We could ban sleep. We could also ban having both sleep and setup moves on a pokemon. These are some ideas.
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I'd like to talk about sleep + set up, but I want to talk about Tail Glow specifically, since that's the fastest paced set up move that has no cost upon use.
We could say pokemon with base sp.atk of X or higher can't use tail glow.
or we can just wait for this to be coded before we theoryban theorymon
That's a bit too complex. Like others have suggested, I think the combination of Spore/Dark Void + Tail Glow is what we should ban. But like Ranger Mike says, it's too early for quick bans, I'm just seeing what people think of certain topics that might be ban worthy.
just trying to help.
Any and all help is appreciated.
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Hey, DizzyDancer why doesn't your Mienshao have fake out? I thought it was standard on Mienshao.
How am I supposed to know that .-.
I guess you just don't play much RU.
I was interested to see viable users of Parting Shot and Meowstic-M immediately came to mind. Basically, any Pokemon weak to Ghost, Dark, and Bug gains a myriad of offensive and support options but, I'm going to focus more on the latter. As mentioned already, there is Parting Shot, then Destiny Bond, Dark Void, Heal Order and many more to add to the Pokemon's arsenal of utility moves. To that, one of the best ways to abuse this is through Prankster. So, Meowstic-M is a natural fit for that reason which only got significantly better with the new toys that he can play with. A set of Dark Void | Parting Shot | Thunder Wave | Heal Order seems like a good start. From then on, you can just tailor the set to cater to your team's needs since you'll have an array of support moves to choose from. I can think of Dual Screen+Parting Shot and a Topsy-Turvy set off the top of my head.
Another promising user of Parting Shot is Slowbro. Great bulk, handy resistances, and Regenerator can make him a great slow pivot providing opportunities for a Pokemon to come in more safely or for them to go on for a potential sweep.Parting Shot Slowbro+Shell Smash Fire Types seems like a neat combo. Silly me, I forgot Shell Smash was Normal.
Another promising user of Parting Shot is Slowbro. Great bulk, handy resistances, and Regenerator can make him a great slow pivot providing opportunities for a Pokemon to come in more safely or for them to go on for a potential sweep.
I'm pretty sure Fake Out is a terrible move on anything (in singles, at least)
I find Fake Out to be a good lead move, and has its clutch moments, like breaking Sturdy/a sash mid-game, or aiding in Toxic stalling.
It is free damage and allows guys with orbs to activate them while causing free damage. It also breaks focus sashes on focus sash leads allowing for a swift KO (which is something Mienshao can do on frail leads)
Also, try telling Ambipom's technician boosted STAB Fake Out that it's terrible.
Oh yeah, Aeroblast Volcarona would be cool, and Sacred Fire could be used over Scald on pretty much any bulky water type for the high burn chance (especially Azumarill who is bulky AND has great physical power and never used scald anyway, plus it hits grass types harder than Ice Punch.).
Light of Ruin would allow Latios, Latias and Noivern to absolutely decimate Tyranitar (more reliably than Focus Blast in the case of the latter) and other bulky dark types, and they all get Roost to protect them somewhat from the huge recoil.
Oh and I am LOVING Aura Sphere Hydreigon, who in combination with Quiver Dance / Geomancy and its already fantastic movepool can pretty much blow through anything that used to scare it except Mach Punchers. Specs Hydreigon loves Vacuum Wave too XD
water types don't get sacred fire.
EV
Banned deucer.
Secret Sword>Aura Sphere
Dragon Dance Sets should really be replaced with Shift Gear when possible.
That's going to be very rare, since Kyurem-B, Tyrantrum, and Tyranitar are the only Pokemon that can or already get Dragon Dance but can also get Shift Gear.