Ladder Balanced Hackmons

[Uselesscrab]

Water Absorb is way less common than Flash Fire. Also more PP on Scald.

PP-wise, Lava Plume would also work. But yeah, I get what you're saying about the Water Absorb-Flash Fire thing.

 

[Arhops]

Ok, so I've been reading this thread and there is no electrify lightningrod Mega Gengar. D:
So since its the best set of all time its a pretty good set that can destroy alot of things:

Some Calcs

Non-Unaware Tran: +1 252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 247-292 (63.9 - 75.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Unaware Tran: 252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Unaware Heatran: 166-196 (43 - 50.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Kyogre: +1 252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Kyogre: 225-265 (55.6 - 65.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Unaware Kyogre: 252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Kyogre: 150-177 (37.1 - 43.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Giratina:+1 252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Giratina: 458-540 (90.8 - 107.1%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

Unaware Giratina (Does this even exist?): 252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Giratina: 306-360 (60.7 - 71.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Rhydon: +1 252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Rhydon in Sand: 201-237 (48.5 - 57.2%) -- 92.6% chance to 2HKO

Unaware Rhydon (because you totally dont run sand stream on it): 252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Rhydon in Sand: 135-159 (32.6 - 38.4%) -- 98.2% chance to 3HKO

Mega Tyranitar: +1 252 SpA Mega Gengar Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Mega Tyranitar: 448-528 (110.8 - 130.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Unaware Mega Tyranitar: 252 SpA Mega Gengar Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Mega Tyranitar: 300-356 (74.2 - 88.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I decided might as well post it so here is the set:

Gengar-Mega @ Spooky Plate
Ability: Lightningrod
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Judgment
- Aura Sphere/Taunt
- Sludge Bomb
- Electrify

(above is importable).

The main problems with this set are the Refrigerate Kyurem-Bs, and Mewtwo-Mega-Y. The former just ruins Electrify and pretty much destroys you with his all mighty priority Fake-Out and Extreme Speed combo which does anywhere between 96.5% and 114.1%.

Some More Calcs

Fake Out: 252+ Atk Refrigerate Kyurem-B Fake Out vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mega Gengar: 105-124 (32.4 - 38.2%) -- 97.4% chance to 3HKO

Extreme Speed: 252+ Atk Refrigerate Kyurem-B Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mega Gengar: 208-246 (64.1 - 75.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Mewtwo just straight up 1HKO's with Psycho-Boost: 252 SpA Mega Mewtwo Y Psycho Boost vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Mega Gengar: 510-600 (157.4 - 185.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO. Also Non-Aura Sphere Gengars get walled by Mega Tyranitar.

 

[PokemonMasterDebater]

Ok, so I've been reading this thread and there is no electrify lightningrod Mega Gengar. D:
So since its the best set of all time its a pretty good set that can destroy alot of things:

Some Calcs

Non-Unaware Tran: +1 252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 247-292 (63.9 - 75.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Unaware Tran: 252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Unaware Heatran: 166-196 (43 - 50.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Kyogre: +1 252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Kyogre: 225-265 (55.6 - 65.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Unaware Kyogre: 252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Kyogre: 150-177 (37.1 - 43.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Giratina:+1 252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Giratina: 458-540 (90.8 - 107.1%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

Unaware Giratina (Does this even exist?): 252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Giratina: 306-360 (60.7 - 71.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Rhydon: +1 252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Rhydon in Sand: 201-237 (48.5 - 57.2%) -- 92.6% chance to 2HKO

Unaware Rhydon (because you totally dont run sand stream on it): 252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Rhydon in Sand: 135-159 (32.6 - 38.4%) -- 98.2% chance to 3HKO

Mega Tyranitar: +1 252 SpA Mega Gengar Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Mega Tyranitar: 448-528 (110.8 - 130.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Unaware Mega Tyranitar: 252 SpA Mega Gengar Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Mega Tyranitar: 300-356 (74.2 - 88.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I decided might as well post it so here is the set:

Gengar-Mega @ Spooky Plate
Ability: Lightningrod
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Judgment
- Aura Sphere/Taunt
- Sludge Bomb
- Electrify

(above is importable).

The main problems with this set are the Refrigerate Kyurem-Bs, and Mewtwo-Mega-Y. The former just ruins Electrify and pretty much destroys you with his all mighty priority Fake-Out and Extreme Speed combo which does anywhere between 96.5% and 114.1%.

Some More Calcs

Fake Out: 252+ Atk Refrigerate Kyurem-B Fake Out vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mega Gengar: 105-124 (32.4 - 38.2%) -- 97.4% chance to 3HKO

Extreme Speed: 252+ Atk Refrigerate Kyurem-B Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mega Gengar: 208-246 (64.1 - 75.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Mewtwo just straight up 1HKO's with Psycho-Boost: 252 SpA Mega Mewtwo Y Psycho Boost vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Mega Gengar: 510-600 (157.4 - 185.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO. Also Non-Aura Sphere Gengars get walled by Mega Tyranitar.

One thing you could do to beat Kyrem-B is use King's Shield instead of Sludge Bomb.

calcs

-2 252+ Atk Refrigerate Kyurem-B Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mega Gengar: 105-124 (32.4 - 38.2%) -- 97.4% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Spooky Plate Mega Gengar Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Kyurem-B: 204-240 (44.9 - 52.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
-2 252+ Atk Kyurem-B Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mega Gengar: 136-160 (41.9 - 49.3%) -- 84.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

After the attack drop, Kyurem-B is either 2HKO'd or forced out. If they correctly predict King's Shield and use EQ or Sacred Fire then at least you avoid Fake Out and can get a hit against it before dying.

 

[Rumors]

Electrify Gengar is beaten by anything faster, priority, Prankster status, Mold Breaker, neutral Unaware, opposing Lightning Rod/Motor Drive/Volt Absorb, and Shedinja. LR/MD/VA Yveltal in particular makes Electrify Gengar cry. It's good for the initial surprise, but after that it usually gets taken out.

Though I still say it's better than the horrifically predictable Normalize Gengar.

 

[Arhops]

Electrify Gengar is beaten by anything faster, priority, Prankster status, Mold Breaker, neutral Unaware, opposing Lightning Rod/Motor Drive/Volt Absorb, and Shedinja. LR/MD/VA Yveltal in particular makes Electrify Gengar cry. It's good for the initial surprise, but after that it usually gets taken out.

Though I still say it's better than the horrifically predictable Normalize Gengar.

You can poison Shedinja with sludge bomb and your immune to endeavor so...

 

[NickFusi0n]

Okay, since we literally know everything about Diamond Storm and Light of Ruin shouldn't those be implemented on PS? I'd personally like to give Light of Ruin a shot on something like Magic Guard Xerneas.

 

[harakirinosaru]

I fucking hate Chansey.

 

[Kit Kasai]

I fucking hate Chansey.

Try these imposter proof sets:

Gengar-Mega @ Spooky Plate
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
IVs: NaN Atk
- Tail Glow
- Judgment
- Secret Sword
- King's Shield/filler

since the chansey is probably not gonna have a plate, she wont be able to hit you with any moves. King's shield is to help against getting revenge killed by cube. This set also has the bonus of killing shedinja.

A two poke combo:

Lead with:
Mewtwo-Mega-Y @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
IVs: null Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Spore
- Psystrike
- Filler

Tyranitar-Mega @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Fur Coat/Anything really I just have fur coat for utility
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Impish Nature
- Pursuit
- Recover
- Infestation
- Sucker Punch

moldy mm2y y is a great counterlead in many situations. You can set up spore and stealth rocks on many pokes, and psystrike is a very strong attacking move. TTar completely walls this, so if you get impostered just switch into it. In my experience, people usually try to set up stealth rock or spore before switching out, so you can use knock off + pursuit for a kill on their imposter.

There's a lot more, I can post a few more if you want.

 

[Halliday]

Don't forget the amazing belly drum ho-oh for imposter proofiness

Ho-oh @ Sitrus Berry
Trait: Unburden
EVs: 252 hp / 252 Atk / 84 Def / 252 Spa / 252 Sdef / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Belly Drum
- Acrobatics
- Fusion Bolt
- Earthquake

Okay, so the idea behind this set is simple. Belly drum up, and get the unburden boost from eating sitrus. Since chansey still has an item, you're always going to outspeed them - even scarf set. Right now fusion bolt is used to kill the imposter, since it has perfect accuracy, but once diamond storm is implemented, I will run that, due to fusion bolt forcing me to run only 84 def in order to kill the imposter. Earthquake is there for general coverage, but it could easily be swapped out for something like play rough. If you start to run diamond storm, though, keep EQ or else Aegislash will wall you.

 

[asterat]

Hi I'm going to organize a mass unofficial BH tournament, PM me if you want to be in. Hopefully we can get to 32 people, no credentials required at all.

 

[Rumors]

You can poison Shedinja with sludge bomb and your immune to endeavor so...

30% chance, assuming they don't have a Lum + Recycle or Safeguard. Or don't just Baton Pass into Kyu-B or another hard counter. Or if you don't run into one of the variants with something like Shell Smash + Shadow Sneak.


I'll join the tourny depending on how timing of matches is arranged. Is it just standard BH or are there any extra rules in place?

 

[Arhops]

30% chance, assuming they don't have a Lum + Recycle or Safeguard. Or don't just Baton Pass into Kyu-B or another hard counter. Or if you don't run into one of the variants with something like Shell Smash + Shadow Sneak.

It cannot pass to a Recycle, Smash, or Pass, since there is a chance that you will be running Taunt, like how Tyranitar can be scared of Aura Sphere, it just depends on who you have to deal with first, since they will find out then. But shed can just shadow sneak you to death if you don't get double poison or single depending on the set quick enough.

252 Atk Shedinja Shadow Sneak vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mega Gengar: 96-114 (29.6 - 35.1%) -- 10.3% chance to 3HKO

Also like PokemonMasterDebater said you can just King Shield in Kyurem's face if you run a set with that too. Accually, you could King Shield in Shed's face and Sludge Bomb on set-ups.

 

[DinaIsha]

Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Bold Nature
- Substitute
- Minimize
- Ingrain
- Baton Pass

Venusaur-Mega (M) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Calm Nature
- Acupressure
- Infestation
- Leech Seed
- Substitute

This is the core of my team. I've been having good success with this combo. I used a Shuckle before just for the lolz, but Mega Venusaur is naturally immune to Spore, Toxic and Leech Seed, which is huge, and also has huge defensive capability. The process will take a while, a good while, but assures a sure victory. Ghosts would be a huge problem, of course, especially Giratina. So be sure to have something to counter them, like:

Yveltal @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Shift Gear
- Knock Off
- Drain Punch
- Infestation

If you're rather fond of setup sweeping, you can just pass the +6 Evasion to something with No Guard or Contrary. I use a No Guard Mega Mewtwo and a Moody Mega Gengar (Simple is terrifying in a few turns), both with Tail Glow.

Often you may get on the bad side of luck and maybe an Imposter copies you. So be sure to have an Unaware Heart Swap mon or Prankster Heart Swap/Topsy Turvy/Haze mon (Heart Swap is the better option) and maybe a Baton Pass on them. Something like Regigigas works well.

Here are some replays:

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/balancedhackmons-87014521

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/balancedhackmons-85388653

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/hackmons-84255726

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Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Bold Nature
- Substitute
- Minimize
- Ingrain
- Baton Pass

Regigigas @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Heart Swap
- Knock Off
- Drain Punch
- Baton Pass

Mewtwo-Mega-Y @ Focus Sash
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 HP
- Tail Glow
- Inferno
- Blizzard
- Imprison

Gengar-Mega (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Moody
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Tail Glow
- Shadow Ball
- Secret Sword
- Infestation

Yveltal @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Shift Gear
- Knock Off
- Drain Punch
- Infestation

Venusaur-Mega (M) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Calm Nature
- Acupressure
- Infestation
- Leech Seed
- Substitute

 

[Uselesscrab]

This is an (overly) elaborate anti-Imposter setup I used:

Kyurem-White @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Refrigerate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Spore
- Boomburst
- Thunderbolt
- Shell Smash

Groudon @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Soundproof
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Calm Nature
- Infestation
- Perish Song
- Recover
- Will-O-Wisp / something else useful

Basically, bring in Groudon and the Imposter can't do anything. They probably will try to either Boomburst or Spore, neither of which will work, and you use that turn to trap them with Infestation. Then you Perish Song, and just like that, their Imposter is dead.

Granted, there are some problems with this, like Groudon's issues taking any non-Boomburst special hits, and the general risk-reward nature of Soundproof Perish trapping.

A similar approach could be used by giving Kyu-W Earth Power over Thunderbolt and using a Flying type instead of Groudon. I know KIP did a similar thing with a Soundproof Drifblim with Mail and a Kyu-W with Trick.

While it's not the most reliable strategy, it often works to eliminate Imposters and is really fun to use.

 

[Rumors]

It cannot pass to a Recycle, Smash, or Pass, since there is a chance that you will be running Taunt, like how Tyranitar can be scared of Aura Sphere, it just depends on who you have to deal with first, since they will find out then. But shed can just shadow sneak you to death if you don't get double poison or single depending on the set quick enough.

252 Atk Shedinja Shadow Sneak vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mega Gengar: 96-114 (29.6 - 35.1%) -- 10.3% chance to 3HKO

Also like PokemonMasterDebater said you can just King Shield in Kyurem's face if you run a set with that too. Accually, you could King Shield in Shed's face and Sludge Bomb on set-ups.

Stuff like that can definitely work, but Electrify Gengar has some serious 4MSS, so you're not going to be able to be ready for everything that reliably checks Gengar with a single set.

Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Bold Nature
- Substitute
- Minimize
- Ingrain
- Baton Pass

Venusaur-Mega (M) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Calm Nature
- Acupressure
- Infestation
- Leech Seed
- Substitute

This is the core of my team. I've been having good success with this combo. I used a Shuckle before just for the lolz, but Mega Venusaur is naturally immune to Spore, Toxic and Leech Seed, which is huge, and also has huge defensive capability. The process will take a while, a good while, but assures a sure victory. Ghosts would be a huge problem, of course, especially Giratina. So be sure to have something to counter them, like:

Huh, never expected to see someone from Pokememes outside of Pokememes.

Anyway, out of curiosity, what's your exit strategy if someone uses Perish Song after you use Ingrain?

 

[Kit Kasai]

Stuff like that can definitely work, but Electrify Gengar has some serious 4MSS, so you're not going to be able to be ready for everything that reliably checks Gengar with a single set.






Huh, never expected to see someone from Pokememes outside of Pokememes.

Anyway, out of curiosity, what's your exit strategy if someone uses Perish Song after you use Ingrain?

he has none, but people don't carry it often. That team messed me up real bad.

 

[harakirinosaru]

Is Ingrain supposed to trap you? And why don't Sleep mechanics work correctly?

 

[Shaymin :D]

Ingrain prevents you from switching out, and how are they not working correctly, whats the problem.

 

[Kit Kasai]

What are the rules for the tourney? Single or double elim?

 

[harakirinosaru]

Ingrain prevents you from switching out, and how are they not working correctly, whats the problem.

If you put someone to sleep there's no guarantee that they won't wake up before three turns have passed.

 

[Kit Kasai]

that's how it's supposed to work. Sleep is 2-4 turns long.

 

[asterat]

This is an (overly) elaborate anti-Imposter setup I used:

Kyurem-White @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Refrigerate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Spore
- Boomburst
- Thunderbolt
- Shell Smash

Groudon @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Soundproof
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Calm Nature
- Infestation
- Perish Song
- Recover
- Will-O-Wisp / something else useful

Basically, bring in Groudon and the Imposter can't do anything. They probably will try to either Boomburst or Spore, neither of which will work, and you use that turn to trap them with Infestation. Then you Perish Song, and just like that, their Imposter is dead.

Granted, there are some problems with this, like Groudon's issues taking any non-Boomburst special hits, and the general risk-reward nature of Soundproof Perish trapping.

A similar approach could be used by giving Kyu-W Earth Power over Thunderbolt and using a Flying type instead of Groudon. I know KIP did a similar thing with a Soundproof Drifblim with Mail and a Kyu-W with Trick.

While it's not the most reliable strategy, it often works to eliminate Imposters and is really fun to use.

This concept deserves more attention but specs is much better than smash, which falls to ates and prankster shit. Specs brings excellent trick utility as well as ridiculous power (bring your AV kyogres and... Heatrans.). Aegislash? Not good enough! Also groudon is very meh imo, slap on one of gen6s stupid bst guys, or maybe diancie. If opponent wants to be retarded and trick away eviolite and also get trapped... ok

 

[DinaIsha]

Anyway, out of curiosity, what's your exit strategy if someone uses Perish Song after you use Ingrain?

You can go Magic Guard on Venusaur, but you get walled by Magic Bouncers (Especially ones that have recovery). You can only have the one or the other. It's not the perfect way to defeat every strategy in BH, just a sure and sophisticated way to make people Rage Quit.

 

[Saucier]

What do you guys think of specs regenerator mampharos?

I've been having some success with it recently. It's basically a nuke: if it switches in to something that can't kill it (i.e. not kyu-b, other things with strong super effective moves), it'll take one hit, deal a ton of damage, and then switch out. Draco meteor 1hkos gira, which is nice, although i would rather run spacial rend (the problem is that there's about a 30% chance of ko'ing gira -- i may opt for it though, since gira will likely have taken enough damage). If they switch in something like aegislash when you bring in mampharos, you trick specs and cripple one of their team members for the game.

Test Interessant (Ampharos-Mega) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Regenerator
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Bold Nature
- Volt Switch
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower //should I switch this to magma storm to hit sheds?
- Trick

 

[harakirinosaru]

Don't forget the amazing belly drum ho-oh for imposter proofiness

Ho-oh @ Sitrus Berry
Trait: Unburden
EVs: 252 hp / 252 Atk / 84 Def / 252 Spa / 252 Sdef / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Belly Drum
- Acrobatics
- Fusion Bolt
- Earthquake

Okay, so the idea behind this set is simple. Belly drum up, and get the unburden boost from eating sitrus. Since chansey still has an item, you're always going to outspeed them - even scarf set. Right now fusion bolt is used to kill the imposter, since it has perfect accuracy, but once diamond storm is implemented, I will run that, due to fusion bolt forcing me to run only 84 def in order to kill the imposter. Earthquake is there for general coverage, but it could easily be swapped out for something like play rough. If you start to run diamond storm, though, keep EQ or else Aegislash will wall you.

If you swap Ho-oh for any fighting type or Pinsir, you can run 252 defense and always kill yourself with Acrobatics, freeing up a coverage move for Shedinja.