http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/metagame-discussion-thread-v3.3600661/ take it here if you want famMaybe I'm in the wrong place, but has there been any talks about Mega Pidgeot and it's niche and role in the OU meta?
You are also more than welcome to talk about Pidgeot in OU here as well.Maybe I'm in the wrong place, but has there been any talks about Mega Pidgeot and it's niche and role in the OU meta?
Sadly many players are very adamant about tornadus being better than mega pidgeot. While hurricane can't miss for it, pidgeot still does take that Mega slot. Main build for it is usually the work up wallbreaking build that it has over tornadus.Maybe I'm in the wrong place, but has there been any talks about Mega Pidgeot and it's niche and role in the OU meta?
I don't think so...Mega Diancie, with the Megas buff, can run Rock/Fairy/Fire/Ground coverage, wich is awesome. Plus the same speed tier of Mega Metagross and a passable bulk. The Diamond Storm buff will help it a lot too, now that it gets a +2 in Defense 50% of the time.Nothing's going to outclass Mega Metagross, as nothing really does what it does better, or even quite as well.
when I said about a possible impact on Mega Metagross viability, I was talking about the ranks (Metagross was A- in ORAS, while Lopunny, Medicham and Diancie was A+, followed by Heracross in A). I know that the fact that it can come in Tapu Lele's face almost freely is a huge thing l, but I also think that it can drop from the S rank with those new Megas.Nothing even outclassed Metagross in ORAS so I don't know where this assumption is coming from.
Priority+STAB is a great thing for Mega Lopunny, just like with Mega Medicham (without STAB, of course). Chip damage against frail things is nice.The new mega evolution mechanics would also mean it could have that epic Speed right from turn one, so Fake Out wouldn't be as necessary, although it would likely still be a good option for it.
I wish that AT LEAST they give us the Mega Stone for Heracross, taking into account that Mega Pidgeot and Mega Steelix follow a numeral order in the Pokédex. If my logic is correct, the next Mega Stones should be for Ampharos and Heracross. Let's see what is the surprise in the first friday of May (yeah, every first friday of the month they give us some Mega Stones).So are they set to be released some time soon? Mega Lop, Hera, and Diancie? Just wondering.
Oh, and I also think that Mega Gardevoir is a bit superior than Lele :p
Of course Modest Specs Lele hits harder than Gard, but with this you loose the speed tier of it (while 95 isn't that good, it's passable) and will be restricted to use only one move. Gardevoir have a better speed tier and some "counter moves", like WoW for Mega Meta and Scizor, plus having a similar bulk (more than Lele in Sp.Def). And if you don't want to use this kind of moves, Gardevoir has Thunderbolt and Shadow Ball, just like Lele.Mega Gardevoir is probably going to be 100% dead when it comes out since Specs Tapu Lele's Moonblast hits harder then Mega Gardevior's Hyper Voice, and so does Lele's psychic. Tapu Lele is just Tapu lele, it doesn't take up a mega slot for something that can't hit as hard, it doesn't only run one set, it can actually hold an item, and doesn't even go down to priority moves, so I don't know how Mega Gardevoir can be better then Tapu Lele in any way, its actually a lot worse.
232 SpA Pixilate Gardevoir-Mega Hyper Voice vs. 248 HP / 20 SpD Rotom-Wash: 193-228 (63.6 - 75.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Moonblast vs. 248 HP / 20 SpD Rotom-Wash: 237-279 (78.2 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
The difference between 95 and 100 isn't that big of a deal tbh, especially since Gardevoir runs Modest so you don't even tie with base 100s, all you get is outspeed the 90s and 95s without +Speed nature that Lele can't outspeed or even tie when running modest. Switching moves is nice but with Lele most of the time you'll drop everything with Psychic so that isn't exactly a drawback. The only thing Garde has going for it is Wisp I guess but even that requires prediction because Scizor could just ohko with bp and Metagross might not switch right into Gardevoir to avoid a WispOf course Modest Specs Lele hits harder than Gard, but with this you loose the speed tier of it (while 95 isn't that good, it's passable) and will be restricted to use only one move. Gardevoir have a better speed tier and some "counter moves", like WoW for Mega Meta and Scizor, plus having a similar bulk (more than Lele in Sp.Def). And if you don't want to use this kind of moves, Gardevoir has Thunderbolt and Shadow Ball, just like Lele.
232 SpA Pixilate Gardevoir-Mega Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 24 SpD Landorus-Therian: 244-288 (63.8 - 75.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKOOut of curiosity, how many kills does Mega Gardevior actually lose out on if it's running Timid? IMO 100 base (max 328 speed) is a good benchmark for basically any Pokemon (if MegaGarde is running Timid over Modest)
The most used nature of Mega Gardevoir that I saw and used in ORAS was Timid, and thinking about the huge number of Zygardes 50%, Mega Medicham and some Specs Modest Lele, I think Timid will be better again. For a plus, Gard win the 1x1 with Lele.The difference between 95 and 100 isn't that big of a deal tbh, especially since Gardevoir runs Modest so you don't even tie with base 100s, all you get is outspeed the 90s and 95s without +Speed nature that Lele can't outspeed or even tie when running modest.
So first of all, the new megas introduced into the tier probably won't make Mega Metagross drop from S rank. A lot has changed for it this gen. Mew and Slowbro have fallen off, a plethora of fodder for Megagross has been introduced like Magearna, Tapu Bulu, Tapu Lele, etc, and the Mega Speed change now lets Megagross access its base 110 Speed stat turn 1. Mega Diancie, Mega Lopunny, and Mega Heracross would give more competition for the mega slot, but none would greatly affect its viability. Metagross is a solid check to all three of them, actually.when I said about a possible impact on Mega Metagross viability, I was talking about the ranks (Metagross was A- in ORAS, while Lopunny, Medicham and Diancie was A+, followed by Heracross in A). I know that the fact that it can come in Tapu Lele's face almost freely is a huge thing l, but I also think that it can drop from the S rank with those new Megas.
Oh, and I also think that Mega Gardevoir is a bit superior than Lele :p
Yeah, I think you're right. It's sad to think about how GameFreak kills good mons (hello my friend Talon).The main niche it has over Lele is Will-o-Wisp to punish physical attackers, but is that really worth it when you can just run Tapu Lele + another mega and get better results?
They're actually not great ways to handle Mega Medicham sadly. Tapu Koko is one of the best partners with Medicham, and even without Koko, Adamant Medicham (which is notably better than Jolly for wallbreaking) actually busts through Mew with HJK after Stealth Rock damage, or with Electric-Terrain boosted Thunder Punch. Slowbro folds to an unboosted Thunder Punch (2HKO, and a 1/3 chance to OHKO after SR.Yeah, I think you're right. It's sad to think about how GameFreak kills good mons (hello my friend Talon).
Talking about Mew and Slowbro...Don't you think they will rise a bit because Mega Medicham? They give Mega Meta a little headache too, doesn't they?
Well if you're running Mew for the sake of switching into Medi then might as well run max def so the calc should look like this: 252+ Atk Pure Power Medicham-Mega Thunder Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mew in Electric Terrain: 163-192 (40.3 - 47.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recoveryThey're actually not great ways to handle Mega Medicham sadly. Tapu Koko is one of the best partners with Medicham, and even without Koko, Adamant Medicham (which is notably better than Jolly for wallbreaking) actually busts through Mew with HJK after Stealth Rock damage, or with Electric-Terrain boosted Thunder Punch. Slowbro folds to an unboosted Thunder Punch (2HKO, and a 1/3 chance to OHKO after SR.
252+ Atk Pure Power Medicham-Mega High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 194-228 (48 - 56.4%) -- 32% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Pure Power Medicham-Mega High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 194-228 (48 - 56.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Pure Power Medicham-Mega Thunder Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew in Electric Terrain: 225-265 (55.6 - 65.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Pure Power Medicham-Mega Thunder Punch vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro: 204-242 (51.9 - 61.5%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Pure Power Medicham-Mega Thunder Punch vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro in Electric Terrain: 306-362 (77.8 - 92.1%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock