sure why not lol
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What do you think of a section for wish passers/heal bell users ?
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Sure, I'll add in a cleric section when I get home
Alrighty, gonna suggest some more things again :].
Houndoom and Durant could probably go into Choice Scarf users pretty safely, they have the power, speed, and movepool to revenge kill a pretty large portion of the tier, and Durant in particular is p. neat in this meta from what i've seen, especially considering that it's so fast that Jolly Choice Scarf can revenge kill *extremely* fast threats such as +2 Slurpuff if you really need it to.
Mega Pidgeon could probably go into the stallbreakers section given its Work Up+Refresh set. If the team you're using relies on passive damage a lot (which quite a few stall teams do), you're gonna have a hard time x.x
I'd remove Bronzong from Psychic-type checks for sure, it's p. shitty at checking any of them to be honest. Calm Mind Reuniclus, SubCM Meloetta, and Cresselia just set up all over it, Delphox and Sigilyph just run through it (+1 Sigilyph easily 2HKOs with Heat Wave, Gyro Ball doesn't do enough to OHKO in return, even unboosted Sigilyph can get past zonger, just as long as it hits it with Heat Wave on the switch), Slowking just wears it down with repeated Scalds/Fire Blasts while all Bronzong can really do is Toxic it in return, and both Choice Meloetta and OTR Reuniclus often run Shadow Ball to nail it. The only semi relevant Psychic-type that Bronzong actually beats is Mesprit...
Houndoom and Durant could probably go into Choice Scarf users pretty safely, they have the power, speed, and movepool to revenge kill a pretty large portion of the tier, and Durant in particular is p. neat in this meta from what i've seen, especially considering that it's so fast that Jolly Choice Scarf can revenge kill *extremely* fast threats such as +2 Slurpuff if you really need it to.
Mega Pidgeon could probably go into the stallbreakers section given its Work Up+Refresh set. If the team you're using relies on passive damage a lot (which quite a few stall teams do), you're gonna have a hard time x.x
I'd remove Bronzong from Psychic-type checks for sure, it's p. shitty at checking any of them to be honest. Calm Mind Reuniclus, SubCM Meloetta, and Cresselia just set up all over it, Delphox and Sigilyph just run through it (+1 Sigilyph easily 2HKOs with Heat Wave, Gyro Ball doesn't do enough to OHKO in return, even unboosted Sigilyph can get past zonger, just as long as it hits it with Heat Wave on the switch), Slowking just wears it down with repeated Scalds/Fire Blasts while all Bronzong can really do is Toxic it in return, and both Choice Meloetta and OTR Reuniclus often run Shadow Ball to nail it. The only semi relevant Psychic-type that Bronzong actually beats is Mesprit...
Done! Would also appreciate some thoughts on the cleric section I just added in.
Add cresselia because of lunar dance
Did that, also added it to stallbreakers bc sub cm has to be taken into account when team building stall.
I think subpass jolteon fits on pivots o:
lighthouses, just saying, jolteon is already on pivots, he added it after I told him on PS
Reuniclus should definitely be added to stallbreakers (honestly, i thought it was there the whole time but it turns out it isn't), CM+Recover Magic Guard Reuniclus is an absolute nightmare for most unprepared defensive teams thanks to its incredible bulk and complete immunity to passive damage, which turns many of RU's passive defensive Pokemon such as Bronzong and Alomomola into complete set up bait. I'm honestly surprised Sigilyph and Cresselia are already mentioned there but Reuniclus isn't o_O.
Cant believe I missed that, added :o
You maybe could add a category of Trick Room Users similiar to the Boosting Sweepers one, so you can maybe create in it subsections with ,for example, actual Trick Room Setters and Trick Room Abusers/Sweepers. I mean Trick Room isn't that common playstyle like Offense, Balanced or Stall but I saw it a bit on the ladder(tried it too) and from what I've experienced I think its definitely viable since it has some really good pokèmons that can setup and abuse it in the tier such as Cresselia, Reuniclus, Dragalge, Pangoro, Mega Abomasnow and really many others.
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I noticed Golbat is listed purely under defensive hazard control, and felt that its unique access to infiltrator, passable speed uninvested and poison typing merited it a mention under stallbreaker. Not only does it have access to taunt, reliable recovery, super fang and a toxic immunity (though they're rarely run together on a dedicated stall breaker set) it also possesses infiltrator to toxic substitute reliant sweepers like Braviary even if they sub on the switch (with the exception of almost all the subCM sweepers as they're mostly psychic type.)
Also, you guys are totally forgetting to put Drapion in boosting sweepers under Other! That acupressure though.
Also, you guys are totally forgetting to put Drapion in boosting sweepers under Other! That acupressure though.
Added that
We've gone over this so many times. CM Virizion is bad, and so is Spiritomb - the only set I'd bother using is the trapper set.
I am not going to defend the sets, or say they are viable, but Calm Mind is on both of their analysis, therefore they have some value, and thus should be in the CM section.
You have stuff like aurorus as a stealth rocks setter, when i suggested cm virizion i assumed you wanted to display all the options, lol
Uh, that isnt a legitimate reason to have it here. Its for what sets are the best to use, as this should be kinda to help newcomers. Sorry, no.
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Wait, what?
cm virizion is much better than sr aurorus lol
Talked with llamas on irc about cm virizi, changed my mind - adding it in.
Still iffy on Spiritomb.
Still iffy on Spiritomb.
Updated everything with tier shifts and bans!
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