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NOC Medieval Mafia - Game Over: Majora's Maskians Win
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First off, everyone look at the cute new avy ^_^
From my limited NOC experience, mafia can only contact during the night. Although, I'm not sure how often that is the case.
Also, why is Quagsires the most suspicious we have? I do not understand his thoughts on Pblade's post, but I don't think that makes him super scum.
From my limited NOC experience, mafia can only contact during the night. Although, I'm not sure how often that is the case.
Also, why is Quagsires the most suspicious we have? I do not understand his thoughts on Pblade's post, but I don't think that makes him super scum.
Then lynch someone else and give your reasoning if you don't like Quagsires. Personally I'm voting for him because he said something imo dumb "(paraphrased)there is no need to have people say what they think of other users since it only gives mafia info on who to kill"
iirc quag was lynching paper because he did this long, defensive response to one of sam's posts early game. he even admitted himself that it was a pretty weak reason to be lynching somebody.
quag maybe you should explain yourself v_v
quag maybe you should explain yourself v_v
Explained here:
The town motivation behind this is to stop unintentional hammers that may and will screw us over. Of course, as was mentioned, the scum motivation behind this is rolefishing for the mayor. Which is why pursuing this "really weird thing Brammi did that idk makes him look suspicious i guess" won't lead to much, as it could fit town and scum alike.
In #245, SCall voices some nice opinions that I think should get more attention. Namely, billy's insecurity towards being called out for buddying and wick's "why to no lynch" and "why i suggested it" discussion that is currently replacing actual content from him.
A few posts later, Yeti went a TAD (grave understatement) overboard with billymills WIFOM speculation. If one of them flip scum, this is something to look back to.
I agree with the Quags suspicion to a certain extent. His activity (or lack thereof) is to be noted, and he admits that his PBlade case is weak now but still hinges to it. Have you really no other person you feel warrants your vote more? You were reading PBlade before, what stopped you from finding something else? This is lazy scumhunting and fits scum trying to earn as little enemies as possible. I do get a town vibe from some of his discussion-inducing points throughout the game, but I'll have to keep an eye on him.
Actually, nah, I am content with vote-prodding him at this point. If he's been able to bring up good points about the game in general, he should be able to do the same with players. And if he's been hiding behind his PBlade case to avoid sharing opinions, this is how we're going to get them.
@@Vote: Quagsires@@[/B
@Crux: Oh look I have a question:
You're currently cheerleading the Quagsires wagon. Do you not want to show conviction or are you still not interested in voting anyone and this support is pointless :words:? Either case is terrible.
kingofkongs said:
Because he and Star Call randomly decided to inconspicuously attempt to shift the discussion onto Leethoof when Quagsires got a few votes on him, and neither of them actively addressed the Quagsires situation when it was obviously the biggest new development. To me, that seems like both are trying to get Quagsires out of the lynch focus without actively defending him in case he does actually get lynched.
Love the avatar.Ditto said:
However, I would love it even more if you would explain why you don't think Quagsires is "super scum". Does this mean you think he is only regular scum? He hasn't provided any defense at all and has been acting very passively apart from randomly trying to call attention to Paperblade, both of which I think are huge tells that he is mafia. Also, if he is mafia then we get two other great suspects for free (Star Call and jalmont, neither of which have even bothered defending their subtle defense of Quagsires).
Quagsires your post was ridiculous. If you found anything in Paperblade's post that makes him a good lynch target, please point it out. Zorbees, I was going to post something exactly like that when I saw Quag's post, but you beat me to it.
As of now my top 4 are Quags, SCall, Leethoof and Ditto. Staraptor Call has been trying to drive attention away from targets like Quags and concentrate it on: Wickdaggler, myself, Leethoof, Brammi and Ditto.
He has absolutely terrible reasoning for all of them. Apparently I am afraid of being buddied, and Ditto's willingless to be lynched is his greatest error. Brammi, and Wick have been making inexperienced mistakes all game, and well, it doesn't take much to suspect Leethoof lol.
I think the current quags vote should stay in place, but doesn't need any more support until he posts again. I'd like some more posts from Staraptor Call about Askaninjask, Zorbees, and Yeti.
As of now my top 4 are Quags, SCall, Leethoof and Ditto. Staraptor Call has been trying to drive attention away from targets like Quags and concentrate it on: Wickdaggler, myself, Leethoof, Brammi and Ditto.
He has absolutely terrible reasoning for all of them. Apparently I am afraid of being buddied, and Ditto's willingless to be lynched is his greatest error. Brammi, and Wick have been making inexperienced mistakes all game, and well, it doesn't take much to suspect Leethoof lol.
I think the current quags vote should stay in place, but doesn't need any more support until he posts again. I'd like some more posts from Staraptor Call about Askaninjask, Zorbees, and Yeti.
What I meant by not super scum is that, while scummy, I'm not sure if Quagsires' scumminess is enough to end the discussion and finalize a lynch as it seems to be. I guess the possibility of getting 2 other reads from Quagsires' lynch is quite possible. Although isn't Staraptor Call still are only claim for announcer (having subbed in for LS)? Again announcer could easily be a mafia role.
EDIT: never mind. He subbed in for Infinity.Cypher.
EDIT: never mind. He subbed in for Infinity.Cypher.
I still don't understand WHY Quagsires' scumminess is...scummy but not scummy enough to lynch?
I mean I understand not wanting to finalize a lynch until he posts again (like billymills said), but I don't understand your point. If he is scummy then surely he is a good lynch target?
consider that you're doing the exact same thing here; driving attention away from me, you, leethoof brammi and ditto, and focusing it on quag and scall.
just because he happens to have different reasoning than you regarding which users should be lynched doesn't mean that he is scum.
although yeah I agree that his reasoning for a few of those targets are pretty weak.
UncleSam, why is Quagsires suddenly obvscum? We're voting for him because his behavior is scummy and we know he can do better. Why is said scummy behavior suddenly a 'huge tell'? I don't think you showed such a huge conviction when you first started the wagon, so this change in tone needs to be addressed.
billymills, your claim that SCall has made terrible reasonings is subjective, and this was proven seeing as most players did not respond to them (silence is equal to approval 99% of the time, as, were your behavior bad, you'd get people calling you out for it). To reinforce your suspicion on SCall, which is based only on these theoretically terrible reads, I ask you to explain why they are such in more detail, and why SCall is scummy for voicing these terrible opinions (town and scum alike can voice bad opinions, you know, and he's far from the only one to do this itg).
billymills, your claim that SCall has made terrible reasonings is subjective, and this was proven seeing as most players did not respond to them (silence is equal to approval 99% of the time, as, were your behavior bad, you'd get people calling you out for it). To reinforce your suspicion on SCall, which is based only on these theoretically terrible reads, I ask you to explain why they are such in more detail, and why SCall is scummy for voicing these terrible opinions (town and scum alike can voice bad opinions, you know, and he's far from the only one to do this itg).
I became more convinced after two other users (jalmont/Star Call) tried to redirect the discussion away from him and after he read this thread for like an hour last night then didn't respond to anything but rather jalmont and Star Call posted right after he left (yes, I was watching at the bottom of the thread to see who was reading it). Also there's the fact that he still hasn't addressed any of the points brought up against him, and I want to make sure that the pressure stays on him.
Also, I was trying to push Ditto into justifying a response that seemed to me to be particularly lacking and somewhat apathetic, which is at the best anti-town behavior and at the worst another attempt by a mafia partner to get the Quags wagon to die down strictly due to apathy.
Scall said something like "Quagsires thinks this because X" and X was something that no one else really inferred from anything Quags said (I would go pull the exact quote but campus wifi is fucking awful, but iirc it was something about me being overly defensive). I guess it's possible that what he meant was that he agreed I was scummy because he saw that, but the way he worded it didn't really imply that and instead implied he was either a mind reader or was talking in OC.
I'm also slightly suspicious over all the attention directed to Quags. If he flips town, I would look deeper into the people who were under suspicion before as it's possible this was an attempt to redirect suspicion (similar to how if Quags flips maf, we look into Jalmont/Scall for attempting to redirect suspicion).
I don't really feel like I have anything else to say since Quags hasn't posted to defend himself yet and the last dozen or so posts feel like they've been retreading that.
In NOC, with my limited understanding, I only like to finalize a lynch when I feel almost certain that the person is scum. I am an overall somewhat timid player when it comes to lynching. And while Quagsires does seem scummy, I am still not fully convinced. And my response is somewhat apathetic because of that. I don't really seem to care about Quagsires either way, and while I can see him being scum, I don't feel it enough to actually commit to it.
Crux, please name the three scummiest users besides Quagsires in your opinion, and give reasoning. I am starting to suspect people like MK Ultra and TalkingLion, who haven't said anything for a while. If they are mafia, they are probably afraid of bandwagoning on Quagsires, but are probably also afraid of slipping up and saying something that arouses suspicion. They could just be busy or something, so I don't know.
That is precisely what I am doing, despite the fact that I said explicitly that I think Ditto and Leethoof are both highly suspect.
No I do not think there is a lot to be gained by pressing me. Though as I said in my previous post I gave give more specific reasoning behind each of my actions if you think it is necessary.
You and brammi are making inexperienced mistakes, mistakes that I would consider scum-like if I thought either of you knew how a villager should act. His reasoning for each, even Ditto, is extremely weak and I feel perfectly fine attacking poor reasoning. Just because he has a different opinion doesn't mean I should accept it.
As I said in my previous post, I don't think we should carry out this quagsires lynch now (if we decide to ever carry through), but we need opinions from everyone about quagsires and about each other as it relates to the quags lynch.
I think you raise an excellent point zorbees, and that is why I am going to request that ALL USERS POST OPINIONS OF QUAGSIRES WHEN THEY POST. Indicate whether or not you think he would be a good day 1 lynch target, and if you think he would be, feel free to vote for him...but I request that no one push it past NINE votes until he has had a chance to post (well as I said he had a chance to post last night and didn't do so...). I say nine because with 24 living players presumably 12-13 makes majority and so the mafia basically couldn't hammer Quags if we keep it at nine.
Currently I count five votes on Quags (kok/me/BT/zorbees/aska), so whatever you do don't push it past nine. However, if you are reading this thread (and odds are someone will notice if you are), not posting your thoughts on Quags will only direct suspicion towards you.
edit@above: billy any reason you think we should keep it at five instead of nine in order to force Quagsires to post? I really don't see any difference other than that nine votes is enough to really pressure someone, whereas five isn't really that serious and can be ignored by others (as is happening in some of these posts). I don't want the mafia to be able to reasonably post without addressing the Quagsires issue, and I think pushing up the vote total a few guarantees that.
Currently I count five votes on Quags (kok/me/BT/zorbees/aska), so whatever you do don't push it past nine. However, if you are reading this thread (and odds are someone will notice if you are), not posting your thoughts on Quags will only direct suspicion towards you.
edit@above: billy any reason you think we should keep it at five instead of nine in order to force Quagsires to post? I really don't see any difference other than that nine votes is enough to really pressure someone, whereas five isn't really that serious and can be ignored by others (as is happening in some of these posts). I don't want the mafia to be able to reasonably post without addressing the Quagsires issue, and I think pushing up the vote total a few guarantees that.
Way to copy what I said Unclesam
I did not read BT's post before I last posted, so here's a response
Leethoof I agree with, but that is not saying much. He's played pretty badly so far.
With respect to ditto, he only reiterates what I've already said and then focuses on an element that is extremely weak, the willingness to be voted.
His calling me out is probably the worst: My play style has changed in 8 months, and then he talks about the number of troll posts directed at BT (and to some degree sam). Fear of being buddied is the one thing that strikes me as odd. A mafia would love to be buddied by anyone who is not on his team (at which time the mafia could just tell his teammate to cut it out. I have made it quite clear that I agree with zorbees on a number of arguments, which is simply due to me drawing the same conclusions. I assume he has agreed with me on at least a few of my points before. I'm not quite sure what you're talking about when you mean I've been afraid of being buddied.
My biggest problem with these arguments is that they appear rushed. None of them are novel, 3 of them target people Staraptor Call knows probably won't defend themselves and two have already been thrown out by each of the two 'opposing' sides. Opposing here means Sam, Crux, and those who believe him would have likely have agreed with me being suspicious, while myself, Blue_tornado and others (ditto himself apparently) would believe ditto to be a good lynch target. It seems at the very least a post meant to agree with everyone and draw no attention.
The fact it was posted while quags was being suggested as a target could merely be bad timing.
My opinion on Quags is pretty straight forward. I suggested him as a possible target because he had posted an average number of times, contributing a decent bit, but there were still some concerns about him from others. He responds to this with an absolutely brutal post saying we should again focus on Paperblade. He has not however posted within 20 hours, so I think we should continue to post opinions about him until he does finally post.
Furthermore, if you have previously posted your opinion about quagsires 2+ pages ago and don't plan on reposting it, could you at least quote or link to it so that we can see them all on the same page?
I did not read BT's post before I last posted, so here's a response
SCall said:
Leethoof I agree with, but that is not saying much. He's played pretty badly so far.
With respect to ditto, he only reiterates what I've already said and then focuses on an element that is extremely weak, the willingness to be voted.
His calling me out is probably the worst: My play style has changed in 8 months, and then he talks about the number of troll posts directed at BT (and to some degree sam). Fear of being buddied is the one thing that strikes me as odd. A mafia would love to be buddied by anyone who is not on his team (at which time the mafia could just tell his teammate to cut it out. I have made it quite clear that I agree with zorbees on a number of arguments, which is simply due to me drawing the same conclusions. I assume he has agreed with me on at least a few of my points before. I'm not quite sure what you're talking about when you mean I've been afraid of being buddied.
My biggest problem with these arguments is that they appear rushed. None of them are novel, 3 of them target people Staraptor Call knows probably won't defend themselves and two have already been thrown out by each of the two 'opposing' sides. Opposing here means Sam, Crux, and those who believe him would have likely have agreed with me being suspicious, while myself, Blue_tornado and others (ditto himself apparently) would believe ditto to be a good lynch target. It seems at the very least a post meant to agree with everyone and draw no attention.
The fact it was posted while quags was being suggested as a target could merely be bad timing.
My opinion on Quags is pretty straight forward. I suggested him as a possible target because he had posted an average number of times, contributing a decent bit, but there were still some concerns about him from others. He responds to this with an absolutely brutal post saying we should again focus on Paperblade. He has not however posted within 20 hours, so I think we should continue to post opinions about him until he does finally post.
Furthermore, if you have previously posted your opinion about quagsires 2+ pages ago and don't plan on reposting it, could you at least quote or link to it so that we can see them all on the same page?
Help how did I copy what you said. You said that Quagsires shouldn't get voted for anymore and pointed out problems with wickdaggler's and Brammi's posts, whereas I focused more on Quagsires and suggested an entirely different method of pressuring Quagsires than you did.
And in case people get the wrong idea:
Opinions on Quagsires are required because he is currently the central affair and avoiding sharing your opinion on the matter will make you look quite bad.
However, Unclesam is currently unintentionally (maybe?) limiting the discussion on Quagsires and Quagsires alone. Do post your opinions on Quagsires, but do also remember that there are 22 other players itg and you should voice your opinions on them as well.
Since, as I see it, people are going to post their opinions on Quags and forget about any of the discussion we had earlier. So, post other thoughts as well so that doesn't happen, please.
Opinions on Quagsires are required because he is currently the central affair and avoiding sharing your opinion on the matter will make you look quite bad.
However, Unclesam is currently unintentionally (maybe?) limiting the discussion on Quagsires and Quagsires alone. Do post your opinions on Quagsires, but do also remember that there are 22 other players itg and you should voice your opinions on them as well.
Since, as I see it, people are going to post their opinions on Quags and forget about any of the discussion we had earlier. So, post other thoughts as well so that doesn't happen, please.
My only statement is I find it interesting, after nEsp gave detailed reads on me/BT/billy, and said that if billy is mafia, BT and I probably are too, but US is town, he has yet to post his thoughts on US after I requested it.
Having a tough time writing a neutral analysis of yourself for him to post, UncleSam?
My my, how lazy.
Having a tough time writing a neutral analysis of yourself for him to post, UncleSam?
My my, how lazy.
Yes; I'm sorry if I gave the impression people should just stop caring about everyone else, that wasn't what I intended at all. LOTS of other people have things to explain, especially: Leethoof, Ditto, MK Ultra, TalkingLion, Brammi, Staraptor Call, and jalmont. Opinions on these players would be REALLY helpful as well.
The reason I list these users is because Leethoof has that questionable "persuaded" thing going against him along with making an unintelligible post or two early on, Ditto seems like he is totally against lynching anyone Day 1 (seriously Ditto we are never going to be "certain" about a target on Day 1 not voting until that point is ridiculous), MK Ultra and Talkinglion zorbees already went over but basically MK Ultra has been really inactive and talkinglion has gone quiet ever since the whole Quagsires wagon started. Brammi made some really questionable plays (asking for the mayor to come out and claim, etc.), and Staraptor Call and jalmont need to answer for not addressing the Quagsires wagon AT ALL well after it started and trying to redirect attention onto Leethoof. Staraptor Call also has to answer for being able to read Quagsires' mind concerning Paperblade.
That's all the suspicious stuff that has happened recently outside of Quagsires I think, and if people notice other things of course state them as well. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean you can just totally ignore the central argument of the moment either.
Edit at Yeti: Truth be told I didn't even remember what nESP had posted except remembering that he (along with Rediamond and detroitlolcat) need to post WAY more and haven't said anything useful yet. I'll go back and read nEsp's post again and give comments on it because if he is really buddying me than I totally missed that.
This is the only really "useful" post that nEsp has made, and frankly I'm surprised I missed it. I think his reads aren't very good because imo it is unlikely BT and billy are mafia, since I think it is unlikely BT would jump to buddy billymills so much if they were mafia together. Other than that nothing really jumps out at me about this post because frankly it's more rehash than actual opinion or analysis, and is pretty useless. nEsp, post way more please.
Also Yeti, I notice that you totally ignored the Quagsires wagon in your post (and have been doing so thus far). Any reason for that?
I edited above, I did not think there would be so many posts in the meantime.
Unclesam I was referring to the fact that I had just called for everyone's opinions on Quagsires. Also 5 or 9 votes isn't going to matter since everyone is talking about the quagsires vote now anyway.
If you would like !@#$%^&*()_+Vote Quagsires+_)(*&^%$#@!
Unclesam I was referring to the fact that I had just called for everyone's opinions on Quagsires. Also 5 or 9 votes isn't going to matter since everyone is talking about the quagsires vote now anyway.
If you would like !@#$%^&*()_+Vote Quagsires+_)(*&^%$#@!
I agree that Quag looks bad. He has weak posts considering his ability as a player, and his inactivity is very off. However, don't let the Quag discussion stop all others. We still have other viable lynch targets (you guys don't need me to list every scummy user); some more discussion on them would be great so that we can get another lynch going the next day. Also, discussion of people other than the person we plan on lynching will be useful to those with night actions when figuring out who to inspect/hook/bodyguard/whathaveyou.
I'd also like you guys to know that I will be busy Friday-Saturday with real life stuff, so please don't expect any substantial posts from me for the next two days.
I'd also like you guys to know that I will be busy Friday-Saturday with real life stuff, so please don't expect any substantial posts from me for the next two days.