Maximum Carnage Mafia - Avengers Win! (As well as Pidge and tredge)

Okay, a few things to point out. First of all, I do not believe reachzero or game freak are mafia. The reason for this is simply the fact that reach got kidnapped. The mafia kidnapped him possibly to post blame on macle, or to possibly make macle the village leader. However, I am far more convinced of the first option. I believe the mafia tried to lay the blame on macle for this. If this is the case, then macle is most likely clean (although a role PM would still be nice).

Now, since Game Freak is in the same group as reachzero, he is obviously not mafia either. So, my suspicions this far are the same as reachzero's, because they make the most sense: Pidge and J-man. That's all I can say for now because I am about to go to bed, so I will talk more on that tomorrow.
 
If you read the excerpt from my post Tanz you would see that he clearly says too much. At the same time this would be an INCREDIBLY stupid move by the wolf, so obviously he is probably a confused villager like me.
 
Just because reach was kidnapped doesn't guarantee he's not mafia. He might've felt he drew too much attention to himself. If you're kidnapped, you're immune to all night roles with lower priority (and as far as I know, kidnapping counts as hooking, so thats a damn high priority). This is a tactic I've used a few times in past games, both as a mafia and a villager.

Just throwing it out there. Really, I don't think reach is mafia (or GF, by extention). But trusting someone just because they were kidnapped is a pretty bad idea.

macle, still waiting for that role PM.
 
The reason I asked Spider-Man to lead the village is because I thought that the real Spider-Man would foolishly openly come out so we can lynch him. It was a light-hearted trick and joke that I didn't expect anyone to take seriously. -_-

Anyway, regarding recent discussion, let me catch up and read everything a few times to form an opinion.

Edit: macle not posting his role PM disappoints me, because it's making me think he is bad sorta. Reachzero's role PM seems a little iffy, too. Village-aligned silencer doesn't make much sense; silencing is usually never advantageous for the village, communication is important for the so called uninformed majority. Help, what do i do!?
 
I would just like to say that in Cereal Mafia, IPL had himself kidnapped all game in order to prevent him from being inspected / lynched.

I'm not saying the same thing is happening here, but being kidnapped in no way means that reachzero is not mafia.
 
Dear macle,

You are Carnage. A serial killer created from a small part of Venom, you bonded onto a much more dangerous man. Together, you have recruited some of the most dangerous men. You have found 4 Serial Killers, whom you have named the Carnage Squad, and have convinced the Sinister Twelve to work with you.

At night, you may send a PM to RB Golbat and Dubulous stating "Night x - Bonding With <user>". If that user is a villager, and you are targeted for a kill that night, (even if you are protected by another role), that user will die instead of you. However, you can only protect yourself once with this role, and you will be informed of when a user dies through this role.

In addition, since you are the ring leader of this destruction, every vote you make in day will count as two votes.

You win if you survive and only the Carnage Squad and Sinister Twelve are alive.
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tear it apart all you will. I gave this to 2 people last night so don't try and pull something about me making it in the time i posted last night saying I'm going to bed and posting now.

1 Carnage
1 Spiderman
4 Carnage Squad
12 Sinister 12
4 Avengers
4 Slingers
3 neutrals
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Possibly or maybe 1 neutral + 5 avengers / slingers


also i don't think reach is mafia since he has told me his team mates so he is kinda fucked hard if he is mafia....
 
posting mostly for activity, also:
RB Golbat said:
Dear the interwebs,

You are The Kingpin. You, Wilson Fisk, control most of the organized crime in town. Your reach goes to the newspapers, government, and even police force. When Carnage approached you about working with him to take over the town, you agreed, and got together the Sinister Twelve to help take control of this town.

*snip*

You win if The Sinister Twelve eliminate all unfriendly threats.
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i know that kingpin isnt really part of the sin12, but it says he got together the sin12 and not that he part of them and such.

snipped what i can do because i dont feel like anyone would be helped by knowing it.
macle knows it however, and i hereby give him permission to tell it to anyone he thinks should know it(not that he would need it, but he might refrain from telling it if i didnt spefically give him permission to tell lol).

P.S. i hate my stupid conversational skills :C
 
I'm about to drop a truth bomb on this game.

We're playing a lynch pin mafia, I think... which means sorry reachzero but you are definitely NOT the best person to hold the village's information.

I'd bet money that if Carnage ever dies, the Carnage Squad goes mafia and splinters from S12 who are the real village. Why else would there be special designation between the Carnage Squad and the Sinister Twelve?

Long story short: no one claim to any member of the Carnage squad. Either give it to Carnage himself, or give it to a clean s12.
 
Reachzero told me to post this:
reachzero said:
Alright, this is getting somewhat out of hand here. :( Please post the following in the thread for me:

With respect to DCJ (as a person, that is), to make this an issue of my credibility versus his is somewhat ridiculous. DCJ has made his rather ridiculous claim (including a double role with a broad village alignment) to multiple individuals, including macle, me, and Anachronism. Granted, I realize that being kidnapped does not in any way prove me to be clean. However, it does make it a lot harder for me to respond to the criticisms against me, which is obviously the point. Anyway, as we were talking in PM last night, DCJ suddenly said this:

<DCJ> [21:19:02] <DCJ> so tell me if im wrong:
<DCJ> [21:19:18] <DCJ> when an item is sent to a user, yet is killed the same period
<DCJ> [21:19:26] <DCJ> the item still goes to the late user
<DCJ> [21:21:01] <RB-Golbat> yes
<DCJ> [21:21:06] <RB-Golbat> but they get it after they die
<DCJ> maybe i should just send it to him and kill him
<reachzero> whoa
<DCJ> sorry
<reachzero> I totally don't understand
<DCJ> different game
<DCJ> just disregard that


This came RIGHT AFTER I asked him to give his Pumpkin Bomb to a confirmed clean player. He claims that he was baiting me to try to get me to tell someone and get that person to post (I did, of course, and obviously it would have been Game Freak), yet that seems a whole lot more like a cover up for a terrible slip to me. With regard to Carnage Squad (it is pretty obvious by now that my faction is Carnage Squad), let's be honest here. No one outside of me and my three teammates have actually claimed Carnage Squad, and it seems pretty likely that no one will at this point, and for good reason. For whatever reason Carnage Squad was given the names of their teammates, despite being a village faction. Reading DCJ's log with Kharozz, it is obviously filled with polemic; he is trying to convince Kharozz that I am mafia with very little evidence (in fact, with substantial evidence to the contrary) on the basis of his use of LOUD CAPS
[22:39] <DCJ> THEY HAVE NO CLUE WHO THEIR ALLIES ARE
[22:40] <DCJ> BUT REACH HAD ALLIES LISTED IN HIS PM

[22:46] <DCJ> SEE
[22:47] <DCJ> ALL THREE OF THEM ARE MAFIA
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All of this, of course, completely confirms my suspicion that whatever DCJ actually is, he is not a villager or village aligned. I strongly recommend that we lynch DCJ.
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I think I have a good idea. Why doesn't the s12 and The Carnage Squad make a coalition. The leaders of each faction will discuss with each other about lynch targets. This should also allow us to keep information away from each other if the lynchpin dies. It would also be a good idea to think that Carnage is the lynchpin and should be the target for the bg.
 
Game Freak201 said:
I think I have a good idea. Why doesn't the s12 and The Carnage Squad make a coalition. The leaders of each faction will discuss with each other about lynch targets. This should also allow us to keep information away from each other if the lynchpin dies. It would also be a good idea to think that Carnage is the lynchpin and should be the target for the bg.
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The Sinister Twelve has no leader. Unlike the Carnage Squad, we don't know who each other are. Anyone can just claim S12 and we have no way to prove it until the inspector comes out and says something.
 
zorbees said:
The Sinister Twelve has no leader. Unlike the Carnage Squad, we don't know who each other are. Anyone can just claim S12 and we have no way to prove it until the inspector comes out and says something.
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Well, reachzero did provide me the role pm of a s12 member that we believe to be legit.

Until I am convinced otherwise, lynch DCJ.
 
Finding someone to lead the s12 is not going to be easy. As Zorbees mentioned, we can expect to get s12 claims from anyone who is not (openly) Carnage Squad, DCJ, or the 2 lynchpins. This means that whoever decides to lead the village will be receiving 20 claims, and only about half of them will be real. Not to mention the fact that there are NO even remotely cleaned s12s makes things very hard indeed. Also, it seems as though a lot of s12s have really garbage roles that don't really contribute much of anything.

Regarding the possibility that there are 5 in each mafia and 1 neutral, this makes it even LESS likely that someone village-aligned would take that spot.

If this is a lynchpin mafia, then obviously we should be protecting macle for as long as possible, and after that if he IS killed we can sort it out then. 2 of 4 carnage squad members have already claimed themselves as such, so it wouldn't be hard for 12 villagers to kill them. I think that this is unlikely though because we already have 2 mafia factions that have no interest in killing each other (I would assume).

I am not too sure if the actions of anyone who has posted so far are condemning, but DCJ has some explaining to do. J-man seems a bit suspicious, and Pidge, not sure what to think of him now. Since DCJ is apparently lynch-proof anyway, perhaps J-man is the best target?
 
As a response to Anachronism's post, we have a person who claimed s12 to macle, reachzero, and myself. Furthermore, we have reason that the role PM isn't fake due to its ability.

Edit: We also think that the pumpkin bomb isn't a real item. Besides, the only faction that could possibly have an lynch protection item is mafia anyway.
 
I think DCJ would be best to lynch today. There's already a lot of evidence against him, and there are things I don't like about his role PM. It really stresses the importance of killing spiderman, yet him dying is not in his win requirements. In the second PM, he is said to be in another group, but apparently he totally snipped out the section listing his members, while in the first one, it says he's in the sinister twelve, but the win condition is different. Also in the second PM, notice the first sentence of the third paragraph, "instead of sending in a day action mentioned above", yet there are no day actions mentioned above, which means there's probably been doctoring of the PM. Then I really can't see how wanting to eliminate everyone with powers allows him to win with a bunch of super villains. If that pumpkin bomb can be used to kill anyone it's sent to, I think we should do out with him now, or at least make him lose his item.

Lynch DCJ
 
If he's telling the truth and has his pumpkin bomb, then he survives and we have a trustable villager. If he's lying, he gets killed. Given the lack of a better target, there's really nothing to lose.

Lynch DCJ

Of course, I can be persuaded to change that with a convincing argument.
 
just posting to say claim to me or be cast under suspicion. I provided my role.

once i get all claims i can make a determination if dcj is the right person to lynch....
 
Darkamber8828 said:
...reachzero totally killed DCJ in a battle of suspicion and wits...
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And how exactly did you come to such a conclusion?

All I see reachzero's contribution as is a wordy, intelligent sounding attempt to turn the tables on me. But he doesn't present anything new to press down on me other that what is already said and what I've already unveiled. The only real claims he's using to pull a suspicion switcheroo on me are my bluff and my win condition; both of which are dismissible and beneficial to the village. They are strange, yes, but nothing to waste a lynch about.


Anyway, after recent inquiries and actions I have found the need to profess myself again at Anachronism's request. My bluff was meant as bait in hopes of finding another member of reachzero's faction which I suspected to be mafia or a lynchpin group. Anachronism became my immediate suspect after his flash edit, but after new revelations and answers, I keep him as a trustful villager. The two of us have wavered white flags in each others' direction. We have currently worked out a mutual understanding, each handling valuable information. Anachronism can support me on this if you ask him.

Please do not take my rash actions as a reason to lynch me. Ultimately, it'll be a wasted day in the village, and my bomb will be gone for this useless exchange.

[more will be added later if necessary]

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it says he's in the sinister twelve, but the win condition is different.
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The win conditions for both characters are the same, I suggest you reread the PM.

Also in the second PM, notice the first sentence of the third paragraph, "instead of sending in a day action mentioned above", yet there are no day actions mentioned above, which means there's probably been doctoring of the PM.
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If I forget to take my meds my vote counts for the regular 1. That was the day action being regarded.
 
Any lynch is better than a no lynch, because no lynch and mislynch are the same as far as the mafia is concerned: no mafia died.

At least a not so randlynch on DCJ gives us a chance at hitting mafia

Lynch DCJ
 
okay guys, I talked to DCJ in an attempt to clear myself up a bit and told him that we would work together to mole reachzero. I never had any intention of doing this. As you know I am still very suspicious of DCJ, so I would never actually agree to do that (though I think it is possible he is just a dumb villager), and the idiot POSTED it PUBLICLY in the FORUM where EVERYONE can see it... This leads me to believe that he really IS stupid enough to say that stuff to reachzero and just recently decided to cover his ass about it, and this was another attempt to do so. Lets make him prove he has pumpkin bomb.

Vote DCJ

DCJ I apologize if I am wrong about this but could you be any stupider? I don't think anyone should trust you with any info anyway, so this is ultimately for the good of the village.
 
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