Why hello there.
I do not think my logic was shitty but let me explain please why; what I was asking for was why not ban the move Sticky Web on Shuckle instead of banning Shuckle itself from RU.
I will gladly explain, I wrote my first post while I was taking a dump at work, so I was unable to elaborate at the time.
Everybody or nearly everybody agrees that without Sticky Web Shuckle would not be broken at all and taking away a move is probably easier and more concrete than for instance reducing Shuckle's base stats' to lower its effectiveness. So I was just asking why not have the combination ban I suggested because that would have a very similar effect (no more Sticky Web Shuckle abusing in RU) while having the additional benefit of giving NU another Pokemon to play with?
Well first things first, if Shuckle were to be NU with out Sticky Web, it would never be used by any competent player, so we would basically be giving them nothing. As stated by TRC, this type of complex ban is not in line with Smogon's tiering philosophy, which aims to make the simplest ban possible while removing the broken shit (ie. a Pokemon like Froslass, or a move, like Swagger). In this case, Shuckle is broken with Sticky Web, Shuckle has Sticky Web in its movepool, QED Shuckle is broken. If we start doing this type of tiering, should we be freeing Froslass without spikes? Which is probably actually viable in NU, and is not broken in RU, and hey why not Physical Kyogre in OU? Or Deo-D in BW OU w/o spikes, that definitely wasn't broken, and I enjoy using Nasty Plot Deo-D on my troll teams, why not free that, and Blaze Blaziken, and so on and so forth. Tiers just get to be really complicated if you start saying you can use X without Y, and Z without Q, which is why Smogon Policy is against complex bans. Where would you draw the line with this type of banning? To me this idea seems very poorly developed, and would cause way to many issues, just to let more people play with their favorites.
I understand because I am an extraordinarily competent Pokemon player,
Never said you weren't competent, I know you are a competent player.
probably even more competent than you to be perfectly honest,
lol, if you say so
that Shuckle will not be too useful in NU but my idea is letting more Pokemon in a tier is a good thing as long as the Pokemon are not "broken". Certainly Shuckle without Sticky Web isn't going to be broken in NU so why not just let him go there?
see first paragraph
If the main reason to not use the idea I just suggested is something along the lines of "we really do not care about NU" then that is fine I guess but still I do not see the harm in the Shuckle Sticky Web ban combination.
The person that said that was obviously joking.
Well I find it unfortunate that none of you bother to question exactly what tiering is or just exactly how insignificant the community is to the entire tiering process but I do like the honest answers you gave me thanks. I apologize for bringing up my opinion on second thought this thread isn't really the place for that.
God, don't be such a martyr.
If you make a pretentious post that fundamentally misses the point of Smogon's tiering, you are probably going to get some people that disagree with you responding to your post.