Completely agree with Cryogonal. It seems a lot of mons suffer in this meta...
anyway, thought I'd join back in...
Mantine B ----> B-/C+
Not sure if anyone mentioned Mantine but unfortunately this thing keeps continuing to suffer. If you want a bulky water typed defogger your best answer is Pelipper who can Pivot out of bad situations, reliable fighting switch in and recovery. This thing is hindered by the current meta which resolves around Lanturn (it's biggest problem)and other threats like Banded Sneasels, it's unable to touch it what so ever. Offensive Mantines are only able to get a lousy 4HKO with LO Hidden Power against pesky Lanturn. Don't get me wrong it's still a decent mon with some cool stuff to offer like Haze for those aids smash pass teams and other boosters but Mantine isn't the way to go at this moment. xd
Swanna B- ----> C+/C
This metagame isn't a nice place for Swanna either. And it's not the defogger it use to be. 98 base speed is good but it's left outspeed by a lot of other offensive mons whom can easily KO swanna due to it's mediocre bulk meaning it gets fewer chances to defog/attack it's even Pursuit bait for Banded Sneasel. It's also unable to abuse it's fantastic offensive stab combination because again Lanturn is extremely common and laughs at whatever it tries to do. It's a shame that it's really restricted on it's moveslots so there isn't room for much else.
Ariados D ----> Unranked
Can we drop this thing while were at it? Literally the worst sticky webs user. The ever so common Xatu makes easy work of this thing and there's not to mention Sticky Webs has never been that effective. Toxic spikes is the only thing that makes it different from the other web users and it really isn't that much of a niche. Base 40 speed is so bad leaving outspeed by common threats and it's usually only able to get 1 turn off before it dies. Also Kabutops and other spinners are pretty easy to throw on teams which which just cancel out it's little input.
anyway, thought I'd join back in...
Not sure if anyone mentioned Mantine but unfortunately this thing keeps continuing to suffer. If you want a bulky water typed defogger your best answer is Pelipper who can Pivot out of bad situations, reliable fighting switch in and recovery. This thing is hindered by the current meta which resolves around Lanturn (it's biggest problem)and other threats like Banded Sneasels, it's unable to touch it what so ever. Offensive Mantines are only able to get a lousy 4HKO with LO Hidden Power against pesky Lanturn. Don't get me wrong it's still a decent mon with some cool stuff to offer like Haze for those aids smash pass teams and other boosters but Mantine isn't the way to go at this moment. xd
This metagame isn't a nice place for Swanna either. And it's not the defogger it use to be. 98 base speed is good but it's left outspeed by a lot of other offensive mons whom can easily KO swanna due to it's mediocre bulk meaning it gets fewer chances to defog/attack it's even Pursuit bait for Banded Sneasel. It's also unable to abuse it's fantastic offensive stab combination because again Lanturn is extremely common and laughs at whatever it tries to do. It's a shame that it's really restricted on it's moveslots so there isn't room for much else.
Can we drop this thing while were at it? Literally the worst sticky webs user. The ever so common Xatu makes easy work of this thing and there's not to mention Sticky Webs has never been that effective. Toxic spikes is the only thing that makes it different from the other web users and it really isn't that much of a niche. Base 40 speed is so bad leaving outspeed by common threats and it's usually only able to get 1 turn off before it dies. Also Kabutops and other spinners are pretty easy to throw on teams which which just cancel out it's little input.