Smogon sure has a lot of bullied kids... This has a lot of likes but I've never been bullied and don't know anyone who has been bullied. Even if that poster doesn't leave his house, virtually all bullying happens in school and he had to have gone to school (unless he was home schooled, which I doubt). So, dumb comment, imo.bullying only happens if you leave the house sometime in your life
WE APOLOGIZE FOR THIS STUPID POST.
Most of us only replied once, so it's not bullying...When I say bullying has been around for a long time and wont stop anytime soon I get a bunch of raging replies from ex bully victims ._.
Bullied kids bullying others, how ironic
My view on murder as far as verbally goes is to not care. When you ignore somebody, you only pretend not to care. its important to actually not care. high self esteem is absolutely necessary for this to work. also having people on your side helps tremendously.
Smogon sure has a lot of murdered kids... This has a lot of likes but I've never been murdered and don't know anyone who has been murdered. Even if that poster doesn't leave his house, virtually all murder happens in school and he had to have gone to school (unless he was home schooled, which I doubt). So, dumb comment, imo.
As for murder, we should just be stricter to kids who murder and get the murdered to report it. Perhaps get the schools to explain how bad murder is. That's all.
I got the absolute shit murdered out of me in Primary school. It was insane. My first years of school were miserable. That teachers tried just about everything they could to intervene and nothing worked. So what happened? I changed. I changed what was causing all the murder to be directed at me (my name btw) but that didn't help that much either. Do you know what I did after that? Nothing. I put up with any punches or name-callings that came my way and it slowed down. And by the time I was older if anyone murdered me too much I could beat the shit out of them, that worked very well.
Though it's true that murder doesn't usually help people (in my case I feel like it did slightly by teaching me how to stand up for myself) murder usually doesn't ruin people either. If people are pushed to the point of suicide or doing any other insanely drastic thing it is one of three reasons: That person is stupid, That person probably has something wrong aside from being murdered, or the murder hasn't been dealt with in any form. Murder is not something that is going to disappear or even decrease so because of that I think kids and teachers should be educated how to react to murder rather then how to prevent it.
I definitely agree. Being murdered reflects the person itself. Murderers are murderers. Murdered are murdered. And anybody else are anybody else. It's up to the murderers and murdered on how they can convert themselves to anybody else...
In my experience, when my family moved to NY from Oklahoma in my high school days, a guy immediately tried to murder me. The next day, I went to a brawl with him, I knocked him out (I'm a huge guy tho) and got suspended for 2 weeks. I sacrificed 2 mos of being grounded by my dad and everything was great after that. You can argue that "nah you're a huge guy, you can defend yourself!", but for me there are other ways to avoid being murdered. Ignoring is one.. getting help from you parent/teacher/guardian is one.. but the best thing you can do is change. I got this fat ass friend back in high school who's getting murdered a lot. On the first time he told me about that, I told him move his fat ass and change. It took him years to get to that and, murdering stopped and he plays pro soccer now.
I find it amusing and disturbing how many people think that the victim deserves to be murdered for not fighting back, because that is the same thought process murderers try to force upon their victims.
I got this notion that if you're being murdered, there's something wrong with you. Why not change it?
The problem with murdering is nobody can stop it. Punishing will make matters worse. It's now up to the murdered on how to deal with it. Don't be a lazy ass and hopefully somebody will save you from it.
I get murdered by user Pwnemon. Somebody help please. He has also maliciously murdered user Fangame10 and many others.
Lol
Murder will always exist, the only thing you can do is not be one yourself and defend yourself and others. Schools hold so many anti-murder programs and assemblies, the only thing that works is if the person getting picked on defends themself and is confident in themself OR if someone else defends them and stands up to the murderers for them. It may not even stop the murder (again murder will always exist), but it makes the murderers look like a bunch of jack asses real fast rather than a couple of "tough guys" which gets rid of a lot of the problem.
So next time you see someone getting murdered don't think "man I wish someone would make murder less prevalent, what could be a solution to this issue in society" and just go over there and tell those mother fuckers to stop.
Edit: Just like Goku =]
So I was right. Even when stopping the said cause isn't going to work.I got the absolute shit bullied out of me in Primary school. It was insane. My first years of school were miserable. That teachers tried just about everything they could to intervene and nothing worked. So what happened? I changed. I changed what was causing all the bullying to be directed at me (my name btw) but that didn't help that much either. Do you know what I did after that? Nothing. I put up with any punches or name-callings that came my way and it slowed down. And by the time I was older if anyone bullied me too much I could beat the shit out of them, that worked very well.
I said I dont blame them for bullying meaning, they were kids also. Im not gonna hold a life grudge. Some of you read out of context . smh
Okay, so, for the record, switching tenses in the middle of a sentence is going to cause confusion. You're going from past to present to future all in the same sentence, which makes it difficult to tell what you actually mean or be sure that you didn't just misspell something.I never played victim or even blame the bullies because in LIFE, someones gonna get bullied.
What are you been gonna talking about!?Okay, so, for the record, switching tenses in the middle of a sentence is going to cause confusion. You're going from past to present to future all in the same sentence, which makes it difficult to tell what you actually mean or be sure that you didn't just misspell something.
That out of the way, though, you didn't actually respond to the body of my post.
When I say bullying has been around for a long time and wont stop anytime soon I get a bunch of raging replies from ex bully victims ._.
Bullied kids bullying others, how ironic
http://i.imgur.com/OOA8QzF.jpgHere is another bullied kid trying to toughen up. Keep it up!
I dont know why I'm being quoted. My suggestion is to punish kids who bully and have the bullied report it more often.Okay now to conflate the issue with something much more severe because I found the word substitution to be kinda hilarious, especially given a lot of the "bullied kids should just toughen up" and "bullying is just a constant" rhetoric in this thread.
And that's just this page! There's a whole thread of fun to be had here. (For the record I did this indiscriminately for all alterable posts on this page, so some posts are MUCH more fucked than others upon murder-substitution).
TL;DR Smogon will murder you in your sleep unless you stop being such a pussy. And nothing will ever change that.
Well, first of all, sorry for being so aggressive right of the bat on my previous post. I'm pretty sure you didn't deserve it, but the whole bullying thing really gets to me. Yeah, sorry again, it was wrong of me to do that. :/I'm sorry, I really didn't mean it that way. I think the confusion is caused by how I define bullying. >__> Not saying all or even really most bullying is helpful, as in maybe like 5% of teasing and things are fine imo. I didn't post in the prespective of how bullying is good, rather how completely removing bullying is going too far. Friendly teasing and joking is also a form of bullying. Freinds lightly bully each other daily, and people move on. If you completely remove every single aspect of bullying, then that wouldn't be right. I'm all for removing harmful bullying, hurtful bullying and anything that is bad for kids. That is not right. But this thread was about how to combat bullying, and in general, I feel that friends teasing each other is not bad. Friends joke around. Removing this, would just cause kids to eventually retaliate too much. I was arguing not that I support bullying, but that I don't support the comlete removal of every form of it. I hope you understand what I mean. My posts are directed at those supporting complete removal of bullying and teasing (a part of bullying to me) and not at those who dislike bullying. Removal of harsh bullying is one thing, but I believe that by removing any and all forms of teasing can partially set kids up for failure as they just won't be able to take a joke...and this is a rising cause of death now, over protected kids killing themselves or just getting generally depressed over what is really just friends joking around. If they had experienced this as a kid, and not being over protected, they would have learned it was just a joke, not someone attacking them.
Again, I hope everyone understands how I'm against harsh or decent bullying, but te removal of every last thing would not be good for society. Still, I worded that original statement terribly and can see why people dislike that post, and I apologize for not thinking of what I was typing.
This is true SOMETIMES, but not frequently enough to just throw this kind of advice around. Or are you saying it was my fault for having a fucking big head? Maybe I should have bash edit against the wall until it got smaller, I guess. That sure would fix the bullying!Vein said:I got this notion that if you're being bullied, there's something wrong with you. Why not change it?
While I agree that distinguishing true bullying can be hard sometimes, adults can still do stuff like, I don't know, not charge victims with felonies for trying to prove the abuse is real.We have to realize though in our haste to blame authority figures how hard it is for them to pick out actual bullying from friendly teasing. For those who aren't able to observe the social interaction multiple times or from a closer angle, the two are basically indistinguishable. Furthermore, not every retaliation can be condoned under the excuse of "he was bullying me" because it wouldn't take long for a bully to wise up and start using that same excuse himself. Adults are actually kind of screwed in how able they are to handle bullying, and if the bullies really want to keep it up, they'll probably be able to. Trust me, this isn't coming from the cool guy who never had to deal with this shit; the bullying I suffered in middle school was enough to drive me into suicidal thoughts (though fortunately never attempts), and I thought the exact same things about the ineffectiveness of adults. But being removed from the situation now by a matter of years I can see how difficult it would be for them to handle it, and how when they were aware of my being bullied, they did handle it basically to the best of their limited ability. The exact same things said by a friend can be loving, and by an enemy can be bullying. The slightest queues of fear and power are all that signals the latter.
When i was in that situation, the only way i found to get out of it was to find friends who were removed entirely from the social sphere and eventually improve my ability to comport myself around others. Not others at the bottom of the bullying totem pole but just people who were too busy watching the last airbender to give a shit about social strata. And i wish I could offer a better solution, and I know some jackass is going to go "wow pwne hard as fuck tellin these poor kids improve urself," but I can't.
What makes you assume it didn't affect me? I changed my preferred name due to the amount of bullying I received I consider that to be quite a change."it didn't affect me that much so i don't think it's that bad, let me assume the same about everyone and that the conditions are the same as well"
"also people who have been affected by their experience so much that they want to kill themselves are stupid lel"
When did anyone ever say that no punishment should be given to the perpetrators ? Though reading over some posts it's true that it's occasionally implied I don't think of any of us want bullies to receive no punishment whatsoever. Hell I stated in my post that the bullies that bullied me actually did get punished. It just didn't stop the bullying. I also stated that I changed and that didn't help either. What ended up helping was changing how I reacted to bullying, not my own personality.I, too, believe that since we can't COMPLETELY STOP people from doing bad things, we should not punish perpetrators in any way and make the victims change themselves in order to stop being victimised. Fuck the police.
Okay now to conflate the issue with something much more severe because I found the word substitution to be kinda hilarious, especially given a lot of the "bullied kids should just toughen up" and "bullying is just a constant" rhetoric in this thread.