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Hello everyone,
We started this little research back at gamefaqs's black pokemon board and I'd thought maybe you could put it to better use somehow: (Illustrated version in 2nd page) ================================================== *Bold in "Resisted by" indicates most used *Bold in "Most Notable Users" indicates STAB on both types Unresisted due to ability (Turboblaze, Mold Breaker): Dragon/Fire w/Turboblaze Resisted by: None Most Notable Users: Reshiram, Kyurem-W Dragon/Fight w/Mold Breaker Resisted by: None Most Notable Users: Haxorus (Superpower, Brick Break, Low Kick) Unresisted due to missing dual-type pokemon: Ghost/Fighting: Resisted by: (Normal/Ghost) Most Notable Users: Gengar (Focus Blast), Reuniclus (Shadow Ball, Focus Blast) Resisted by one pokemon due to ability (Scrappy): Normal/Fighting w/Scrappy Resisted by: (Wonder Guard Shedinja) Most Notable users: Stoutland (Superpower) Resisted by one pokemon: Dragon/Fire Resisted by: (Flash Fire Heatran) Most Notable User: Garchomp (Fire Fang), Salamence (Fire Blast), Dragonite (Fire Pwnch) Dragon/Fighting: Resisted by: (Wonder Guard Shedinja) Most Notable Users: Dragonite (Superpower) Resisted by Less than Five Pokemon Dark/Fighting: Resisted by: (Toxicroak, Heracross) Third Type Coverage: Psychic, Flying, Fire, Ground Most Notable Users: Scrafty, Lucario, Zoroark, Conkeldurr, Hydreigon, Machamp Dragon/Water: Resisted by: (Empoleon, Shedinja, Ferrothorn) Complete Coverage: Fire Most Notable Users: Kingdra, Palkia, Latios, Hydreigon, Dragonite Flying/Water: Resisted by: (Lanturn, Empoleon, Rotom-W) Third Type Coverage: Grass Most Notable Users: Gyarados, Dragonite (Aqua Jet, Waterfall, Hurricane, Surf, etc.) Dragon/Ground: Resisted by: (Skarmory, Levitate Bronzong, Shedinja) Third Type Coverage: Fire Most Notable Users: Garchomp, Haxorus, Flygon, Salamence, Kyurem (Earth Power) Flying/Fighting: Resisted by: (Zapdos, Rotom-S, Thundurus, Emolga) Third Type Coverage: Rock Most Notable Users: Tornadus (Hammer Arm, Superpower), Thundrus (Focus Blast, Superpower) Resisted by Less than Ten Pokemon Dragon/Electric: Resisted by: (Magnezone, Steelix, Shedinja, Excadrill, Ferrothorn) Third Type Coverage: Fire Most Notable User: Zekrom, Kyurem-B Ground/Rock aka EdgeQuake: Resisted by: (Flygon, Torterra, Virizion, Levitate Bronzong, Claydol, Breloom) Third Type Coverage: Fire Most Notable Users: Excadrill, Landorus, Aerodactyl, Rhyperior, Golem, Onix, Dugtrio Rock/Fighting: Resisted by: (Claydol, Gallade, Golurk, Medicham, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Toxicroak) Third Coverage Type: Ground Most Notable Users: Terrakion, Mienshao (Stone Edge), Machamp, Virizion (Stone Edge) Ice/Ground: Resisted by: (Surskit, Levitate Bronzong, Shedinja, Rotom-W, Rotom-F, Rotom-H, Cryogonal) Third Type Coverage: Ghost Most Notable Users: Mamoswine, Donphan (Ice Shard), Kyurem (Earth Power) Ice/Electric aka BoltBeam: Resisted by: (Magnezone, Volt Absorb Lanturn, Shedinja, Rotom-F, Rotom-H, Thick Fat Mamoswine, Lightning Rod Seaking) Third Type Coverage: Fire Most Notable Users: Starmie, Rotom-F, Porygon2/Z, Thunderus, Lanturn, Zapdos, Electivire, Jolteon, Raikou, Genesect, any Electric-type that runs HP Ice Normal/Ground: Resisted by: (Drifblim, Mismagius, Gengar, Aerodactyl, Skarmory, Bronzong, Rotom-S) Third Coverage Type: Fire Most Notable User: Excadrill (Frustration) Normal/Water: Resisted by: (Jellicent, Empoleon, Ferrothorn, Shedinja, Storm Drain Cradily, Dialga, Giratina) Third Coverage Type: Ground Most Notable User: Bibarel, Samurott, Feraligatr Dark/Ground: Resisted by: (Shiftry, Cacturne, Honchcrow, Heracross, Breloom, Skarmory, Virizion, Hydreigon) Third Type Coverage: Ice, Fire Most Notable Users: Krookodile, Dugtrio (Sucker Punch) Last edited by X5Dragon; Oct 18th, 2012 at 11:51:08 AM. Reason: BW2, new mons, new unresited categories, updated best users, etc. |
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Shedinja is immune to Normal/Water as well.
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rotom-heat form also resists bolt/beam
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Join Date: Jun 2011
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Alright thanks guys, anymore suggestions is appreciated! I'm also making it easier to read by adding graphics and line breaks..
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heatran and bibarel beat ghost/fire
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Thundurus and Emonga resist Flying/Ground too.
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Join Date: Aug 2010
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On the subject of "Resisted by less than 10 pokemon:", it might be worth highlighting the OU/UU pokemon that do resist the rarer type combos, since there is a likelihood their higher usage will lend to their resistances. That then helps with finding ways of dealing with those pokemon too, either with a third coverage move or team synergy in general. Maybe split that list into two, as well.
You could also add third coverage types? (this is a tad subjective so apologies) _ _ _ Less than Five Dark/Fighting: (Toxicroak, Heracross) Third Type Coverage: Psychic, Flying, Fire* Dragon/Water: (Empoleon, Shedinja, Ferrothorn) Complete Coverage: Fire Normal/Water: (Jellicent, Empoleon, Ferrothorn, Shedinja) Dragon/Ground: (Skarmory, Levitate Bronzong, Shedinja) Third Type Coverage: Fire Dragon/Electric: (Magnezone, Steelix, Shedinja, Excadrill) Third Type Coverage: Fire Flying/Water: (Lanturn, Empoleon, Rotom-W) Third Type Coverage: Grass Less than Ten Ice/Electric aka BoltBeam: (Magnezone, Lanturn, Shedinja, Rotom-F, Rotom-H) Ice/Ground: (Surskit, Levitate Bronzong, Shedinja, Rotom-W, Rotom-F) Third Type Coverage: Ghost Flying/Fighting: (Zapdos, Rotom, Rotom-F, Thundurus, Emolga) Third Type Coverage: Rock Ghost/Fire: (Houndoom, Tyranitar, Sharpedo, Crawdaunt, Heatran, Bibarel) Third Type Coverage: Fighting, Rock, Ground Dark/Ground: (Shiftry, Cacturne, Honchcrow, Heracross, Breloom, Skarmory) Third Type Coverage: Ice, Fire Ground/Rock: (Flygon, Torterra, Virizion, Levitate Bronzong, Claydol, Breloom) Ice/Fighting: (Chandelure, Volcarona, Jellicent, Froslass, Slowbro, Slowking, Tentacruel, Qwilfish) Third Type Coverage: Ground, Rock Flying/Ground: (Zapdos, Aerodactyl, Skarmory, Bronzong, Rotom, Solrock, Lunatone, Rotom-M, Rotom-H, Rotom-W) _ _ _ Not sure if that helps.
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Just wondering, on Flying/Ground, what is Rotom-M?
Rotom-W and Rotom-F resist it too. Also, Cradily resists Water/Normal because of Storm Drain. |
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Join Date: May 2011
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Ferrothorn resists both Dragon and Electric too.
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Thick Fat Mamoswine and Lightningrod Seaking resist Electric/Ice.
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http://masara.byethost15.com/Silverl...cTestPage.html
Notice in the bottom right hand corner of that web page, theres a "coverage calculator" put the move combos in that you want, and it'll show what resists it. EDIT: it doesn't account for all abilities, but the well known ones it does (it gets lanturn, but not thick fat mamo, as well as wonder guard) Also, I think shedinja should be left out for resisting a tonne of two-type combos. |
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I've found that Dark + Fire (from mons like hydriegon and zoroark) is quite a potent combo. Dark hits many things neutrally, as well as psychic and ghost super. And fire hits the things that resist dark like steel.
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Join Date: Jan 2011
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still resisted by heatran, but both those mons get focus blast anyway.
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Join Date: Jul 2011
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Focus blast also deals with Tyranitar and Houndoom which both resist Dark+Fire as well.
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Rotom-M is every Rotom forme. Though the standard for that is Rotom-A.
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Rotom-C doesn't resist Flying/Ground.
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Are we listing Ubers too? Because Dialga and Giratina both resist Normal/Water, but aren't listed.
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Rock/Fighting:
Claydol, Gallade, Golurk, Medicham, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Toxicroak
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Notable users (list is by no means complete:
Ghost/Fighting: Gengar Dragon/Fire: Reshiram Dragon/Fighting: ? Dark/Fighting: That dude in LC that got a lot of attention I forget the name Dragon/Water: Kingdra, Palkia Normal/Water: Bibarel (lol) Dragon/Ground: Garchomp Dragon/Electric: Zekrom Flying/Water: Gyarados (?) Ice/Electric: Starmie, Rotom-F Ice/Ground: Mamoswine Flying/Fighting: ? Ghost/Fire: ? Dark/Ground: Krookodile Ground/Rock: A bunch Ice/Fighting: ? Flying/Ground: Gliscor By the way, no Fighting/Rock?
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I'll add a few, off the top of my head. Some are really only notable in lower tiers.
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Terrakion, Mienshao (Stone Edge), Machamp, Virizion (Stone Edge)
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Starmie, Victini, Shedinja, and Thick Fat Grumpig also resist Ice+Fight; therefore, it does not have less than 10 resistances.
Also, Scrappy Normal+Fight is unresisted bar Shedinja. I'm just saying.
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Join Date: May 2011
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For someone who is relatively new to smogon, this is excelent.
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i SWEAR there was a thread just like this.
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Looking forward to its completion
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you mean 3 more threads
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