The berry still activates if Pyroar dies iirc, so yeah it'll still eat the berry before you can send something out
UU (who else could it be) is probably going to ban Shadow Tag in its entirety soon so I don't think we'll be able to benefit from this combo for a long time :[ It does sound really cool though
Yeah it seems like the meta is shifting in Vileplume's favor, especially with the recent Sigi ban. Its a great physical wall with reliable recovery, decent SpA, and great utility in Sleep Powder. People should use it more often, its great for stopping things like Sawk the sock, Primeape, and physical attackers in general.
The difference is Electivire is a nice cleaner, while Magmortar is an amazing wallbreaker. With similar coverage, E-Vire needs to rely on teammates / support to wear the enemy down, and is in there where it shines due to epic coverage and a great movepool. Magmortar is more to easily punch holes in enemys regardless of their typing or stat distribution.
I don't think Electivire is a good cleaner. Cleaners are stuff with good Speed / priority after its counters are weakened. Base 95 Speed is pretty slow for a cleaner and no reliable way to boost it. Raichu seems to be much better at doing the Electric-type cleaning job since it's rather fast and can boost its stats, unless you really need a physical one (which arguably isn't the best for a cleaner given its reliance on mixed sets). Electivire meanwhile can make use of its really nice coverage to break walls and 2HKO lots of stuff to help its teammates. Of course like Cherub said its problem is being kinda weak and being unable to OHKO things that it should, although entry hazards change that a little. Electivire may not be a top tier wallbreaker but it certainly isn't a top tier cleaner either.
Very true. The reason I had Unburden there was because PO Dex's description of Sweet veil is "prevents allies from being put to sleep." I didn't realize it functioned on the user as well, but it does.
It's not that helpful, because since you probably have a single attacking move, the opponent can switch into one of the myriad Pokémon you can't touch offensively and force you out. Sweet Veil is slightly better.
Unburden is rather situational on defensive Slurpuff (Knock Off is actually very common though), but it's still better than a useless ability like Sweet Veil. In theory it's a good ability, but not on Slurpuff. If you could elaborate how Sweet Veil has any competitive merit then please, but Sleep Powder is almost non-existant. The two pokes in NU that get it can either destroy you (Vileplume) or setup on you and destroy you (Vivillon):
This has basically been Electivire's life story since the beginning of Generation 4. Nothing ever seems to die, it's a tad too slow, and its has a grand total of 2 moves it can boost its stats with (Charge Beam, Meditate). It seems destined to always be left behind in the dust.
So run hazard support nerd. I agree that it's not like the end-all-be-all wallbreaker, but it's still good. Being able to 2HKO pretty much every common tank in the metagame isn't easy to accomplish, and with better Speed than Magmortar, there's still plenty of reason to use Electivire in NU.
Oh man, painful memories. Well, not really for me, more for Wigglytuff because it takes so much damage from everything jesus christ. It doesn't resist Fighting either so half the merit of having a Fairy typing is already gone down the drain. Wiggly makes a piss poor Wish Passer/cleric since it would be using those huge Wishes just to keep itself alive, and Wigglytuff's offensive movepool is wasted due to absolute crap speed. Oh and Slurpuff does both of these things better oml (I doubt you need an SR user that badly to skim over Slurpuff). Basically, Wigglytuff < Slurpuff in the same vein Meowstic-F < Kadabra: completely outclassed if Competitive isn't active.
ChestoRest Puff has certainly popped up in my head a couple of times before, as it helps fix up its issues with status. This set can definitely screw over defensive teams, and the ability to activate its berry at will means it can also pose a threat to offensive teams. Pyroar can potentially shut this set down though (especially with you having like no defensive investment), so you'll want to get rid of that first.
Slurpuff @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Modest Nature
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Flamethrower
- Dazzling Gleam
Does Slurpuff's offensive stats justify its use in this manner? Under normal circumstances, Slurpuff is unable to deal major damage to anything or sweep cleanly. Is this its only niche that you have found on your team, or does it play other more useful roles?
Nah, you still use standard Calm Mind or Belly Drum, but you don't always have to set up in order to clean, particularly against offensive teams. Yeah, Slurpuff isn't very strong without boosting, but offensive teams towards the end of the game rarely have anything that can comfortably tank its attacks, particularly considering its great coverage. So no, that's not the primary function of it, just an added benefit of using it.
