I wonder if Celever can make insulting posts with no content rife with excuses for not defending himself all the way up until deadline. Let's not hammer him just to see him struggle!
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Salty because proved wrong?
I'm sorry, have you quoted a post where you say you are at school yet?
I didn't explicitly say I was at school. Clutching to straws over trivial matters is the epitome of desperation. It doesn't matter why I was AFK for a bunch of hours, it doesn't affect you in the slightest.
Oh, for an explicit lie, this wouldn't have been a bold post. I just like to watch you sweat.
Just to make clear, everything I said in my post was legitimate. There is no need to add words for the sake of adding words, this is true for nearly all contexts of life. It's not lazy at all; it's about using your words wisely. With von's post in mind, I think it was probably fine. Could it have probably been shorter? Yeah. That doesn't mean it's a bad post, I am just saying I find that shorter posts better get across points.
It's pretty strange of you von to claim that I am the one who has gotten "butt-hurt" (and we;ve had this conversation before) when all game you have been the one being rude and hypocritical towards me (see: posts questioning my intelligence, telling not to use "we" and then going ahead and using it...multiple times). Honestly, I don't really care about all that but how can you claim that "I've been an asshole the entire game"? What??? I have responded to you with nothing but respect (with maybe some sarcasm given, but nothing on your level) after you repeatedly berated me for both how I play the game and my opinion on you.
Here's a heads up: being an asshole isn't restricted to using swear words and being directly insulting. There was literally nothing "asshole"ish about my post but rather questions designed to elucidate information that I think is relevant in explaining your actions. The fact that you moved to ad hominem immediately is just another indication of your anti-town behavior in my eyes. That's why I'm voting you.
It's pretty strange of you von to claim that I am the one who has gotten "butt-hurt" (and we;ve had this conversation before) when all game you have been the one being rude and hypocritical towards me (see: posts questioning my intelligence, telling not to use "we" and then going ahead and using it...multiple times). Honestly, I don't really care about all that but how can you claim that "I've been an asshole the entire game"? What??? I have responded to you with nothing but respect (with maybe some sarcasm given, but nothing on your level) after you repeatedly berated me for both how I play the game and my opinion on you.
Here's a heads up: being an asshole isn't restricted to using swear words and being directly insulting. There was literally nothing "asshole"ish about my post but rather questions designed to elucidate information that I think is relevant in explaining your actions. The fact that you moved to ad hominem immediately is just another indication of your anti-town behavior in my eyes. That's why I'm voting you.
Jalmont
Remember how in the last game you were village? And you told people that you were mafia? And it got you lynched?
I remember. I want everyone else to remember.
It's troubling to play with Jalmont. When he's village, he does a pretty good job of getting himself lynched. We saw it early on when he told everyone to no lynch on day 1. I don't know exactly what kind of game he thinks he's playing, but it sickens me to think of mislyinching him and playing into it. But at the same time I can't give him a free pass. If he was ever mafia, and maybe he is, he has free reign to just fuck with us all game. It's very troubling.
That's why I've mostly tried to catch him through the actions of others, but then those others don't always end up being mafia.
"Why aren't Spiffy and Jalmont my top two mafia targets?" Fatecrashers Odd Ghost PokeguyNXB Mithril, I should hope you can answer this question on your own.
Maybe, just maybe, this question was answered two full days ago when the host put to rest my concerns about Spiffy. Maybe anyone else could have figured that out. So why ask? Why ask repeatedly?
When you ask stupid questions that already have answers, and do it as part of your ongoing vendetta against me for blacklisting you, how do you expect me to act?
Remember how in the last game you were village? And you told people that you were mafia? And it got you lynched?
I remember. I want everyone else to remember.
It's troubling to play with Jalmont. When he's village, he does a pretty good job of getting himself lynched. We saw it early on when he told everyone to no lynch on day 1. I don't know exactly what kind of game he thinks he's playing, but it sickens me to think of mislyinching him and playing into it. But at the same time I can't give him a free pass. If he was ever mafia, and maybe he is, he has free reign to just fuck with us all game. It's very troubling.
That's why I've mostly tried to catch him through the actions of others, but then those others don't always end up being mafia.
"Why aren't Spiffy and Jalmont my top two mafia targets?" Fatecrashers Odd Ghost PokeguyNXB Mithril, I should hope you can answer this question on your own.
Maybe, just maybe, this question was answered two full days ago when the host put to rest my concerns about Spiffy. Maybe anyone else could have figured that out. So why ask? Why ask repeatedly?
When you ask stupid questions that already have answers, and do it as part of your ongoing vendetta against me for blacklisting you, how do you expect me to act?
sunny004, Celever is right. We don't know whether or not you have the host sheet, put you were poking fun at Celever, and that's affects the game given that he just got called out as mafia in a big way.
this has no relation to anything i said but ok
Is it safe to say that you believe that "since Jalmont in the last game told people he was mafia as a villager and was lynched, it is troubling to play with him"? You realize that's a faulty generalization right? How can you make such an assumption based on one game? Do you want to go through every mafia game I have ever played?
your attempt to "catch me" doesn't make any sense and sounds like an excuse as to why you've continually believed me to be mafia but never actually pushed it lol
Because over the course of the game you have waffled repeatedly on Spiffy being mafia. It's weird. You think I'm mafia but continually you don't vote me or really push a lynch on me which I think is strange.
I ask because it's difficult to see what you truly think because you post so much and so often. Things get blurred. Just getting clarification is all.
You're trying to get me blacklisted? I didn't know that lol. Pretty sad that you care so much about trying to ban a person from playing a game on the internet.
wheeeeeeeeee didn't see you say anything about how i am an asshole l0l
I thought Spiffy was mafia on day 2. The BPV stuff and the HD lynch caused me to have huge doubts, but there was always a niggling fear. I thought the actions of the two of you at the start of this day was suspicious, so I voiced my concerns about the BPV. They got cleared up. Honestly at this point if Spiffy idled a kill just to get this claim out, maybe he just deserves to win. But I feel pretty good about a Celever lynch regardless, and don't really see them as a team.
You're not going to make me feel bad for caring about Circus Maximus. Got me badged, but more importantly, it got me good friends. Lots of them don't play mafia anymore. As far as I can tell, a blacklist was done away with because there just wasn't the playerbase anymore to be picky. But now forum mafia is run largely by salty veterans (and maybe I am one, but I'm the one who has always been self-conscious of the behavior) and a slim number of egotistical bullies who never developed proper skills, and just obstruct gameplay in general. It's no wonder the rest choose to be apathetic and inactive. There's a few good new faces too. I sure hope they want to stick around after this. Yeti is making the next game guys! Those are pretty good in my experience.
Jalmont the main reason why I felt that the result flavor seemed important to bring up is it seemed to be pointing towards a mafia Hooker or something of that ilk (when I initially read it I thought it was a kidnap and had to clarify with the hosts). If it was a mafia Hooker, which I have become pretty sure it is now, then I feel like it basically clears Spiffy and his BPV claim which allows us to focus on other things in the game. While I could have kept the result to myself, I feel like in a NOC game, especially one where the last two votes (Amianki and sunny) were pretty light days with little solid information, it was needed just to give us more useful things to talk about. It also seems like it can only help us as the village for all of us to have at least some understanding of the roles that appear to be present in the game.
Outside of that, von's treatise on Celever is a good post. I'm curious what Celever will point out as what he considers many dumb points in that post. While my vote is staying on Pokeguy for now, I'd be more than happy to go after a Celever lynch before the end of the day.
Outside of that, von's treatise on Celever is a good post. I'm curious what Celever will point out as what he considers many dumb points in that post. While my vote is staying on Pokeguy for now, I'd be more than happy to go after a Celever lynch before the end of the day.
OK, so here's how this post is going to work. First, I will quote von's post in a spoiler tag here. Less scrolling up for all you guys. Then, I'll respond to von's semantics about me at the start of his post. Thirdly I will respond to each "post analysis" he has made as short and succinctly as possible (which shouldn't be difficult for a lot of them lol). Throughout the 2nd and 3rd parts of the post, I will bold things I find particularly interesting. I don't blame you for not reading this whole post since it's going to be long (that's what happens when people indict people with overly-long posts) but please read all of the bolded parts! :) Finally, I will post a brief summary and show how moronic von's case against me really is.
OK, so for the semantics von's posted about me at the start of his essay, I am going to quote. I'm sorry, I know that it clutters the thread a bit, but it's pretty much needed.
The reason why I have said this under that quote is because you think I want to lynch you, and BT was "my last hurdle to get through to do so", so I've started trying to push a wagon on you. If I had the power, I would nightkill you, it really is as simple as that. Like town or scum I would nightkill you, because you're not fun to play with, probably due to your personal vendettas against a few people.
You want to know what an arduous task IS, though? Replying to this case >_>.
OK, that's part 1, time to get onto the post analysis. I will provide a hyperlink to each post so that you guys can clearly see what is stated there. If I feel it important enough, I will quote the post. Right now you only have von's word to go on, because unlike me, you guys don't have to go back and read everything! :p
von's post analysis doesn't actually start until post #344, which is right at the end of page 14. Guess he couldn't find anything to try and bend on the first (basically) 14 pages of the game, so he didn't bother quoting them. Actually, looking at my read on HD... I think post #344 is Day 2. Odd that von didn't point anything out about me Day 1 IMO.
#344 ~ According to von, this is where I post a "snide passive-aggressive remark" towards Spiffy wanting HD lynched. Do you see one? I think von means where I point out it's not a bandwagon because I'd expressed a want to lynch HD earlier on in the game, but that's definitely not how von described it. Also, according to von, post #344 and post #380 are "almost in verbatim". This isn't in and of itself a bad thing, and also isn't true. I'm pretty confused by this?
#411 ~ So according to von, at this time no one "seems to give a crap about HD's time zone rants." Is this true, though? Well, two posts above mine (#409), ButteredToast also talks about the time zones. Then, a little bit further up the same page, in #402, Spiffy says that he doesn't buy HD's story (not outright, but this is clearly what he was talking about if you look at HD's post below it, #403). Again, why did von bother lying again? I'm confused. He must be trying to use as much manipulative wording on me as possible to make it look like I'm scum? That's all I can think of lol.
#429 ~ von said that this post is scummy because I gave 3 informal votes, and this is a "lame thing to do". Do I actually need to pull this argument apart? Lame =/= scummy..............
von even bolded this post, so apparently, IT'S IMPORTANT.
#442 ~ So, my poor action here is starting a rant post with "you had a strong start". von also had a somewhat strong start, before he resorted to ad hominem so heavily. Strong start includes both a townie outlook and a mafia outlook, and in that post I clearly meant from a mafia's point of view.
#458 ~ He didn't actually say anything was wrong with this post, but he mentioned it, so here, have a hyperlink!
#490 ~ The scummy thing I did here was direct a post at LW. Sue me! :p. This is also another case of manipulative speech, because he says that this is indicative of me "really wanting people to not be lynching HD" because von and LW were the only two players lynching HD at the end of the day. I didn't know that von and LW were the only two players lynching HD at the end of the day BEFORE IT HAPPENED! Like what even?
He also mentions here that if he were an outsider he would think that von and I are the last two mafia. This is an extremely odd connection to make... I think he's trying to prove a point that I was repeating everything he said which, once again, isn't true in the slightest. I'd like to see von provide some examples of this, because I can't think of a single time where he's posted something and I've explicitly agreed with it.
#496 ~ This is actually not my post, but LW's. According to von, LW got "RIGHT up" my ass. This huge statement is backed up by a paragraph. A fairly short paragraph, too:
Anyway, my point here is that von overstated LW's attack on me greatly, and then afterwards said "and then LightWolf was nightkilled!". von is trying to connect me with events which in all actuality have nothing to do with me. It wasn't even a post which cast any suspicion on me whatsoever, it was casting suspicion on HD. Why would I hypothetically kill LW in a defensive manner here? If anything, LW was probably killed because he wanted to lynch HD so much, as proved in this post, because as we all know, HD was mafia. von's just stopped trying, and this really feels like I'm wasting my time...
#533 ~ This is the stage in von's case where he not only continues lying about me, but starts lying about himself too. Now, if you've paid attention to von throughout this game, his behaviour he claims to have done in his case against me here is very much against character. Just saying that he "wasn't really in a position to criticise Celever" is completely against his character. Have you seen him show restraint at all this entire game?
He also says here that I "vowed to lynch someone on the Cancerous wagon" in this post. As you can see, I didn't. I said I think someone on the wagon should be lynched today. This is another time where von is overstating and completely changing what I say to make it look scummier, when there really isn't anything scummy there.
#534 and #535 ~ von has likened these two posts to a "knowing glance". I liken it to me stating my opinion on the post restriction, and HD randomly saying "lol". Why did HD say lol? I have no clue, ask him.
von says here, whilst trying to indict me, that me assuming Spiffy is the announcer here is irrational? The announcement is found in this post. Said announcement clearly states that the announcer felt he was in the firing line. At the end of Day 1, a large amount of the game (I think around half? Give or take 2 or 3 people) expressed interest in lynching Spiffy with the informal vote. This is certainly in the firing line to me.
Also, notice how von says is this rational "only a few minutes after the day started". Not only is this probably not true (there are no time stamps beyond dates, could have been 1 minute, could have been 23 hours 59 minutes, we don't know for certain (though we can pretty much rule out the latter)) but the announcement was actually posted at night the day before. Looking at the post before the announcement (#522) it can also be assumed that the announcement was posted early on Friday morning, and the night ended about midday Saturday, going by MC's timezone. This is more than enough time to form an idea as to who I think the announcer could be.
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You know what? This is enough for now? I have 0 interest in analysing more of von's post, because he hasn't made a single good point against me yet. This is extremely tedious, and it feels extremely repetitive for me because it's basically just pointing out how von has lied. I've provided more than enough defense in the first few paragraphs whilst responding to von's rant about me early on, and the fact that all of von's point so far up to this point in the post are lies just shows how shit this case really is.
Mithril, please tell me why you think von's case is solid, and provide examples and quotes about what you think are indicative of me being scum WITHIN VON'S POST. I will respond to these quotes because, unless you're von's scumbuddy, and I really have no evidence to incriminate you of this, you don't really have a reason to lie about me. You know what, though? I'll do you a favour. I'll hyperlink all of the posts von has talked about at the bottom here. Of course, this also goes for everyone else. Grill me if you think von has merit, lynch von if you don't. Just share your thoughts about anything, please! ;~;
#582 #612 #618 #651 #653 #665 Holy shit, no more posts von can twist until post #982? #1062 #1063 #1082 #1088 #1130 (this is the "big one" where von calls me out on having fun, because apparently that's scummy.) #1205 #1207 (the thing I did wrong here is not checking my facts. At the start of this post, I stated that I was posting from my phone and was unable to check facts, implying that I might get something wrong) #1211 (apparently I tried to "convince" you all that there are 3 scum remaining. In actuality, I was reminding you all of the possibility. Does that look like convincing to you?) #1305 #1315
Have fun, you probably only need to read the bold bits to see what I'm getting at, pretty much all of the post analysis is me proving that von is lying, and I also indict him of manipulative language in his case and wishy-washy cases. Get back to me if you want me to actually address a part of von's case, but please do your own research into it a little bit first. I've hyperlinked all of the posts he used in his case, so just make sure you can't see how he's lying so I can point it out for you ;)
OK, so for the semantics von's posted about me at the start of his essay, I am going to quote. I'm sorry, I know that it clutters the thread a bit, but it's pretty much needed.
If you'd have read my posts, you'd have known. I don't think I've said once that I think you're town, and if I have it'd be early on the in the game and thus inconsequential to our current situation. This isn't out of the blue at all lol.
I just feel the need to point out that von is trying to manipulate you. This sort of wishy-washy wording oftentimes puts ideas in other people's heads which contradict each other or are non-sensical, but done subtly enough so that people don't notice. What von has essentially said here is that "I could have gone into more detail about some scummy actions he did, OH but these examples of actions aren't actually scummy!". Ask yourselves this: Why would I have tried to accuse von of something that's not scummy? It seems like that's what he thinks I should have done...
This is a paragraph of speculation and WIFOM. However, I'll entertain you, and this is a big point that I'd like to make, which I will end up reiterating later on in this post as well. If I were mafia, you would be dead. Now, I have no doubt in my mind that you would have said "you've kept me alive so that you can say this later on in the game!" if I didn't address it here already: It wouldn't be worth it. I know that, if you were town and I scum, you could get me lynched. Your death N1 would easily be passed off as a namekill, and you would pose a bigger threat to me personally than LightWolf because you chastise people so aggressively, which would rile me up and make me scumslip. Everyone in this game (well, besides Odd Ghost and Mithril) knows our history, and knows how well we get on. Either we're scumbuddies, or I'm town, and you being alive right now proves this; this statement in and of itself should be enough to defend myself, but I'll play your little game.
The reason why I have said this under that quote is because you think I want to lynch you, and BT was "my last hurdle to get through to do so", so I've started trying to push a wagon on you. If I had the power, I would nightkill you, it really is as simple as that. Like town or scum I would nightkill you, because you're not fun to play with, probably due to your personal vendettas against a few people.
You'll see why I think differently about Spiffy today than I did yesterday tomorrow.
Another example of von being wishy-washy. "Why were you trying to lynch the clean BP? When I did it I provided reasons, so that's OK.". It's not OK, and there's no need to point this out, I'm sure all of you guys figured it out yourselves! Going from trying to accuse Spiffy + Jalmont of being a scum team to Spiffy being clean in one day is quite a feat.
This appeal to emotion is so see-through it's actually quite funny. Also flawed. "This is such a boring and arduous task! >~<" might be reasonable... if he had to do it, or even if he were ASKED to do it, but this is entirely through choice. You don't get pity for choosing to do arduous tasks. Though in a way, you ARE right. You do have to try and make a case on me as quickly as possible, because if you don't you'll be lynched and a close victory for the mafia will slip through your fingers, and you neither you nor your partner want that, right?
You want to know what an arduous task IS, though? Replying to this case >_>.
OK, that's part 1, time to get onto the post analysis. I will provide a hyperlink to each post so that you guys can clearly see what is stated there. If I feel it important enough, I will quote the post. Right now you only have von's word to go on, because unlike me, you guys don't have to go back and read everything! :p
Ummm... no, not quite. Here's where the argument started. Where do you say it starts? Also I only pointed out that he wasn't posting at the time so as to prove a point because Spiffy accused me of the same thing, and it's such as deliriously bad accusation. Most people cottoned onto it, but hey, guess you didn't. Well, actually, you obviously pretended not to because the more you can manipulate what I say to look scummy the better your case looks.
von's post analysis doesn't actually start until post #344, which is right at the end of page 14. Guess he couldn't find anything to try and bend on the first (basically) 14 pages of the game, so he didn't bother quoting them. Actually, looking at my read on HD... I think post #344 is Day 2. Odd that von didn't point anything out about me Day 1 IMO.
#344 ~ According to von, this is where I post a "snide passive-aggressive remark" towards Spiffy wanting HD lynched. Do you see one? I think von means where I point out it's not a bandwagon because I'd expressed a want to lynch HD earlier on in the game, but that's definitely not how von described it. Also, according to von, post #344 and post #380 are "almost in verbatim". This isn't in and of itself a bad thing, and also isn't true. I'm pretty confused by this?
#411 ~ So according to von, at this time no one "seems to give a crap about HD's time zone rants." Is this true, though? Well, two posts above mine (#409), ButteredToast also talks about the time zones. Then, a little bit further up the same page, in #402, Spiffy says that he doesn't buy HD's story (not outright, but this is clearly what he was talking about if you look at HD's post below it, #403). Again, why did von bother lying again? I'm confused. He must be trying to use as much manipulative wording on me as possible to make it look like I'm scum? That's all I can think of lol.
#429 ~ von said that this post is scummy because I gave 3 informal votes, and this is a "lame thing to do". Do I actually need to pull this argument apart? Lame =/= scummy..............
von even bolded this post, so apparently, IT'S IMPORTANT.
#442 ~ So, my poor action here is starting a rant post with "you had a strong start". von also had a somewhat strong start, before he resorted to ad hominem so heavily. Strong start includes both a townie outlook and a mafia outlook, and in that post I clearly meant from a mafia's point of view.
#458 ~ He didn't actually say anything was wrong with this post, but he mentioned it, so here, have a hyperlink!
#490 ~ The scummy thing I did here was direct a post at LW. Sue me! :p. This is also another case of manipulative speech, because he says that this is indicative of me "really wanting people to not be lynching HD" because von and LW were the only two players lynching HD at the end of the day. I didn't know that von and LW were the only two players lynching HD at the end of the day BEFORE IT HAPPENED! Like what even?
He also mentions here that if he were an outsider he would think that von and I are the last two mafia. This is an extremely odd connection to make... I think he's trying to prove a point that I was repeating everything he said which, once again, isn't true in the slightest. I'd like to see von provide some examples of this, because I can't think of a single time where he's posted something and I've explicitly agreed with it.
#496 ~ This is actually not my post, but LW's. According to von, LW got "RIGHT up" my ass. This huge statement is backed up by a paragraph. A fairly short paragraph, too:
In hindsight, this could well be true. I personally think that lynching HD Day 1 would have still been a mistake, because HD's play on Day 2 has greatly helped me form an opinion about von, but logically... yeah, it probably made sense on Day 1. >_>LightWolf said:
Anyway, my point here is that von overstated LW's attack on me greatly, and then afterwards said "and then LightWolf was nightkilled!". von is trying to connect me with events which in all actuality have nothing to do with me. It wasn't even a post which cast any suspicion on me whatsoever, it was casting suspicion on HD. Why would I hypothetically kill LW in a defensive manner here? If anything, LW was probably killed because he wanted to lynch HD so much, as proved in this post, because as we all know, HD was mafia. von's just stopped trying, and this really feels like I'm wasting my time...
#533 ~ This is the stage in von's case where he not only continues lying about me, but starts lying about himself too. Now, if you've paid attention to von throughout this game, his behaviour he claims to have done in his case against me here is very much against character. Just saying that he "wasn't really in a position to criticise Celever" is completely against his character. Have you seen him show restraint at all this entire game?
He also says here that I "vowed to lynch someone on the Cancerous wagon" in this post. As you can see, I didn't. I said I think someone on the wagon should be lynched today. This is another time where von is overstating and completely changing what I say to make it look scummier, when there really isn't anything scummy there.
#534 and #535 ~ von has likened these two posts to a "knowing glance". I liken it to me stating my opinion on the post restriction, and HD randomly saying "lol". Why did HD say lol? I have no clue, ask him.
von says here, whilst trying to indict me, that me assuming Spiffy is the announcer here is irrational? The announcement is found in this post. Said announcement clearly states that the announcer felt he was in the firing line. At the end of Day 1, a large amount of the game (I think around half? Give or take 2 or 3 people) expressed interest in lynching Spiffy with the informal vote. This is certainly in the firing line to me.
Also, notice how von says is this rational "only a few minutes after the day started". Not only is this probably not true (there are no time stamps beyond dates, could have been 1 minute, could have been 23 hours 59 minutes, we don't know for certain (though we can pretty much rule out the latter)) but the announcement was actually posted at night the day before. Looking at the post before the announcement (#522) it can also be assumed that the announcement was posted early on Friday morning, and the night ended about midday Saturday, going by MC's timezone. This is more than enough time to form an idea as to who I think the announcer could be.
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You know what? This is enough for now? I have 0 interest in analysing more of von's post, because he hasn't made a single good point against me yet. This is extremely tedious, and it feels extremely repetitive for me because it's basically just pointing out how von has lied. I've provided more than enough defense in the first few paragraphs whilst responding to von's rant about me early on, and the fact that all of von's point so far up to this point in the post are lies just shows how shit this case really is.
Mithril, please tell me why you think von's case is solid, and provide examples and quotes about what you think are indicative of me being scum WITHIN VON'S POST. I will respond to these quotes because, unless you're von's scumbuddy, and I really have no evidence to incriminate you of this, you don't really have a reason to lie about me. You know what, though? I'll do you a favour. I'll hyperlink all of the posts von has talked about at the bottom here. Of course, this also goes for everyone else. Grill me if you think von has merit, lynch von if you don't. Just share your thoughts about anything, please! ;~;
#582 #612 #618 #651 #653 #665 Holy shit, no more posts von can twist until post #982? #1062 #1063 #1082 #1088 #1130 (this is the "big one" where von calls me out on having fun, because apparently that's scummy.) #1205 #1207 (the thing I did wrong here is not checking my facts. At the start of this post, I stated that I was posting from my phone and was unable to check facts, implying that I might get something wrong) #1211 (apparently I tried to "convince" you all that there are 3 scum remaining. In actuality, I was reminding you all of the possibility. Does that look like convincing to you?) #1305 #1315
Have fun, you probably only need to read the bold bits to see what I'm getting at, pretty much all of the post analysis is me proving that von is lying, and I also indict him of manipulative language in his case and wishy-washy cases. Get back to me if you want me to actually address a part of von's case, but please do your own research into it a little bit first. I've hyperlinked all of the posts he used in his case, so just make sure you can't see how he's lying so I can point it out for you ;)
sorry i fuckedu p the quotes. this is the same post as above.
are you really "afraid" to vote me because of me being a bad player? if i am mafia (which really, why can't i be?) aren't you just screwing yourself and the village over? i don't get it
you also don't mention the fact that your basing everything off a single game but maybe that just slipped your mind ? 8)
haven't fully read celever's post but i will shortly after i do some hW
ok but can you tell me why only now have you decided celever is a good lynch considering your strategy of ignoring him until this point (i still feel it seems awfully convenient it's now you decide to look at him. huh?)von said:
are you really "afraid" to vote me because of me being a bad player? if i am mafia (which really, why can't i be?) aren't you just screwing yourself and the village over? i don't get it
you shouldn't feel bad about caring about circus maximus, you should feel bad about being a dick to people for playing badly in a mafia game (classic case of "elitism" in smogmaf, gee why doesn't anyone want to play???) The whole point of a blacklist is to punish people who break game rules/ruin games. I didn't break any game rules/ruin the game. Blacklists aren't made to punish poor play ya dingus since otherwise how are people supposed to get better? people aren't amazing at mafia overnight as a general rule. Don't turn this on me when you started this with your behavior (seriously dude i've never had a problem with anyone other than you [and the only reason anything happened was because you out of nowhere started being an ass], and you have problems with multiple users. is it me or you???) if we want to talk about meta, then i think it's safe to say that circus isn't suffering because of "egotistical bullies who never developed proper skill" (what does that even mean). it's not the people, it's the style of mafia but w/e i guess that's for another discussion i suppose
you also don't mention the fact that your basing everything off a single game but maybe that just slipped your mind ? 8)
haven't fully read celever's post but i will shortly after i do some hW
Wayan Vistar
formerly Flyhn
Sorry for lack of posts... would've posted this morning but there was two whole pages I had to catch up on, which took up all the time i had before school. And during school, it seems yet another argument has shown it's face. I'm honestly sick and tired of this, it bogs down the game big time.
Anyway, I'm unsure who to vote atm, but I, like many others, am against a massclaim, at least until we're at mylo or lylo. That's when a massclaim would be most useful imo
As per usual, if you want me to say more, just ask.
Anyway, I'm unsure who to vote atm, but I, like many others, am against a massclaim, at least until we're at mylo or lylo. That's when a massclaim would be most useful imo
As per usual, if you want me to say more, just ask.
Yeah, my reads from the early day definitely changed. When I went back and looked at stuff while making my most recent reads post (1306) I realized I had missed some things and was taken too much for granted (such as assuming Celever wouldn't push so hard against a teammates lynch). Top two mafia for me as of now are Pokeguy and Celever.
Just as a note, you haven't responded to my post defending your read of me which is on the last page somewhere...
Also, please read the last little bit of my huge tl;dr up above.
You know, I kind of like my current job. For some reason I get to do things like play pictionary and conduct pranks. Case in point, yesterday my boss came to the floor and gave everyone a "mandatory company written exam". The 1st instruction said "read all instructions carefully before doing anything". The last instruction said "only do instruction #1. you are done." All the other instructions were people making asses out of themselves for not following rule #1. It was quite funny.
I'm glad that it mentally prepared me to treat your post the same way. Just so we're totally on the level, Celever is cool with me addressing only his bolded sentences. After all, that's how I operated in my post. If you could refute every bold post, the non bolded ones don't matter. Not that Celever bothered. No, he gave up less than halfway.
That's your first bold post? Really? You know, just about anyone can say that. If I was mafia, why would I be surrounded by players I'm not getting along with. But really, everyone that you killed either argued directly with you (and I haven't until now), were watcher which you knew, or were BT, who was also a very good target. So your first bold sentence is this WIFOMY shit? Really?
Actually, in our last NOC you WERE mafia and didn't kill me. Even though I ripped your ass to shreds multiple times. If everyone knows our history then you they know that you have a history of trying to get me LYNCHED. You've never once have taken the easy option of killing me. And you've also never succeeded, though you have screwed over a few of your teams as a result. Here's what I imagine. Anyone see Commando? Celever doesn't want to just shoot me. He wants to feel the knife go in.
Celever argues that we hate each other so much that if he were mafia, he'd have killed me. But why then, if I'm mafia, have I not killed him? itt Celever admits to putting personal feelings ahead of winning. I have made it clear time and time again that I will not. And that's the most maddening thing about dealing with him.
Celever, you are scum. I mean, yes, you're mafia, but you're also the scum of the earth. What possessed you to think you could ask me to do something, give me shit for doing it, and then say that no one asked me to do it? Hmm? Last page. Barely 12 hours ago.Celever said:
Appeal to emotion? It took me three hours to comb through every Celever post to make that one. I got home after eight of work. I wanted to watch Old Boy. Instead I ended up getting three hours of sleep, and I'm about to go to work hopped up on three cups of coffee. And I did watch Old Boy this morning, and I couldn't even get mad at the villain because I was and still am dealing with Celever. Now that's a fucking appeal to emotion right there. But it's also 100% true. Arduous task? Hell yes it was.
But again, this is what you bold? Something that is, in and of itself an appeal to emotion? I'm not gonna crucify you for that, but I think your glass house is just about on its last leg at this point.
Uhh, not if you DID kill him. You realize that's the bulk of your defense here right? "von says I killed him, but I didn't!" And even I said that paragraph was a minor point that maybe meant nothing. So choosing to respond to it over the actually damning posts you made, again, you're making this real easy when you say I only need to read the bold sentences.
Why would you lie about a post that you had just provided the link to?
Wow, I have to admit, it was pretty nice only having to address the important parts. And what were they? WIFOM, things that apply equally to Celever, and proven lies. If the rest of the post is LESS important, then wow, people REALLY don't need to bother with it.
But you did give kind of a closing statement, and there's something in it I'd like to address to.
You went on vacation for a week. Curious how you could forget that... I mean you've lied about every other time you said you couldn't post, so maybe that was a lie too. I just don't understand how someone forgets going on vacation for a week. Especially when I made reference to you doing so.
Stop. Fucking. Asking. Me. Questions. I. Have. Already. Answered.
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are you really "afraid" to vote me because of me being a bad player? if i am mafia (which really, why can't i be?) aren't you just screwing yourself and the village over? i don't get it[/quote]
Are you really lazy enough to not read that post I made? If Celever is mafia (which really, why can't he be?) aren't you just screwing yourself and the village over? I don't get it.
LMAO von, be serious. Respond to it properly. Other people reading the post who really don't have any need to read the whole thing can just read the bolded parts and the bits around it.
Also it amuses me how you say your post worked on the same "only read the bold parts" system. At least 85% of your paragraphs were bolded, I'm sure, probably 90%. I pointed out key terms, you know, like you're meant to do in tl;drs. You just bolded basically the whole post and said "LOOK I'M MAKING IT EASY FOR YOU!"
Also it amuses me how you say your post worked on the same "only read the bold parts" system. At least 85% of your paragraphs were bolded, I'm sure, probably 90%. I pointed out key terms, you know, like you're meant to do in tl;drs. You just bolded basically the whole post and said "LOOK I'M MAKING IT EASY FOR YOU!"
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