
I've noticed a trend in Gen VI designs, one not wholly surprising and probably necessary: a lot tend to look disproportionate or silly in their artwork compared to in-game footage. When rendered in 3D, in motion, many of the designs come to life and some odd proportioning makes sense. I saw this with Fennekin, Noivern, Malamar; now I see it in most of the Megas. I think it especially helps the Megas because their rather complex designs tend to draw the eye to multiple foci when in a static form, but when their designs are flowing, in-motion, with a changing camera it tends to bring less focus to specific areas. I think it's a good thing, and made me like the idea considerably more.
Aside from designs, I was worried these Mega Pokemon would be simply overpowering. To share a quote from the official site about Mega Mewtwo, "It will probably be unstoppable!" I mean, we got a bunch of Pokemon whose stats will increase, some had good added typings, and most had an incredibly potent ability added (and Mewtwo-M got Insomnia :I). I was worried they'd become the focus of the entire metagame!
But then the Mega Stones were revealed. These allayed pretty much every fear I might have had about these Pokemon. Yeah, they're powerful, but they have to forgo held items to use these formes, which could be crippling. They might have powerful abilities and higher attacking stats but if they can't use Choice Band or Life Orb most lose offensive potency; the Mega Pokemon who subverts this the best is Mega Lucario who's confirmed to have an increase in Attack and Adaptibility, which makes up for item-based power but only on its STABs. I feel like, more than anything, they become an interesting alternative to the normal Pokemon that has simple, bland power to make up for other versatility they might otherwise happen.
I'd assume they give an actual stat boost, since just an ability change and type change, with stat redistribution, might not be enough to make up for the lack of an item. It wouldn't be the first time a forme change actually boosted stats: Rotom's BST is 440 but Rotom-A's is 520; Darmanitan has 480 and Darmanitan-Z has 540; and we all know Kyurem's jump from 660 to 700. Maybe they'd just shuffle around stats (I actually do think that's what they'd do in Mewtwo's case) but I'd rather see a couple of stat boosts here and there for them; some like Absol and Mawile virtually require boosts rather than redistributions to be viable.
Other note: Ampharos-M, with its typing and ability, I think might be trying too hard to be Zekrom.
I've noticed a trend in Gen VI designs, one not wholly surprising and probably necessary: a lot tend to look disproportionate or silly in their artwork compared to in-game footage. When rendered in 3D, in motion, many of the designs come to life and some odd proportioning makes sense. I saw this with Fennekin, Noivern, Malamar; now I see it in most of the Megas. I think it especially helps the Megas because their rather complex designs tend to draw the eye to multiple foci when in a static form, but when their designs are flowing, in-motion, with a changing camera it tends to bring less focus to specific areas. I think it's a good thing, and made me like the idea considerably more.
Aside from designs, I was worried these Mega Pokemon would be simply overpowering. To share a quote from the official site about Mega Mewtwo, "It will probably be unstoppable!" I mean, we got a bunch of Pokemon whose stats will increase, some had good added typings, and most had an incredibly potent ability added (and Mewtwo-M got Insomnia :I). I was worried they'd become the focus of the entire metagame!
But then the Mega Stones were revealed. These allayed pretty much every fear I might have had about these Pokemon. Yeah, they're powerful, but they have to forgo held items to use these formes, which could be crippling. They might have powerful abilities and higher attacking stats but if they can't use Choice Band or Life Orb most lose offensive potency; the Mega Pokemon who subverts this the best is Mega Lucario who's confirmed to have an increase in Attack and Adaptibility, which makes up for item-based power but only on its STABs. I feel like, more than anything, they become an interesting alternative to the normal Pokemon that has simple, bland power to make up for other versatility they might otherwise happen.
I'd assume they give an actual stat boost, since just an ability change and type change, with stat redistribution, might not be enough to make up for the lack of an item. It wouldn't be the first time a forme change actually boosted stats: Rotom's BST is 440 but Rotom-A's is 520; Darmanitan has 480 and Darmanitan-Z has 540; and we all know Kyurem's jump from 660 to 700. Maybe they'd just shuffle around stats (I actually do think that's what they'd do in Mewtwo's case) but I'd rather see a couple of stat boosts here and there for them; some like Absol and Mawile virtually require boosts rather than redistributions to be viable.
Other note: Ampharos-M, with its typing and ability, I think might be trying too hard to be Zekrom.
I do admit that they look a lot better as models. I still can't get my X/Y hype back though.
I could see MegaTwo getting a BST of 700.
Ampharos can be special Zekrom instead of physical.
I seriously doubt mega-pokes will be OP even if they automatically transform in battle without waiting a turn or anything. You have two opportunity costs confirmed: item use and making a different Pokemon mega instead. So for example in order to use MegaLucario, you give up on using LO and have to use regular Absol(or whatever is on the team) instead of mega.
Finally, I don't think they will be underwhelming either just because you lose an item. Megastones could very well be the only way to boost speed with an item outside of Quick Claw and Choice Scarf. You also get a different ability/typing in some cases which will carve niches out for team synergy/utility. Finally with a likely stat increase+redistribution, Megamons will probably have boosts to power that will rival item boosts and not be situational(expert belt) or have a drawback(life orb).
I also think it has been fairly consistent that evolutions get higher base HP, so I expect this to be the case even on mons with lowered defenses.
I seriously doubt mega-pokes will be OP even if they automatically transform in battle without waiting a turn or anything. You have two opportunity costs confirmed: item use and making a different Pokemon mega instead. So for example in order to use MegaLucario, you give up on using LO and have to use regular Absol(or whatever is on the team) instead of mega.
Finally, I don't think they will be underwhelming either just because you lose an item. Megastones could very well be the only way to boost speed with an item outside of Quick Claw and Choice Scarf. You also get a different ability/typing in some cases which will carve niches out for team synergy/utility. Finally with a likely stat increase+redistribution, Megamons will probably have boosts to power that will rival item boosts and not be situational(expert belt) or have a drawback(life orb).
I also think it has been fairly consistent that evolutions get higher base HP, so I expect this to be the case even on mons with lowered defenses.
Yeah, fair point. Perhaps there already existed rumours of two new Mewtwo formes, and he was hit by confirmation bias (meaning he got to know very little, saw no text and assumed "yeah, that must be this one" before posting). Perhaps he didn't think it looked enough like Mew to be a Mew forme, instead assuming it to be a "half Mewtwo, half Mew", a failed attempt to make Mewtwo or something like that (counting as Mewtwo in the 'dex beause it would be an attempt at cloning Mew, not Mew itself). Perhaps I'm wrong, and there is two new Mewtwo formes. I can only guess.
Assuming ubers don't get megas as well.
So if mega forms don't last the entire battle, defensive megaforms will be rather silly as you can't switch a defensive mega into an attack. (Unless the attack triggers the mega before damage?)
Well, MegaLucario doesn't have the 'losing an item' issue that much as Adaptability may let it deal more damage with its STABs than as Choice Band Lucario
252+ Atk Choice Band Lucario Close Combat vs. 224 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 163-193 (49.84 - 59.02%)
252+ Atk Adaptability Lucario Close Combat vs. 224 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 146-172 (44.64 - 52.59%)
252+ Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 224 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 142-168 (43.42 - 51.37%)
Adaptability alone lets Lucario hit harder with its STABs than Life Orb, so MegaLucario will probably hit even harder than with a Choice Band
252+ Atk Adaptability Lucario Close Combat vs. 224 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 146-172 (44.64 - 52.59%)
252+ Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 224 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 142-168 (43.42 - 51.37%)
Adaptability alone lets Lucario hit harder with its STABs than Life Orb, so MegaLucario will probably hit even harder than with a Choice Band
That would be a pretty bad assumption considering we already know Mewtwo has one.
Where are you getting your info on Fairy-type. Nothing but supereffective against dragon has been confirmed
You could just go through and EV train a second team after you defeat the Elite Four
MegaTyphlosion is needed
A while back, a rumor was posted on Pokebeach that supposedly leaked a large portion of the game, including fairy-type match ups. Quite a bit of the leak turned out to be true, so now most people assume that the leak is entirely true.
His point is that, while Orotto has been technically revealed through the trailer, it hasn't been featured officially in a new Pokémon reveal yet. Hence, information on Orotto is still up in the air.
Digivolutions were also only mostly in battle, and could be switched between
Does anyone know how to pronounce Dedenne? I am currently thinking a French-ish pronunciation of "dead-on", implying that it looks like a raichu
It also looks like they are attacking right after they Mega Evolve
I spent 10 minutes trying to figure it out before I gave up.
Another confirmed Mega-voloution. Parental Bond as its new ability.
More from Serebii: "With the official Japanese site update, a small note came out regarding further clarification on the Mega Evolutions. Within this site, it details that with Mega Evolutions, you can only have one Mega Evolution Pokémon in battle. It's not known whether it's talking about all of the battle, or just within your team. ...
... It has the ability Parental Bond that allows its attacks to hit twice. "
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I doubt they will be done with cross-generational until Eevee evolves into every type
Mega Kangaskhan's ability, Parental Bond, has been stated to allow Kangaskhan to attack twice in one turn (different moves or not we don't know).
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