Blastoise

DreamTalon · Aug 31st, 2011, 9:45:12 PM

Blastoise

HP: 78
Attack: 83
Defense: 100
Special Attack: 85
Special Defense: 105
Speed: 78

Torrent: When HP is below 1/3rd, Water’s power increases to 1.5 times.
Hidden Ability:
Rain Dish: If Heavy Rain weather is in effect, recovers 1/16th max Hit Points at the end of the turn.

(Double) Bulky Fake Out

Blastoise @ Wacan Berry
Calm
Torrent/Rain Dish
196 Speed, 252 HP, 60 Special Defense
Fake Out
Scald
Ice Beam
Protect

Blastoise is one of the few bulky Fake Out users, other than Scrafty. The difference in between Scrafty and Blastoise is that Blastoise has the ability to burn physical attacking threats with Scald, and tank them. Fake Out is needed, as that is the only reason to use it over other Scald users, such as Milotic who has more bulk and Special Attack. Ice Beam provides coverage against Dragon and Grass types, which Scald doesn't hit. Protect is needed for predictions and burn stalling.

The item allows Blastoise to easily survive Electric attacks from things like Zapdos and Eelektross. The ability choice only matters if running a Rain team, but other Rain Fake Out users like Toxicroak and Ludicolo generally are better. 196 Speed EVs allows Blastoise to out speed neutral natured, max speed Hitmontop by one speed point. The rest are put into HP and Special Defense, and physical attacks Blastoise can easily shrug off.

cosmicexplorer · Aug 31st, 2011, 10:07:05 PM

Does Blastoise have anything over Ludicolo for a Fake Out user? It seems almost entirely outclassed.

Ashenlock · Aug 31st, 2011, 10:07:50 PM

Just curious, would Blastoise be able to survive a Thunderbolt from Zapdos/etc. anyway with those EVs? Because if it does survive, that means it would be a 2HKO either way.

Also, before anybody suggests Water Spout, I don't think it's compatible with Fake Out.

DreamTalon · Aug 31st, 2011, 10:11:04 PM

I think it can. It is rediculously bulky.

EDIT: Refering to being 2HKOed by Thunderbolt from Zapdos. With Wacan, probably even 3HKO'd. Too lazy to calc though...

cosmicexplorer · Aug 31st, 2011, 10:18:55 PM

Water Spout is not compatible with Fake Out.

breh · Aug 31st, 2011, 10:22:47 PM

I tried water spout a while back; it was too weak.

Infinity.Cypher · Sep 1st, 2011, 3:52:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat DreamTalon

I think it can. It is rediculously bulky.

EDIT: Refering to being 2HKOed by Thunderbolt from Zapdos. With Wacan, probably even 3HKO'd. Too lazy to calc though...

177 Atk vs 146 Def & 186 HP (95 Base Power): 66 - 78 (35.48% - 41.94%)
252EV Non SpA+ Zapdos's Thunderbolt vs. Wacan 252/60 Calm Blastoise

177 Atk vs 146 Def & 186 HP (95 Base Power): 132 - 156 (70.97% - 83.87%)
252EV Non SpA+ Zapdos's Thunderbolt vs. 252/60 Calm Blastoise

Blastoise is 2HKO'ed by Zapdos's Thunderbolt, even with Wacan and minimal damage.

DreamTalon · Sep 1st, 2011, 6:55:02 PM

I see. Does anyone have an EV spread to be 3HKO'd? I'm on a phone right now.

Infinity.Cypher · Sep 1st, 2011, 7:48:01 PM

252/252 Calm Blastoise is the best bet, but can be 2hkoed by 252 Non SpA+ Zapdos's Thunderbolt, even with Wacan equipped

Here's the close non 252/252 I could find: 236hp/228def Calm

177 Atk vs 169 Def & 184 HP (95 Base Power): 57 - 67 (30.98% - 36.41%) Avg = 33.15%
252EV Non SpA+ Zapdos's Thunderbolt vs. Wacan 236/228 Calm Blastoise

177 Atk vs 169 Def & 184 HP (95 Base Power): 114 - 134 (61.96% - 72.83%) Avg = 66.30%
252EV Non SpA+ Zapdos's Thunderbolt vs. 236/228 Calm Blastoise

If Zapdos hits average damage, then Blastoise will live with about ~2hp left. That's the best 3hko ev spread I can make without making the spread 252/252

Moe2 · Sep 1st, 2011, 7:52:04 PM

What is the purpose of fake-out on this set? If you don't mind me asking O.o

cosmicexplorer · Sep 1st, 2011, 7:56:57 PM

Fake Out is a staple move in Doubles play, as immobilizing the opponent for a turn is immeasurably useful. Further explanation on the benefits of the move in Doubles can be found here.

makiri · Sep 1st, 2011, 7:59:39 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgINGJsAjA0

DreamTalon · Sep 1st, 2011, 10:46:26 PM

Yeah probably the beat bet is to use Wacan and kill with partner.

Aug 31st, 2011, 9:45:12 PM	#1
DreamTalon Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 186 Dallas, Texas	Blastoise Blastoise HP: 78 Attack: 83 Defense: 100 Special Attack: 85 Special Defense: 105 Speed: 78 Torrent: When HP is below 1/3rd, Water’s power increases to 1.5 times. Hidden Ability: Rain Dish: If Heavy Rain weather is in effect, recovers 1/16th max Hit Points at the end of the turn. (Double) Bulky Fake Out Blastoise @ Wacan Berry Calm Torrent/Rain Dish 196 Speed, 252 HP, 60 Special Defense Fake Out Scald Ice Beam Protect Blastoise is one of the few bulky Fake Out users, other than Scrafty. The difference in between Scrafty and Blastoise is that Blastoise has the ability to burn physical attacking threats with Scald, and tank them. Fake Out is needed, as that is the only reason to use it over other Scald users, such as Milotic who has more bulk and Special Attack. Ice Beam provides coverage against Dragon and Grass types, which Scald doesn't hit. Protect is needed for predictions and burn stalling. The item allows Blastoise to easily survive Electric attacks from things like Zapdos and Eelektross. The ability choice only matters if running a Rain team, but other Rain Fake Out users like Toxicroak and Ludicolo generally are better. 196 Speed EVs allows Blastoise to out speed neutral natured, max speed Hitmontop by one speed point. The rest are put into HP and Special Defense, and physical attacks Blastoise can easily shrug off. __________________ "We must treasure these (Unown), since they are us at our very core... ALSO, DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN MAKE WORDS OUT OF THEM? THAT'S PRETTY COOL!!!!!!!!"

Aug 31st, 2011, 10:07:05 PM	#2
cosmicexplorer pewpewpew Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,555 Bethesda, MD	Does Blastoise have anything over Ludicolo for a Fake Out user? It seems almost entirely outclassed. __________________ FATECRASHERS MADE MY AVATAR! Go look at more art! Currently out, college apps are poison. C&Cers, contact me if you need any help with anything important. Sorry!

Aug 31st, 2011, 10:07:50 PM	#3
Ashenlock Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 954 Drinking more Coca-Cola than all the polar bears combined.	Just curious, would Blastoise be able to survive a Thunderbolt from Zapdos/etc. anyway with those EVs? Because if it does survive, that means it would be a 2HKO either way. Also, before anybody suggests Water Spout, I don't think it's compatible with Fake Out. __________________ 441 D/Cs and counting, baby! The Jerk Store* <- For reference only Contrary to popular belief, this is not a compendium of people who disconnect on Wi-Fi. See: Seinfeld*, "The Comeback."

Aug 31st, 2011, 10:11:04 PM	#4
DreamTalon Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 186 Dallas, Texas	I think it can. It is rediculously bulky. EDIT: Refering to being 2HKOed by Thunderbolt from Zapdos. With Wacan, probably even 3HKO'd. Too lazy to calc though... __________________ "We must treasure these (Unown), since they are us at our very core... ALSO, DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN MAKE WORDS OUT OF THEM? THAT'S PRETTY COOL!!!!!!!!" Last edited by DreamTalon; Aug 31st, 2011 at 10:24:28 PM.

Aug 31st, 2011, 10:18:55 PM	#5
cosmicexplorer pewpewpew Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,555 Bethesda, MD	Water Spout is not compatible with Fake Out. __________________ FATECRASHERS MADE MY AVATAR! Go look at more art! Currently out, college apps are poison. C&Cers, contact me if you need any help with anything important. Sorry!

Aug 31st, 2011, 10:22:47 PM	#6
breh Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,938	I tried water spout a while back; it was too weak. __________________ VGC Regionals: VGC11 Top 16, VGC12 12th Place

Sep 1st, 2011, 6:55:02 PM	#8
DreamTalon Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 186 Dallas, Texas	I see. Does anyone have an EV spread to be 3HKO'd? I'm on a phone right now. __________________ "We must treasure these (Unown), since they are us at our very core... ALSO, DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN MAKE WORDS OUT OF THEM? THAT'S PRETTY COOL!!!!!!!!"

Sep 1st, 2011, 7:48:01 PM	#9
Infinity.Cypher Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 303 Can you face your fears?	252/252 Calm Blastoise is the best bet, but can be 2hkoed by 252 Non SpA+ Zapdos's Thunderbolt, even with Wacan equipped Here's the close non 252/252 I could find: 236hp/228def Calm 177 Atk vs 169 Def & 184 HP (95 Base Power): 57 - 67 (30.98% - 36.41%) Avg = 33.15% 252EV Non SpA+ Zapdos's Thunderbolt vs. Wacan 236/228 Calm Blastoise 177 Atk vs 169 Def & 184 HP (95 Base Power): 114 - 134 (61.96% - 72.83%) Avg = 66.30% 252EV Non SpA+ Zapdos's Thunderbolt vs. 236/228 Calm Blastoise If Zapdos hits average damage, then Blastoise will live with about ~2hp left. That's the best 3hko ev spread I can make without making the spread 252/252 __________________ ~VGC~ ~2011: Seniors~ ~2012: Masters~ ~My Youtube~

Sep 1st, 2011, 7:52:04 PM	#10
Moe2 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 17 Toronto, Canada	What is the purpose of fake-out on this set? If you don't mind me asking O.o __________________ *FC: 1722 2212 2529*

Sep 1st, 2011, 7:56:57 PM	#11
cosmicexplorer pewpewpew Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,555 Bethesda, MD	Fake Out is a staple move in Doubles play, as immobilizing the opponent for a turn is immeasurably useful. Further explanation on the benefits of the move in Doubles can be found here. __________________ FATECRASHERS MADE MY AVATAR! Go look at more art! Currently out, college apps are poison. C&Cers, contact me if you need any help with anything important. Sorry!

Sep 1st, 2011, 7:59:39 PM	#12
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Sep 1st, 2011, 10:46:26 PM	#13
DreamTalon Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 186 Dallas, Texas	Yeah probably the beat bet is to use Wacan and kill with partner. __________________ "We must treasure these (Unown), since they are us at our very core... ALSO, DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN MAKE WORDS OUT OF THEM? THAT'S PRETTY COOL!!!!!!!!"