You forgot the dragon typing.
252 SpA Pidgeot Hidden Power Grass vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 128-152 (42.1 - 50%) -- 28.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
pretty neat but you better bring a greninja check
okay so this is a core i really like and i have to say it's very solid! as i stated in some off my earlier posts i thought dugtrio might become a decent ou pokemon once again, which it hasn't been since the bw era (sun teams and hurricane + trap) this core is very similar to how bw2 torn-t + duggy worked and it's still good. so because pidgeot + duggy is very weak to rocks and keldeo, having a good defoger + a nice answer to keldeo in one pokemon made latios a great choice, ofc both latis can work here. utilizing u-turn + arena trap WILL let u trap the pokemon u want eventually as the opposing player has to predict every time, this puts a lot off pressure on ur opponent and can easely been taken advantage off as they will often overpredict. i also run hp grass on pidgeot because it beats rotom-w the last check to pidgeot since duggy beats everything else lol, hp grass 2hko's after two rounds off rocks or 1 hp grass + two hurricanes or however u want to kill it. i have to say im surprised how well this core actually worked in the current meta, but i guess trapping is one off the best playstyles in oras atm. im gonna put a replay for this core as well.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/orasou-178402766
Pidgeot @ Pidgeotite
Ability: Keen Eye
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Heat Wave
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- U-turn
Dugtrio @ Focus Sash
Ability: Arena Trap
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 21 HP
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Reversal
- Toxic
Latios (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Defog
- Recover
no one runs twave rotom-w also the physicly defensive rotom-w doesn't check m-pidgeot well at all as your calc cleanly shows. also the specially defensive rotom flat out loses to latios. hp grass is chosen because i like having my pidgeot being able to beats shit like rotom, ofc roost and other moves can work over hp grass, but hp grass is more than viable shwoing how rotom-w pretty much is the most used pokemon atm.
dude I posted this like a week ago .-.+
this core is one off the most threatening cores around atm, pursuit trapper megagross + cm keldeo is extremely strong and incredibly hard stop and is easely backed up with something like spikestacking and something to check thundurus. i can easely see this core become very popular when oras comes out as it easely fits into balanced and bulky offense teams which is by far the best playstyles atm, as ho tends to struggle against the new megas. theres not much more to say about this core than that metagross removes keldeo's checks and counters (latitwins, venusaur, amoonguss etc.) which lets keldeo setup and sweep with ease as it sets up on a lot pokemon in the ou metagame because how well it forces switches while also sporting a great typing from both spectrums.
Metagross @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Zen Headbutt
- Earthquake
- Pursuit
Keldeo @ Leftovers
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Secret Sword
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Calm Mind
Out of sheer Boredom I decided to post That Keldgross core I mentioned earlier.
Keldeo @ Leftovers
Ability: lolJustified
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Scald
- Secret Sword
(PRETEND THIS IS MEGA)
Metagross @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body --> Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake / Pursuit
- Ice Punch
- Zen Headbutt
So these two guys compliment each other almost perfectly. Sub CM Keldeo is actually really underrated right now, and the great thing is that he can set up on almost all of Metagross's Checks / counters. Skarm, Mandibuzz, Mega Sableye, Mega Scizor, and Bisharp all lose to Keldeo easily, allowing the Pony to get up a free sub and potentially start setting up for a sweep. Of course, those things that wall Keldeo like the Latis, Venu / Amoonguss, and any fairy type bar azu are shredded apart by Megagross, which allows them to form a devastating offensive core. Specs is an option for Keldeo if setting up isnt your thing, but being choice locked may not be very ideal. idk. Personal preference.
Anyways, theres bound to be mons that give this core trouble, and those mons include the likes of Talonflame, Azumarill, Mega Sceptile, and Greninja (sometimes. Keldeo doesnt gaf if Ninja lacks Exrasensory / GK). Rotom-W makes an excellent teammate, as he handles all the aforementioned threat bar Sceptile, which can be handled by numerous other things such as Talonflame. Of course, no matter what you do, Megatablemence shreks this core, but it shreks everything so it doesnt matter. Try this core out. Its good.
how could i know that? i havent been going through all 90 sites on this thread... also ice punch is inferior too basically everything else on that gross set
you forgot that M-Lopunny gets STAB on HJK, it alomost OHKOs standard Ferro, OHKO's even max HP Heatran, terrak, and Mamo from full health.
Have fun breaking through the likes of Chomp, Mence, Lando (T/I), Lati@s (esp HP Fire Variants), & DNite. I mean, what else are you gonna run aside from like Hammer Arm? Ice Punch is most definitely his best coverage move.
u don't need ice punch when it's paried with cm keldeo lol, and mash + rocks beats dnite anyway i just don't agree with u
You're missing the point; it's still one EXTREMELY niche move that doesn't even hit much for good damage at all; there's no reason for you to stay in against rotom when you could preserve your Pidgeot and have better moves that don't just fit one specific purpose, especially when you have Latios and other team members to easily take care of it. Just seems like you're overpreparing for something that's not even S-rank at that point
you don't get what im saying? i like having hp grass there because I prefere it, i don't get why you are coming here telling me whats good or not good when all off these options are more than viable. just accept that, instead off making an unnessecary discussion on these forums trying to convince me by telling me obvious shit i already know
Rotom-W is very heavily used, and will be one of the two most common switch-ins to Mega Pidgeot, the other being Heatran. It's perfectly acceptable to want to hit Rotom on the switch before switching to Latios or whatever else you have for it. Really Pidgeot only needs to run Hurricane and Heat Wave, so you can run whatever you want in the last two slots. I would run HP Ground for Tran personally, but Bluwing usually has a pretty good idea what he is doing.
Dude its cuz Magnezone traps steels. Mence has EQ and Fire Blast to wreck steels, but its worth a teamslot to save a moveslot(s) on mega Mence. If you still have problems, don't worry, you got Goth and Dugtrio to slap on as well. Mix in a defogger cuz worth a teamslot to save 25% of mega Mence's HP and now the result you get is a suspect test.
Nah man use a Dugtrio. Switch Skarm out with the shed shell to Duggy on the thunderbolt and bop your opponent's magnezone is trapped.
My bad, i forgot that. Well, the set is more effective now. =P Thanks for pointing that out.
I agree with you. I'm teambuilding right now around the set I posted and it's easier than i'd imagined. Dat bird spam weakness, though. =/ I just want Lopunny to learn freaking swords dance already.
Unfortunately that's really the only thing going for it, unless you try and use it as an offensive spiker which it's VERY outclassed at unless it has Explosion for that one little niche.
