Also...
I am surprised I haven't yet seen a Drizzle Wailord. I mean, put specs on that thing and spam Water Spout. gg.
I am surprised I haven't yet seen a Drizzle Wailord. I mean, put specs on that thing and spam Water Spout. gg.
I've been using STRONG PONYedit Jaguar360 interesting set but just wondering what does Dark Pulse hit?
Wailord is far too slow to use Specs Water Spout and there are better options for Drizzle Pokemon, for example Greninja or Keldeo. Even if they are slightly less powerful they hit hard and fast enough to make up for it.
Also don't get the hype for Pansage, it sounds a lot like a waste and only to be used for fun teams. After all it's stopped cold by status or Taunt Pokemon (Taunt Pansage risks getting hit by an attack), priority Pokemon, Weavile, Magic Bounce / Guard Pokemon, and all Grass-types. I'd much rather use a Pokemon that helps my team cover up other threats than some Leech Seed staller that can't actually stall very effectively.
Also, even if I were to use Pansage, it should probably run max Speed to beat opposing Pansage's Taunt. In addition, TeamSpaceBird's set uses Nature Power, but what's the point?
ok let's make this post more useful and talk about more threats
Weavile @ Life Orb
Trait: Refridgerate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Quick Attack
- Frustration
- Knock Off
Return can also be used but I like messing with Ditto :)
This guy has been the MVP for many of my matches, and I'm surprised nobody talked about it (bar Oi's mention of it after Kyub's ban). Fake Out + Quick Attack is a potent revenge killing combo and with Refridgerate boosts they actually do quite a number. Frustration is (very) powerful STAB and Knock Off is Knock Off, preventing stuff like Metagross or Cresselia from dumping on you (you'll need to hit the former on the switch tho). Ice + Dark forms pretty good coverage together, both being fantastic offensive types, and Weavile's power makes up for whatever it misses out on (eg. Frustration 2HKOes Bisharp iirc). Fake Out + Quick Attack as Ice-type moves keep so many things in check; it prevents Landorus-T, Dragonite, Thundurus-T and Noivern from sweeping you freely, as well as picking off threats from slightly more than half HP. The fact that Fake Out is basically free damage means we've essentially got a base 104 power Ice-type priority move without factoring STAB, and if you think about it it's scary as hell. Now add on to the fact that Weavile's two other moves are extremely spammable; Frustration will wreck anything that doesn't resist it with base 132 power before STAB, while nothing wants to switch into a powerful Knock Off and have their item removed. Ladies and gentlemen, we've got a monster.
Of course, there are checks to this thing. Keldeo is probably a safe bet as it resists both STAB moves and isn't too difficult to fit in. Metagross can switch into anything but Knock Off and Bullet Punch Weavile to death, ditto for bulky Scizor, and they both can recover the damage from multiple Frustrations. idk what else tbh, my teams rely a lot on checking it and not hard countering it, ie. Steel-types or just revenge killers.
How do you guys deal with Weavile?
Oh, Dark Pulse is just something that's moderately spammable for it, but it can probably be replaced by Earth Power or U-turn.edit Jaguar360 interesting set but just wondering what does Dark Pulse hit?
Wailord is far too slow to use Specs Water Spout and there are better options for Drizzle Pokemon, for example Greninja or Keldeo. Even if they are slightly less powerful they hit hard and fast enough to make up for it.
Also don't get the hype for Pansage, it sounds a lot like a waste and only to be used for fun teams. After all it's stopped cold by status or Taunt Pokemon (Taunt Pansage risks getting hit by an attack), priority Pokemon, Weavile, Magic Bounce / Guard Pokemon, and all Grass-types. I'd much rather use a Pokemon that helps my team cover up other threats than some Leech Seed staller that can't actually stall very effectively.
Also, even if I were to use Pansage, it should probably run max Speed to beat opposing Pansage's Taunt. In addition, TeamSpaceBird's set uses Nature Power, but what's the point?
ok let's make this post more useful and talk about more threats
Weavile @ Life Orb
Trait: Refridgerate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Quick Attack
- Frustration
- Knock Off
Return can also be used but I like messing with Ditto :)
This guy has been the MVP for many of my matches, and I'm surprised nobody talked about it (bar Oi's mention of it after Kyub's ban). Fake Out + Quick Attack is a potent revenge killing combo and with Refridgerate boosts they actually do quite a number. Frustration is (very) powerful STAB and Knock Off is Knock Off, preventing stuff like Metagross or Cresselia from dumping on you (you'll need to hit the former on the switch tho). Ice + Dark forms pretty good coverage together, both being fantastic offensive types, and Weavile's power makes up for whatever it misses out on (eg. Frustration 2HKOes Bisharp iirc). Fake Out + Quick Attack as Ice-type moves keep so many things in check; it prevents Landorus-T, Dragonite, Thundurus-T and Noivern from sweeping you freely, as well as picking off threats from slightly more than half HP. The fact that Fake Out is basically free damage means we've essentially got a base 104 power Ice-type priority move without factoring STAB, and if you think about it it's scary as hell. Now add on to the fact that Weavile's two other moves are extremely spammable; Frustration will wreck anything that doesn't resist it with base 132 power before STAB, while nothing wants to switch into a powerful Knock Off and have their item removed. Ladies and gentlemen, we've got a monster.
Of course, there are checks to this thing. Keldeo is probably a safe bet as it resists both STAB moves and isn't too difficult to fit in. Metagross can switch into anything but Knock Off and Bullet Punch Weavile to death, ditto for bulky Scizor, and they both can recover the damage from multiple Frustrations. idk what else tbh, my teams rely a lot on checking it and not hard countering it, ie. Steel-types or just revenge killers.
How do you guys deal with Weavile?
Yeah, Megas keep their old abilities. :/ On the bright side, abilites like Download, Intimidate, weather inducing abilities and Prankster work really well on Pokemon with Megas, so that's something.How do you get Megas? Say I want an Ampharos to have Levitate, whenever it Mega Evolves it will say "Mega Ampharos breaks the mold". Is this a bug or can Megas not work that way?
The Regirock set I posted is an amazing counter to it, Rock Slide OHKO's and it takes hits like a champ:edit Jaguar360 interesting set but just wondering what does Dark Pulse hit?
Wailord is far too slow to use Specs Water Spout and there are better options for Drizzle Pokemon, for example Greninja or Keldeo. Even if they are slightly less powerful they hit hard and fast enough to make up for it.
Also don't get the hype for Pansage, it sounds a lot like a waste and only to be used for fun teams. After all it's stopped cold by status or Taunt Pokemon (Taunt Pansage risks getting hit by an attack), priority Pokemon, Weavile, Magic Bounce / Guard Pokemon, and all Grass-types. I'd much rather use a Pokemon that helps my team cover up other threats than some Leech Seed staller that can't actually stall very effectively.
Also, even if I were to use Pansage, it should probably run max Speed to beat opposing Pansage's Taunt. In addition, TeamSpaceBird's set uses Nature Power, but what's the point?
ok let's make this post more useful and talk about more threats
Weavile @ Life Orb
Trait: Refridgerate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Quick Attack
- Frustration
- Knock Off
Return can also be used but I like messing with Ditto :)
This guy has been the MVP for many of my matches, and I'm surprised nobody talked about it (bar Oi's mention of it after Kyub's ban). Fake Out + Quick Attack is a potent revenge killing combo and with Refridgerate boosts they actually do quite a number. Frustration is (very) powerful STAB and Knock Off is Knock Off, preventing stuff like Metagross or Cresselia from dumping on you (you'll need to hit the former on the switch tho). Ice + Dark forms pretty good coverage together, both being fantastic offensive types, and Weavile's power makes up for whatever it misses out on (eg. Frustration 2HKOes Bisharp iirc). Fake Out + Quick Attack as Ice-type moves keep so many things in check; it prevents Landorus-T, Dragonite, Thundurus-T and Noivern from sweeping you freely, as well as picking off threats from slightly more than half HP. The fact that Fake Out is basically free damage means we've essentially got a base 104 power Ice-type priority move without factoring STAB, and if you think about it it's scary as hell. Now add on to the fact that Weavile's two other moves are extremely spammable; Frustration will wreck anything that doesn't resist it with base 132 power before STAB, while nothing wants to switch into a powerful Knock Off and have their item removed. Ladies and gentlemen, we've got a monster.
Of course, there are checks to this thing. Keldeo is probably a safe bet as it resists both STAB moves and isn't too difficult to fit in. Metagross can switch into anything but Knock Off and Bullet Punch Weavile to death, ditto for bulky Scizor, and they both can recover the damage from multiple Frustrations. idk what else tbh, my teams rely a lot on checking it and not hard countering it, ie. Steel-types or just revenge killers.
How do you guys deal with Weavile?
Yeah, I'm gonna stick to my Specs Adaptability Keldeo:I've been using STRONG PONY
Keldeo @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate / Sticky Hold
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Secret Sword
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Hydro Pump
- Surf
252 Atk Life Orb Refrigerate Weavile Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 146-172 (45.2 - 53.2%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
-1 252 Atk Life Orb Refrigerate Weavile Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 97-114 (30 - 35.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
-1 252 Atk Victini Bolt Strike vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 172-204 (53.2 - 63.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
#POTENTPONY
This has been rlly fun to use so far. Intimidate ensures it can pivot into scarf tini and outscarf it. I've been using this also as a pivot into the cold hearted FRIDGEMONS. So basically Sticky Hold insures that Knock Off weavile doesn't beat me because non scarf keld gets outspeed by standard Weavile, so it's an option in order to have more consistency but it loses it's switch in chances. Both of them win against standard Weavile however. This is also a neat set that beats Flash Fire Scizors/Ferros. HP Ice just revenges a lot of cool stuff. I have another pony set I will post l8r
don't use modest. You need to outrun offensive protean Mew and other threats. More calcs disproving it's worthGive Zapdos Magic Guard and it suddenly becomes a more reliable Defogger, although it's still setup fodder for fellow Specially Defensive Pokémon if it's not running Roar or Volt Switch.
Yeah, I'm gonna stick to my Specs Adaptability Keldeo:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 200-236 (49.5 - 58.4%) -- 64.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 212-250 (50 - 58.9%) -- 75% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Keldeo Scald vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mew: 206-244 (50.9 - 60.3%) -- 89.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Keldeo Scald vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Deoxys-D: 146-174 (48 - 57.2%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO
The brute force (that Unaware does nothing to stop) of Keldeo attracts me more than its ability to take hits, but nonetheless I do think Intimidate is a possibility on it.
To be fair, all these calcs are against Latias, which I know already is a solid check to Keldeo. I'd immediately switch right out seeing this thing and go to something else, like a strong Teravolt Pursuit trapper. Also, Protean Keldeo doesn't suit as well as Adaptability does because Keldeo's main offensive attacks are its hard-hitting STAB moves.don't use modest. You need to outrun offensive protean Mew and other threats. More calcs disproving it's worth
252 SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 80 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 143-169 (44.5 - 52.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 143-169 (39.2 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Latias: 71-84 (19.5 - 23%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
HOWEVER
252 SpA Choice Specs Protean Keldeo Icy Wind vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 216-254 (71.5 - 84.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Protean Keldeo Icy Wind vs. 80 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 216-254 (67.2 - 79.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Protean Keldeo Icy Wind vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 216-254 (59.3 - 69.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Protean Keldeo Icy Wind vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Latias: 108-127 (29.6 - 34.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
EH-HEH-HEM...Also don't get the hype for Pansage, it sounds a lot like a waste and only to be used for fun teams. After all it's stopped cold by status or Taunt Pokemon (Taunt Pansage risks getting hit by an attack), priority Pokemon, Weavile, Magic Bounce / Guard Pokemon, and all Grass-types. I'd much rather use a Pokemon that helps my team cover up other threats than some Leech Seed staller that can't actually stall very effectively.
Lvl 2 pansage is destroyer of worlds. Endeavor + leech seed + recycle checks anything without priority or multihitEH-HEH-HEM...
You just don't understand. I have used this thing to take down a Download Infernape, Aerilate Noivern, and an Aerilate D-Nite. With proper timing, you can take any setup sweeper down with this thing. Yes, I do realize that stalbreakers ruin it, so why send it out against one?
Or hazards. Or sandstorm. Or hail. Or status and a damaging move. Or knock off.Lvl 2 pansage is destroyer of worlds. Endeavor + leech seed + recycle checks anything without priority or multihit
Or substitute.Or hazards. Or sandstorm. Or hail. Or status and a damaging move. Or knock off.
EDIT: Or Trick/Switcheroo. Or grass types with rough skin/iron barbs.
Thank You!Lvl 2 pansage is destroyer of worlds. Endeavor + leech seed + recycle checks anything without priority or multihit
I am currently running an Intimidate Gardevoir set that does really well vs weavile and other -ate mons.How do you guys deal with Weavile?
Wouldn't you want Hyper Voice since Gardevoir keeps Pixilate upon Mega Evolving?I am currently running an Intimidate Gardevoir set that does really well vs weavile and other -ate mons.
Gardevoir (F) @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SDef / 252 Def
Modest Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Moonblast
- Wish
Intimidate is so it can survive a hit on the switch in. It also helps reduce most damage to just a little scratch. The EVs are so it can survive even more physical attacks. Fairy/Ghost/Electric coverage allows her to hit everything neutrally or super effectively. Wish is for you can predict your opponent switching out or if the damage their dealing to you is crap and you just want to heal it off.
The problem is that then, you can't use Intimidate multiple times, and lack a Fairy STAB while not mega evolved.Wouldn't you want Hyper Voice since Gardevoir keeps Pixilate upon Mega Evolving?