Ludicolo (Analysis)

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GP: 2/2


[Overview]

<p>With a great movepool, awesome typing, and two fantastic abilities, Ludicolo can be a force to be reckoned with. The ability to run both physically- and specially-based offensive sets while also being able to act as a defensive pivot with the combination of Substitute + Leech Seed is not something the average Pokemon can claim. With Ludicolo's abilities offering either blistering Speed or the capacity for huge amounts of recovery in the rain, he is one of the best rain abusers in UU. Ludicolo is not perfect though; his Speed is mediocre outside of rain, and he must depend on Swords Dance if he wants to do much physical damage. Don't let that dissuade you from using him, though, as he is a solid Pokemon and a monster on rain teams.</p>

[SET]
name: Rain Dance Sweeper
move 1: Hydro Pump / Surf
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Rain Dance
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Modest / Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Ludicolo has a great movepool that is backed by a decent base 90 Special Attack. In the rain, his Speed is doubled, thanks to Swift Swim, and Hydro Pump—or Surf, but the power drop is really noticeable—becomes incredibly powerful by effectively gaining another STAB boost, which makes Ludicolo a very fast and powerful sweeper. The other moves are self-explanatory: Giga Drain is used for a second STAB and pseudo-recovery move, and Ice Beam is used because of its fantastic coverage alongside Ludicolo's STABs. Rain Dance is used in the last slot in order to change the weather and renew Swift Swim, but Rain Dance support from Damp Rock Uxie or Azelf is still recommended. As all teams should, you should carry a Chansey counter because even Hydro Pump in the rain is only a 3HKO after Stealth Rock, dealing only 29.55% - 34.66%.</p>

[ADDICIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread is very simple: max Speed to let Ludicolo outspeed most of the metagame under rain and max Special Attack to hit as hard as possible. A Modest nature is probably the better choice in order to hit harder, but a Timid nature lets Ludicolo outspeed positive-nature Choice Scarf base 109 Pokemon.</p>

<p>This set appreciates entry hazards for breaking potential Focus Sashes and Pokemon with the Sturdy ability, while also assisting Ludicolo in getting more KOs. Donphan is a good partner for Ludicolo; not only do they have nice type synergy, but Donphan also helps by taking the physical hits that Ludicolo is not fond of and providing Rapid Spin support, adding to Ludicolo's survivability. Registeel can also fit the job of laying down Stealth Rock. It and Ludicolo have good synergy together, and Registeel can set up hazards and cripple opponents with status moves such as Toxic and Thunder Wave, making Ludicolo's job easier.</p>

<p>Special walls are always Ludicolo's worst nightmare. Chansey counters Ludicolo particularly well, since she can take its hits with ease even without holding Eviolite, and can heal any damage dealt in the process with either Wish or Softboiled. Registeel and Lanturn can also take a hit and cripple Ludicolo with Thunder Wave, but for that to work, another Pokemon has to go down since they both get 2HKOed by Hydro Pump, and Hydro Pump + Giga Drain, respectively. Lanturn can be a good partner for Ludicolo, since she can absorb the opponent's Thunder Wave and, with rain set up, deal a lot of damage with Hydro Pump and Thunder.</p>

[SET]
name: Swords Dance
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Waterfall
move 3: Seed Bomb / Bullet Seed
move 4: Ice Punch / Rain Dance
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Despite coming off Ludicolo's lower attacking stat, a physical sweeper set can be potent as well. Taking advantage of the best Attack boosting move in the game (and the only boosting move he learns other than Hone Claws), and Ludicolo's great movepool, this set can be very dangerous. It does need Rain Dance support though, since Ludicolo has no way of setting it up himself without Rain Dance because he requires a moveslot for a Swords Dance. Waterfall is the only decent physical Water-type move Ludicolo learns, so it's a must have. The choice between Seed Bomb and Bullet Seed is up to personal preference. Seed Bomb is a reliable move, but Bullet Seed can break Substitutes that your opponents set up in order to stall out your rain turns. Ice Punch can deal with common Pokemon that resist Ludicolo's STAB moves, but Rain Dance can help continue Ludicolo's sweep. It is also worth noting that a +2 Waterfall in the Rain is an easy 2HKO on Chansey (69.89% - 82.24%).</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread is pretty simple: max Speed allows Ludicolo to outspeed the large majority of the UU metagame in the rain and max Attack lets him hit as hard as possible. An Adamant nature seems to the best option considering Ludicolo's not-so-great Attack stat, but Jolly lets Ludicolo outspeed Choice Scarf base 109 Speed Pokemon.</p>

<p>Stealth Rock is a common need for sweepers in order to make their job easier, and Ludicolo is not an exception. Donphan and Registeel are solid partners for Ludicolo, as they both have nice synergy with him and can set up those entry hazards Ludicolo loves. Donphan can also remove any entry hazards that your opponent sets up with Rapid Spin, adding survivability to Ludicolo, while Registeel can cripple the opponent's Pokemon with status moves such as Thunder Wave and Toxic.</p>

<p>Eviolite Dusclops and Ferroseed can work around this set pretty easily. Dusclops, with its amazing Defense stat and the boost from Eviolite, can take Ludicolo's hits with relative ease, and counter with a Will-O-Wisp, which makes Swords Dance Ludicolo completely useless, and recover some health with Pain Split or Rest. Ferroseed resists Ludicolo's dual STAB attacks, is neutral to Ice Punch, and can cripple Ludicolo with Thunder Wave, making his ability useless and making Ludicolo vulnerable to getting revenge killed.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Ludicolo can run an attacking combination of Ice Punch, ThunderPunch, and Drain Punch, which provides excellent super effective coverage, but loses out on Ludicolo's fantastic STABs. A few other offensive options include Zen Headbutt, Fake Out, Energy Ball, Grass Knot, and Focus Blast. On the support side, he can set up all the weathers bar Sandstorm—and can take advantage of all the weathers he sets up with Blizzard and SolarBeam, if it fits your fancy—and can use Haze as well.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Eviolite Dusclops is probably the best counter to Ludicolo. With massive defenses and Will-O-Wisp to deal with the Swords Dance set, it is worth carrying a counter to it (or at least something with Knock Off, Trick, or Switcheroo). It's also worth noting that Chansey walls Ludicolo horribly if he is not using the Swords Dance set. Also, because Ludicolo depends on the rain, he doesn't like Hippopotas. This is only a check though, because both Hydro Pump and Surf OHKO it (100% and 58.97% of the time, respectively), and a +2 Waterfall is an easy 2HKO.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Own Tempo is useless because Ludicolo learns no self-confusing moves, and even if he did, his other abilities prove to be much more useful.</p>
 

TheSpecialOne

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Added the Addicional Comments section. I don't know if it should be Quality Controlled again or if it should be moved into GP checks already.
 

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No Santuga this is fantastic. This is ready for GP checks.

Just remember that the name of the move is Stealth Rock, not Stealth Rocks. And Will-o-Wisp should be Will-O-Wisp.
 
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[Overview]

<p>With a great movepool and fantastic abilities, (and awesome typing to boot,), Ludicolo is a force to be reckoned with. The ability to run both Physical and Special based sets as well as SubSeed is not something your the average Pokémon can claim. With blistering Speed or the capacity for huge amounts of recovery in the rain, he is one of the best rain abusers in UU. He is not perfect though. His Speed is mediocre out of the rain ("rain" is only capitalized if you are saying "Rain Dance") and he depends on Swords Dance is he wants to do any damage physically. Don't let that dissuade you from using him though as he is a solid Pokémon and a monster on a rain team.</p> (since Ludicolo isn't a specific gender, you might want to refrain from calling it "he")

[SET]
name: Rain Dance Sweeper
move 1: Hydro Pump / Surf
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Rain Dance
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Modest / Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Ludicolo has a great movepool that is backed by a decent base 90 Special Attack. In the rain its speed is doubled thanks to Swift Swim and Hydro Pump (Surf can be used, but the power drop is really noticeable) becomes incredibly powerful, making Ludicolo a very fast, very powerful Sweeper. The other moves are self explanatory: Giga Drain for a second STAB (and pseudo-recovery) and Ice Beam because, well, it's Ice Beam. Rain Dance is used in the last slot to change the weather and renew Swift Swim, but Rain Dance support from Damp Rock Uxie or Azelf is still recommended. You should carry a Chansey counter (as all teams should) as well because even Hydro Pump in the rain is only a 3HKO after SR (29.55% - 34.66%).</p>

[ADDICIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread is very simple: Max Speed to let Ludicolo outspeed most of the metagame and Max Special Attack to attack as hard as possible. Modest nature is probably the better choice in order to hit hard, but Timid lets Ludicolo outspeed Pokémon with 109 base Speed holding a Choice Scarf with a positive Speed nature.</p>

<p>This set appreciates entry hazards to break potential Focus Sashes and Sturdy abilities, while helping Ludicolo to get assisting Ludicolo in getting (awkward wording) easier KOs. Donphan is a good partner for Ludicolo since they not only they have a nice synergy (saying "they have a nice synergy" sounds awkward to me, but it and "they have nice synergy" are both correct), but Donphan also helps Ludicolo to take physical hits, which Ludicolo is not fond of, plus the Rapid Spin support Donphan gives to Ludicolo, adding its survivability. Registeel can also fit the job. They have a good synergy and Registeel can set up hazards, cripple opponents with some status moves like Toxic and Thunder Wave, therefore making Ludicolo's job easier.</p>

<p>Special walls are always Ludicolo's nightmare. Chansey counters Ludicolo particularly well, since it can take its (make sure to use the same pronoun for Ludicolo throughout, you switched from "e" to "it") hits with ease even without holding Eviolite and it can heal any damage dealt in the process either with Wish or Softboiled. Registeel and Lanturn can also take a hit and cripple Ludicolo with Thunder Wave, but to make it for that to work, something has to go down otherwise Lanturn and or Registeel will not be able to paralyze Ludicolo before going down, since they both get 2HKO'd by Hydro Pump and Hydro Pump + Giga Drain respectively. Toxicroak and Lanturn can be good partners for Ludicolo. While Toxicroak decimates Chansey and Registeel with a STAB Fighting-Type move and gets HP back from its ability Rain Dish Dry Skin, Lanturn can absorb the opponent's Thunder Wave, and, with the rain set up, it can deal a lot of damage with its double STAB moves Hydro Pump and Thunder boosted by the rain.</p>

[SET]
name: Sword Dance
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Waterfall
move 3: Seed Bomb / Bullet Seed
move 4: Ice Punch / Rain Dance
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 4 Hp / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Despite coming off Ludicolo's lower (base 70) Atk stat, he can be a potent physical sweeper as well. Taking advantage of the the best attack boosting move in the game, (and the only boosting move he learns other than Hone Claws,) and his great movepool, this set can be very dangerous. It does need Rain Dance support though, since he has no way of setting it up himself without Rain Dance and remember, you have it you need to must set up a Swords Dance as well. Waterfall is the only decent physical Water move he learns, (the other being Dive,), so it's a must have. The choice between Seed Bomb and Bullet Seed is a personal choice. Seed Bomb offers a reliable move, but Bullet Seed can break Substitutes your opponent sets up in order to stall out your rain. Ice Punch can deal with common Ice-weak Pokémon, but Rain Dance can help continue you sweep. It is also worth noting that a +2 Waterfall in the Rain (69.89% - 82.24%) (the damage calculation should probably be moved to the end of the sentence) is an easy 2HKO on Chansey.</p>

[ADDICIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread is pretty simple. Max Speed to make Ludicolo outspeed the major part of the UU metagame and max Attack to hit as hard as possible. Adamant seems to be the best option considering Ludicolo's not so great Attack stat, but Jolly lets Ludicolo outspeed 109 base Speed Pokémon that are holding a Choice Scarf.</p>

<p>Stealth Rock is a common need for sweepers in order to make their job easier and Ludicolo is not an exception. Donphan and Registeel are solid partners to Ludicolo, as they both have a (to keep the analysis uniform) nice synergy with Ludicolo and they can set up those entry hazards that Ludicolo loves. Donphan can also remove them any entry hazards that your opponent sets up (your wording made it seem like Donphan
s Rapid Spin would remove the Stealth Rock that Donphan just set up)
with Rapid Spin adding survivability to Ludicolo while Registeel can cripple the opponent's Pokémon with status moves such as Thunder Wave and Toxic.</p>

<p>Eviolite Dusclops and Ferroseed can work around this set pretty easily. Dusclops, with its amazing Defense stat and the boost from Eviolite, can take Ludicolo's hits with relative ease, counter with a Will-O-Wisp which makes Swords Dance Ludicolo completely useless and recover some health back with Pain Split or Rest. Ferroseed resists Ludicolo's dual STAB, being neutral to Ice Punch, and can cripple it with a Thunder Wave, making its ability useless and putting Ludicolo in a vulnerable position of getting revenge killed.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Ludicolo can run the fantastic Ice/Electric/Fighting coverage game (I'm not sure what the word "game" here is accomplishing)(Ice Punch, ThunderPunch, and Drain Punch/Brick Break/Focus Punch). A few other offensive options include Zen Headbutt, Fake Out, Energy Ball/Grass Knot and Focus Blast. On the support side he can set up all the weathers bar Sandstorm (and can take advantage of all the weathers he sets up to with Blizzard and SolarBeam, if it fits your fancy), and with can use Haze as well.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Eviolite Dusclops is probably the best counter to Ludicolo. With massive defenses and Will-O-Wisp to deal with the Swords Dance set, it is worth carrying a counter to it (or at least something with Knock Off (perhaps mention Trick and Switcheroo here as well)). It's worth noting that Chansey walls you horribly if not using the Swords Dance set (even if you have Drain Punch or Focus Punch). Also, because he depends on the rain, he doesn't like Hippopotas. This is only a check though, because both Hydro Pump and Surf OHKO it (100% and 58.97% of the time, respectively), and a +2 Waterfall is an easy 2HKO. On the offensive side, Raikou is the best counter to Ludicolo with a 100 accurate Thunder in the rain and the fact that the only ground move Ludicolo can learn is Mud-slap (20 Base Power, no thank you).</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Own Tempo is useless because he learns no self-confuse moves, and even if he did, his other abilities are still better prove to be much more useful.</p>
Note: To make the é for Pokémon, use the Alt code 0233 if you have a number pad
 

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Rain Dance should go in the first slot of the Rain Sweeper, since it's Ludicolo's most important move in order to function well. Also, please word out SR to Stealth Rock, in addition to also reviewing the "coined terms" used in the analysis.

No accented e's in Pokemon, too.
 
Sorry about the é thing, those should be changed back to regular e

I did find Rain Dish Toxicroak amusing though :P
 

TheSpecialOne

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No problem, fixed. If you still see any é, tell me.
I don't know what came across my mind. Rain Dish Toxicroak lol.

By the way, does your GP check count as approved? Because I didn't see anything like GP Check 1/2 or something so I don't know :s
 
<p>Eviolite Dusclops is probably the best counter to Ludicolo. With massive defenses and Will-O-Wisp to deal with the Swords Dance set, it is worth carrying a counter to it (or at least something with Knock Off, Trick or Switcheroo). It's worth noting that Chansey walls you horribly if not using the Swords Dance set (even if you have Drain Punch or Focus Punch). Also, because it depends on the rain, he doesn't like Hippopotas. This is only a check though, because both Hydro Pump and Surf OHKO it (100% and 58.97% of the time, respectively), and a +2 Waterfall is an easy 2HKO. On the offensive side Raikou is the best counter to Ludicolo with a 100 accurate Thunder in the rain and the fact that the only ground move Ludicolo can learn is Mud-slap (20 Base Power, no thank you).</p>
Assuming the rain is falling, and assuming damage calcs with 4th gen calculators work in 5th gen,

252 SpA LO Modest +1 Ludicolo Hydro Pump vs. 0/0 Raikou: 101.2% - 119.6%

Ludicolo will outspeed Raikou as well. Ground type moves are irrelevant anyway, even if Ludicolo did learn Earth Power or something Hydro Pump does more. It's raining, after all, and it gets STAB ...
 

TheSpecialOne

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Well, I don't know how that went through QC checks before I got the thread, but what you say seems reasonable. Maybe a QC member should take a look at it?
 

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Take that out all together, Raikou would obviously get shitslammed by Pump in the rain, and wont have Thunder unless he has a rain team too
 

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[Overview]

<p>With a great movepool, awesome typing, and two fantastic abilities, (and awesome typing to boot,) Ludicolo can be a force to be reckoned with. The ability to run both physically- and specially-based offensive sets as well aswhile also being able to act as a defensive pivot with the combination of Substitute + Leech Seed SubSeed is not something the average Pokemon can claim. With Ludicolo’s abilities offering either blistering Speed or the capacity for huge amounts of recovery in the rain, he is one of the best rain abusers in UU. Ludicolo is not perfect though; his Speed is mediocre outside of the rain, and he must depend depends on Swords Dance if he wants to do much physical damage. Don't let that dissuade you from using him, though, as he is a solid Pokémon and a monster on rain teams.</p>

[SET]
name: Rain Dance Sweeper
move 1: Hydro Pump / Surf
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Rain Dance
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Modest / Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Ludicolo has a great movepool that is backed by a decent base 90 Special Attack. In the rain, his Speed its speedis doubled, thanks to Swift Swim, and Hydro Pump (or Surf can be used, but the power drop is really noticeable) becomes incredibly powerful by effectively gaining another STAB boost, which makes Ludicolo a very fast, very and powerful sweeper . The other moves are self-explanatory: Giga Drain is used for a second STAB (and pseudo-recovery) move and Ice Beam is used because of its fantastic coverage alongside Ludicolo’s STABs, well, it's Ice Beam. Rain Dance is used in the last slot in order to change the weather and renew Swift Swim, but Rain Dance support from Damp Rock Uxie or Azelf is still recommended. You should carry a Chansey counter (as all teams should) as well, because even Hydro Pump in the rain is only a 3HKO after Stealth Rock (it deals 29.55% - 34.66%).</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread is very simple: max Speed to let Ludicolo outspeed most of the metagame under rain and max Special Attack to hit as hard as possible. Using a Modest nature is probably the better choice in order to hit harder, but a Timid nature lets Ludicolo outspeed positive-natured Choice Scarf base 109 Pokemon with 109 base Speed holding a Choice Scarf with a positive Speed nature.</p>

<p>This set appreciates entry hazards for breaking potential Focus Sashes and Pokemon with the Sturdy ability, while also assisting Ludicolo in getting more KOs. Donphan is a good partner for Ludicolo since not only do they not onlyhave a nice type synergy, but Donphan also helps Ludicolo to by taking the physical hits, whichthat Ludicolo is not fond of, plus theand providing Rapid Spin support Donphan gives to Ludicolo, adding to Ludicolo’s survivability. Registeel can also fit the job of Stealth Rocker; it and Ludicolo They have a good synergy together, and Registeel can set up hazards, and cripple opponents with some status moves like Toxic and Thunder Wave, therefore making Ludicolo's job easier.</p>

<p>Special walls are always Ludicolo's worst nightmare. Chansey counters Ludicolo particularly well, since she can take its hits with ease even without holding Eviolite and it can heal any damage dealt in the process either with either Wish or Softboiled. Registeel and Lanturn can also take a hit and cripple Ludicolo with Thunder Wave, but for that to work, another Pokemon has to go down otherwise Lanturn or Registeel will not be able to paralyze Ludicolo before going down,since they both get 2HKOed by Hydro Pump and Hydro Pump + Giga Drain, respectively. Toxicroak andLanturn can be a good partner for Ludicolo, since she While Toxicroak decimates Chansey and Registeel with a STAB Fighting-Type move and gets HP back from its ability Dry Skin, Lanturn can absorb the opponent's Thunder Wave and, with rain set up, it can deal a lot of damage with its double STAB moves Hydro Pump and Thunder, which are both aided boosted by the rain.</p>

[SET]
name: Swords Dance
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Waterfall
move 3: Seed Bomb / Bullet Seed
move 4: Ice Punch / Rain Dance
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Despite coming off Ludicolo's lower attacking (base 70) Atkstat, he can be a a physical sweeper set can be potent physical sweeperas well. Taking advantage of the best Attack boosting move in the game (and the only boosting move he learns other than Hone Claws,) and Ludicolo’s great movepool, this set can be very dangerous. It does need Rain Dance support though, since Ludicolo has no way of setting it up himself without Rain Dance because he requires a moveeslot for and remember, must set up a Swords Dance as well. Waterfall is the only decent physical Water-type move Ludicolo learns, (the other being Dive,) soit's a must have. The choice between Seed Bomb and Bullet Seed is up to personal preference. Seed Bomb offers a reliable move, but Bullet Seed can break Substitutes that your opponents set up in order to stall out your rain turns. Ice Punch can deal with common Ice-weakPokemon that resist Ludicolo’s STAB moves, but Rain Dance can help continue Ludicolo’s sweep. It is also worth noting that a +2 Waterfall in the Rain is an easy 2HKO on Chansey (69.89% - 82.24%).</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread is pretty simple: max Speed allows Ludicolo to outspeed the large majority of the UU metagame in the rain and max Attack lets him hit as hard as possible. An Adamant nature seems to the best option considering Ludicolo's not-so-great Attack stat, but Jolly lets Ludicolo outspeed Choice Scarf base 109 Speed Pokémon that are holding a Choice Scarf.</p>

<p>Stealth Rock is a common need for sweepers in order to make their job easier and Ludicolo is not an exception. Donphan and Registeel are solid partners for Ludicolo, as they both have a nice synergy with Ludicolo and theycan set up those entry hazards Ludicolo loves. Donphan can also remove any entry hazards that your opponent sets up with Rapid Spin, adding survivability to Ludicolo, while Registeel can cripple the opponent's Pokémon with status moves such as Thunder Wave and Toxic.</p>

<p>Eviolite Dusclops and Ferroseed can work around this set pretty easily. Dusclops, with its amazing Defense stat and the boost from Eviolite, can take Ludicolo's hits with relative ease, counter with a Will-O-Wisp, which makes Swords Dance Ludicolo completely useless, and recover some health back with Pain Split or Rest. Ferroseed resists Ludicolo's dual STAB attacks, is neutral to Ice Punch, and can cripple Ludicolo with a Thunder Wave, making his ability useless and making Ludicolo in avulnerable to position ofgetting revenge killed.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Ludicolo can run an attacking combination of Ice Punch, ThunderPunch and Drain Punch, which provides excellent super effective coverage but loses out on Ludicolo’s fantastic STABs. the fantastic Ice/Electric/Fighting offensive coverage (Ice Punch, ThunderPunch, and Drain Punch/Brick Break/Focus Punch). A few other offensive options include Zen Headbutt, Fake Out, Energy Ball, Grass Knot, and Focus Blast. On the support side, he can set up all the weathers bar Sandstorm (and can take advantage of all the weathers he sets up with Blizzard and SolarBeam, if it fits your fancy), and can use Haze as well.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Eviolite Dusclops is probably the best counter to Ludicolo. With massive defenses and Will-O-Wisp to deal with the Swords Dance set, it is worth carrying a counter to it (or at least something with Knock Off, Trick, or Switcheroo). It's worth noting that Chansey walls Ludicolo horribly if he is not using the Swords Dance set (even if you have Drain Punch or Focus Punch).Also, because Ludicolo depends on the rain, he doesn't like Hippopotas. This is only a check though, because both Hydro Pump and Surf OHKO it (100% and 58.97% of the time, respectively), and a +2 Waterfall is an easy 2HKO.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Own Tempo is useless because Ludicolo learns no self-confusing moves, and even if he did, his other abilities prove to be much more useful.</p>


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[Overview]

<p>With a great movepool, awesome typing, and two fantastic abilities, Ludicolo can be a force to be reckoned with. The ability to run both physically- and specially-based offensive sets while also being able to act as a defensive pivot with the combination of Substitute + Leech Seed is not something the average Pokemon can claim. With Ludicolo'(no curly apostrophes)s abilities offering either blistering Speed or the capacity for huge amounts of recovery in the rain, he is one of the best rain abusers in UU. Ludicolo is not perfect though; his Speed is mediocre outside of rain, and he must depend on Swords Dance if he wants to do much physical damage. Don't let that dissuade you from using him, though, as he is a solid Pokéemon and a monster on rain teams.</p>

[SET]
name: Rain Dance Sweeper
move 1: Hydro Pump / Surf
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Rain Dance
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Modest / Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Ludicolo has a great movepool that is backed by a decent base 90 Special Attack. In the rain, his Speed is doubled, thanks to Swift Swim, and Hydro Pump(or Surf, but the power drop is really noticeable)becomes incredibly powerful by effectively gaining another STAB boost, which makes Ludicolo a very fast and powerful sweeper(no space). The other moves are self-explanatory: Giga Drain is used for a second STAB (and pseudo-recovery) move,(comma) and Ice Beam is used because of its fantastic coverage alongside Ludicolo'(no curly apostrophes)s STABs. Rain Dance is used in the last slot in order to change the weather and renew Swift Swim, but Rain Dance support from Damp Rock Uxie or Azelf is still recommended. As all teams should, you should carry a Chansey counter,(comma) (as all teams should) as well, because even Hydro Pump in the rain is only a 3HKO after Stealth Rock, dealing only (it deals 29.55% - 34.66%).</p>

[ADDICIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread is very simple: max Speed to let Ludicolo outspeed most of the metagame under rain and max Special Attack to hit as hard as possible. Using A Modest nature is probably the better choice in order to hit harder, but a Timid nature lets Ludicolo outspeed positive-natured Choice Scarf base 109 Pokemon.</p>

<p>This set appreciates entry hazards for breaking potential Focus Sashes and Pokemon with the Sturdy ability, while also assisting Ludicolo in getting more KOs. Donphan is a good partner for Ludicolo;(semicolon) since not only do they have nice type synergy, but Donphan also helps by taking the physical hits that Ludicolo is not fond of and providing Rapid Spin support, adding to Ludicolo'(no curly apostrophes)s survivability. Registeel can also fit the job of Stealth Rocker; laying down Stealth Rock. It and Ludicolo have good synergy together, and Registeel can set up hazards and cripple opponents with status moves like such as Toxic and Thunder Wave, therefore making Ludicolo's job easier.</p>

<p>Special walls are always Ludicolo's worst nightmare. Chansey counters Ludicolo particularly well, since she can take its hits with ease even without holding Eviolite,(comma) and can heal any damage dealt in the process with either Wish or Softboiled. Registeel and Lanturn can also take a hit and cripple Ludicolo with Thunder Wave, but for that to work, another Pokemon has to go down since they both get 2HKOed by Hydro Pump,(comma) and Hydro Pump + Giga Drain, respectively. Lanturn can be a good partner for Ludicolo, since she can absorb the opponent's Thunder Wave and, with rain set up, deal a lot of damage with Hydro Pump and Thunder,.(period, no comma) which are both aided by the rain.(you just mentioned rain in the sentence)</p>

[SET]
name: Swords Dance
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Waterfall
move 3: Seed Bomb / Bullet Seed
move 4: Ice Punch / Rain Dance
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Despite coming off Ludicolo's lower attacking stat, a physical sweeper set can be potent as well. Taking advantage of the best Attack boosting move in the game (and the only boosting move he learns other than Hone Claws),(comma) and Ludicolo'(no curly apostrophes)s great movepool, this set can be very dangerous. It does need Rain Dance support though, since Ludicolo has no way of setting it up himself without Rain Dance because he requires a moveslot for a Swords Dance. Waterfall is the only decent physical Water-type move Ludicolo learns, so it's a must have. The choice between Seed Bomb and Bullet Seed is up to personal preference. Seed Bomb offers is a reliable move, but Bullet Seed can break Substitutes that your opponents set up in order to stall out your rain turns. Ice Punch can deal with common Pokemon that resist Ludicolo'(no curly apostrophes)s STAB moves, but Rain Dance can help continue Ludicolo'(no curly apostrophes)s sweep. It is also worth noting that a +2 Waterfall in the Rain is an easy 2HKO on Chansey (69.89% - 82.24%).</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread is pretty simple: max Speed allows Ludicolo to outspeed the large majority of the UU metagame in the rain and max Attack lets him hit as hard as possible. An Adamant nature seems to the best option considering Ludicolo's not-so-great Attack stat, but Jolly lets Ludicolo outspeed Choice Scarf base 109 Speed Pokéemon.</p>

<p>Stealth Rock is a common need for sweepers in order to make their job easier,(comma) and Ludicolo is not an exception. Donphan and Registeel are solid partners for Ludicolo, as they both have nice synergy with Ludicolo him and can set up those entry hazards Ludicolo loves. Donphan can also remove any entry hazards that your opponent sets up with Rapid Spin, adding survivability to Ludicolo, while Registeel can cripple the opponent's Pokéemon with status moves such as Thunder Wave and Toxic.</p>

<p>Eviolite Dusclops and Ferroseed can work around this set pretty easily. Dusclops, with its amazing Defense stat and the boost from Eviolite, can take Ludicolo's hits with relative ease, and counter with a Will-O-Wisp, which makes Swords Dance Ludicolo completely useless, and recover some health back with Pain Split or Rest. Ferroseed resists Ludicolo's dual STAB attacks, is neutral to Ice Punch, and can cripple Ludicolo with Thunder Wave, making his ability useless and making Ludicolo vulnerable to getting revenge killed.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Ludicolo can run an attacking combination of Ice Punch, ThunderPunch,(comma) and Drain Punch, which provides excellent super effective coverage,(comma) but loses out on Ludicolo'(no curly apostrophes)s fantastic STABs. A few other offensive options include Zen Headbutt, Fake Out, Energy Ball, Grass Knot, and Focus Blast. On the support side, he can set up all the weathers bar Sandstorm(and can take advantage of all the weathers he sets up with Blizzard and SolarBeam, if it fits your fancy),and can use Haze as well.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Eviolite Dusclops is probably the best counter to Ludicolo. With massive defenses and Will-O-Wisp to deal with the Swords Dance set, it is worth carrying a counter to it (or at least something with Knock Off, Trick, or Switcheroo). It's also worth noting that Chansey walls Ludicolo horribly if he is not using the Swords Dance set. Also, because Ludicolo depends on the rain, he doesn't like Hippopotas. This is only a check though, because both Hydro Pump and Surf OHKO it (100% and 58.97% of the time, respectively), and a +2 Waterfall is an easy 2HKO.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Own Tempo is useless because Ludicolo learns no self-confusing moves, and even if he did, his other abilities prove to be much more useful.</p>

Not too bad, just watch out for Pokémon. Just do ctrl+f to fix. Also, get rid of those curly apostrophes, which arise from using word processors. In the future, try to limit your asides and try to integrate them into the sentences themselves, but this is not a big deal. Otherwise....



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No mention of Shedinja as a counter? It walls you and gets a free Swords Dance on the switch, which could end up in a very embarassing sweep. While it is noted that Stealth Rock helps, realistically, you aren't always going to have hazards up.
 

TheSpecialOne

formerly Santuga
@BurnyBlueBear: Shedinja has the potential to wall a lot of Pokemon due to Wonder Guard but it can be easily taken out. Having the right support even without rocks, you will only probably lose 2 Pokemon max when facing it.

@Excaknight: A Sub Seed set was discussed in the Quality Control fase, and I got this thread after being approved.
 

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