The thing with Shadow Force is that No Guard mons can still hit you, Normal types are immune, and the opponent can set up in your face while you enter the semi-invulnerable state, so it isn't anywhere near a perfect replacement. It's unfortunate GF added that wieght mechanic in with Sky Drop. I wonder why they did that.
Probably to keep assholes like us from doing what we're trying to do right now.
to be honest, id consider imposter a "uncompetative" aspect of bh in itself. lol. i mean, your using a beefed up version of someone elses pokemon. how is that fair to your opponent and competative to the user? lol. i just feel like verbatims idea of this metagame wasnt "balanced and fair" but just to ban everything thats TOO powerful,(huge power, pure power and parental bond were all very powerful offensive abilities that outclassed everything almost and defensively, wonderguard is hard as shit to break offensively without mold breaker) and if shits still centralizing, then so be it. i mean, look at the stuff hes keeping in, infinitestall being a good example. im not trying to argue with you adrian, in fact, i agree, illusion is somewhat uncompetative, and i disagree with everyone argueing against you on this point, im just saying, something being uncompetative isn't a good enough reason to ban something in BH, or else imposter would've been looooong gone and infinitestall wouldn't have gotten the green flag. and i know you said NOTHING about banning illusion. i'm just kinda talking about asking to ban things in general for EVERYONE including myself. it just kinda popped in my head. could be wrong, but its really the only explanation i can think of that makes the most sense.
The thing about banning Chansey (I'm going to say chansey, as the majority of your argument was based on Eviolite's efficiency) is that chansey is probably the only thing keeping BH from being a repetitive fuckfest. Without Chansey around to check set up sweepers, every team is forced to run an Unaware and hope the opposing sweeper isn't Mold Breaker. I do agree that chansey is a very good pokemon, but I feel like the meta would be a lot less fun without chansey within it, and I'd say most players would agree.
Unaware and Poison Heal are both relatively easy to stop compared to Imposter Chansey though. Mold Breaker, an already common offensive ability due to SturdNinja, can blow through Unaware, and Poison Heal has been given a number of checks, albeit niche, such as Rumors Natural Cure Skill Swap Registeel. Imposter gives a very reliable check/counter to most set up sweepers in the tier that don't account for it.
Yeah, you really do jump the gun a lot. Remember Thousand Waves? "2 stronk plz ban"
Oops! Forgot about the lonely nature! I misclicked and clicked on a special attack, then when I clicked on the subjected spread, it chose lonely. Thanks for the advice though!
Blame CactusCacti for that one.
I totally agree with this statement, we are a little quick to jump for bans but I honestly do feel evasion deserves at the very least a suspect people talk about prankster leads but, should you steal the boosts you're doing the exact same thing your opponent is doing and that is being a dick. Tagging YoungKingPat because he's the leader of this cause.
i hate to post so soon, but that isnt nessisarily true. we COULD ban tail glow, quiver dance(that spc def boost can fuck you over quick), shell smash and shift gear(which are all arguably the broken part of setup sweepers), to force people to use nasty plot, swords dance, calm mind, and dragon dance to kinda, slow down setup sweepers. we could ban poison heal if it gets too powerful. and so on and so forth. if verbatim wanted to go the "ban imposter" route, he could go ban imposter route, and it can work. but he doesn't. and that's probably for the better too. since that could potentially erase half the current metagame and make it stale. its kinda a risk reward he decided against taking. and i mean, we allready banned the ohko moves, so its not like banning attacks are a new thing to bh. but again, im against banning chansey mainly due to what ranger mike said. i dont want that big of a change in meta. maybe a "no 150+ hp imposter" clause? lol it would make imposter so much easier to handle, without ruining imposter in itself, and it also gives pokemon like latios mega, marowak, and ...*gulp* pikachu more reason to run imposter.
