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***Oglemi**** · Sep 21st, 2011, 12:09:08 PM

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Chieliee · Sep 21st, 2011, 12:54:03 PM

I've been running a Mandibuzz/Tangela/Claydol/Clefable defensive core. It works for everything except yanmega. (Clefable can't switch into speclens bug buzz when it's lower than 80%. I've been looking for improvements, but I haven't found one.

Can anyone give a suggestion?

edit: first post wooooot

Amarillo · Sep 21st, 2011, 1:21:14 PM

As you already have a generic Special Wall, I'll say not Munchlax (who gets forced to rest and become setup fodder anyways), or other Normal-type special walls for that matter. Lesser known checks include things like Specially Defensive Subroost Moltres, (which you might try, but requires SR off the field at all times), Eviolite Golbat (redundant with Mandibuzz) and Eviolite Lampent (which you might try--if you're spiking up like other defensive teams, you'll need a spinblocker-but it can't block the most common spinner in Blasty). All of them quad-resist Bug Buzz, and Air Slash is a lot weaker. The fact that you force it to Air Slash instead allows you to use Clefable with moderation as well-- still, they aren't perfect checks (aka, Air Flinch Hax). In fact, I don't think there is a single 'mon that you can throw out in front of Yanmega and not fear anything. But then, I might be missing something.

Chieliee · Sep 21st, 2011, 1:38:57 PM

Eviolite Lampent looks good, I'll try it. Thanks! Even though I only use SR on my team, SR is another way of checking Yanmega.

Twannes · Sep 21st, 2011, 2:08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Chieliee

Eviolite Lampent looks good, I'll try it. Thanks! Even though I only use SR on my team, SR is another way of checking Yanmega.

SpD Mandibuzz also checks Yanmega as my own mixed set even functions in tanking the hits provided that SR is gone on your own side of the field

Amire · Sep 21st, 2011, 3:16:47 PM

Will the cutoff between RU and NU be the same as the cutoff between the other tiers?

moonbound · Sep 21st, 2011, 5:46:25 PM

I'd say probopass is as good of a yanmega counter as any.

***Oglemi**** · Sep 21st, 2011, 7:01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Amire

Will the cutoff between RU and NU be the same as the cutoff between the other tiers?

It depends on what you mean by that. As far as I know the 3.41% will remain the cutoff point.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat moonbound

I'd say probopass is as good of a yanmega counter as any.

Only if Yanmega isn't using HP Ground (which most only do on a Specs set). But yes, I too am a fan of Probopass.

Pwnemon · Sep 21st, 2011, 8:01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Twannes

SpD Mandibuzz also checks Yanmega as my own mixed set even functions in tanking the hits provided that SR is gone on your own side of the field

clearly someone isn't considering that bravebird recoil will make you a suicide bomber, or that you become weak to Bug once you roost.

As for Mega counters, a quirky yet great one is Electrode. He gets soundproof, resists airslash, and outspeeds with electric typing.

Foxy Grandpa · Sep 21st, 2011, 8:05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Pwnemon

clearly someone isn't considering that bravebird recoil will make you a suicide bomber, or that you become weak to Bug once you roost.

As for Mega counters, a quirky yet great one is Electrode. He gets soundproof, resists airslash, and outspeeds with electric typing.

Some other good ones are
-SpD Roselia with Sludge Bomb or HP Rock
-Haven't tried it yet but Golbat could probably work
-Scarf Typhlosion is you double switch (which is pretty easy to predict)
-Mr. Mime because it's immune to Bug Buzz and has a good SpD stat

edit: Electrode is a check not a counter because it shouldn't be switching in on Specs Air Slash.

Amarillo · Sep 21st, 2011, 8:10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Foxy Grandpa

Some other good ones are
-SpD Roselia with Sludge Bomb or HP Rock
...

edit: Electrode is a check not a counter because it shouldn't be switching in on Specs Air Slash.

Talk about something that shouldn't be switching in on Specs Air Slash.
xD

Foxy Grandpa · Sep 21st, 2011, 8:12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Amarillo

Talk about something that shouldn't be switching in on Specs Air Slash.
xD

lol those are checks too :p.

Pwnemon · Sep 21st, 2011, 8:20:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Foxy Grandpa

Some other good ones are
-SpD Roselia with Sludge Bomb or HP Rock
-Haven't tried it yet but Golbat could probably work
-Scarf Typhlosion is you double switch (which is pretty easy to predict)
-Mr. Mime because it's immune to Bug Buzz and has a good SpD stat

edit: Electrode is a check not a counter because it shouldn't be switching in on Specs Air Slash.

Idk about you but the only Mega i've been seeing recently are Speed Boost

waterwarrior · Sep 21st, 2011, 8:31:49 PM

Guys, let's face it. SpecsLens is practically uncounterable, bar a few gimmicky pokes that have no real impact on the tier. Sure it has checks, but not many pokes can switch into a Bug Buzz/ Air Slash, whichever hits harder (which is really what you use to see if its a proper counter, i.e. Eviolite Roselia might be able to come in on Bug Buzz, but it can not come in on Air Slash, so it is not a formal counter, much like Gliscor is not a counter to, say, Specs Thundurus). And, going back to the definition of broken "Being able to sweep through a large amount of teams with relative ease," it does just that. Can we please stop asking "what counters Yanmega"

**Molk** · Sep 21st, 2011, 9:47:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat waterwarrior

Guys, let's face it. SpecsLens is practically uncounterable, bar a few gimmicky pokes that have no real impact on the tier. Sure it has checks, but not many pokes can switch into a Bug Buzz/ Air Slash, whichever hits harder (which is really what you use to see if its a proper counter, i.e. Eviolite Roselia might be able to come in on Bug Buzz, but it can not come in on Air Slash, so it is not a formal counter, much like Gliscor is not a counter to, say, Specs Thundurus). And, going back to the definition of broken "Being able to sweep through a large amount of teams with relative ease," it does just that. Can we please stop asking "what counters Yanmega"

munchlax says hi to the specs lens set and either phazes or sets up on it (i use curse :0 )

No Luck Involved · Sep 22nd, 2011, 7:16:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Foxy Grandpa

-Scarf Typhlosion is you double switch (which is pretty easy to predict)

Double switch? On a Yanmega? So you switch to your pivot (lol pivot against Yanmega) to find out what set it is running: If it is SB then you switch to Typhlosion and... it's outspeeding you. If it's TL then you switch to Typhlosion and... Typhlosion is OHKOed by a resisted attack... The word 'counter' is being used pretty loosely there.

Evio Golbat sounds interesting though; but I'm sceptical because all these bulky Flying types like Mandibuzz sound great on paper with recovery and phazing and support moves but they always disappoint because of Stealth Rock putting them in 2HKO range.

Twannes · Sep 22nd, 2011, 9:16:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Pwnemon

clearly someone isn't considering that bravebird recoil will make you a suicide bomber, or that you become weak to Bug once you roost.

As for Mega counters, a quirky yet great one is Electrode. He gets soundproof, resists airslash, and outspeeds with electric typing.

And clearly someone is considering that Toxicstalling can be used as well lol. Let's stop with these arguments already :D

No Luck Involved · Sep 22nd, 2011, 8:19:30 PM

Does anyone have any news on when the tiers are being updated?

**Molk** · Sep 22nd, 2011, 8:44:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat No Luck Involved

Does anyone have any news on when the tiers are being updated?

I'd like to know this to, does anyone know?

waterwarrior · Sep 22nd, 2011, 9:08:51 PM

Don't take my word for at, as I'm just guessing, but I believe that tiers will be updated after suspect voting for OU takes place, as they'll (probably) have to change the tiers to kick Thundurus/ Excadrill (Thundurus was almost banned last round, Excadrill has been suspect from the very beginning) out, and they'll also change up UU and RU while they're at it.

PrimeMinister · Sep 22nd, 2011, 9:29:38 PM

What makes mandibuzz so valuable? Also could I have some team suggestions?

**Molk** · Sep 22nd, 2011, 9:30:15 PM

Mence and skarm aren't RU

Chieliee · Sep 23rd, 2011, 1:24:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat kingcharizard

I am new to the world of competitive battling. Any team ideas? I know I am going to use salamence and skarmory.

lurk lurk lurkalurk

no i do not mean golurk

**Molk** · Sep 23rd, 2011, 7:20:30 AM

Would bulky DD eviolite scraggy be worth using?

zdrup15 · Sep 23rd, 2011, 7:32:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat No Luck Involved

Does anyone have any news on when the tiers are being updated?

Right now there is a discussion about this on Policy Review but unfortunately nothing has been decided.

@chieliee: golurk is amazing in RU

Sep 21st, 2011, 12:54:03 PM	#2
Chieliee Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,463	I've been running a Mandibuzz/Tangela/Claydol/Clefable defensive core. It works for everything except yanmega. (Clefable can't switch into speclens bug buzz when it's lower than 80%. I've been looking for improvements, but I haven't found one. Can anyone give a suggestion? edit: first post wooooot __________________ nyuu~ This is the world we live in And these are the hands we're given Use them and lets start trying To make it a place worth living in.

Sep 21st, 2011, 1:38:57 PM	#4
Chieliee Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,463	Eviolite Lampent looks good, I'll try it. Thanks! Even though I only use SR on my team, SR is another way of checking Yanmega. __________________ nyuu~ This is the world we live in And these are the hands we're given Use them and lets start trying To make it a place worth living in.

Sep 21st, 2011, 8:31:49 PM	#14
waterwarrior Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4,659 FREAKING UNICORNS ON FREAKING RAINBOWS	Guys, let's face it. SpecsLens is practically uncounterable, bar a few gimmicky pokes that have no real impact on the tier. Sure it has checks, but not many pokes can switch into a Bug Buzz/ Air Slash, whichever hits harder (which is really what you use to see if its a proper counter, i.e. Eviolite Roselia might be able to come in on Bug Buzz, but it can not come in on Air Slash, so it is not a formal counter, much like Gliscor is not a counter to, say, Specs Thundurus). And, going back to the definition of broken "Being able to sweep through a large amount of teams with relative ease," it does just that. Can we please stop asking "what counters Yanmega" __________________ CAP ASB <Engineer> dw you should come to america <Engineer> where you can eat burgers and get fat <Destiny_Warrior> 9.9 engi * kingofburgerz [~cgiirc@synIRC-43958468.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #capasb**

Sep 22nd, 2011, 9:08:51 PM	#20
waterwarrior Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4,659 FREAKING UNICORNS ON FREAKING RAINBOWS	Don't take my word for at, as I'm just guessing, but I believe that tiers will be updated after suspect voting for OU takes place, as they'll (probably) have to change the tiers to kick Thundurus/ Excadrill (Thundurus was almost banned last round, Excadrill has been suspect from the very beginning) out, and they'll also change up UU and RU while they're at it. __________________ CAP ASB <Engineer> dw you should come to america <Engineer> where you can eat burgers and get fat <Destiny_Warrior> 9.9 engi * kingofburgerz [~cgiirc@synIRC-43958468.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #capasb**

Sep 22nd, 2011, 9:29:38 PM	#21
PrimeMinister Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 311 After the DQonquest	What makes mandibuzz so valuable? Also could I have some team suggestions? Last edited by PrimeMinister; Oct 9th, 2011 at 11:35:35 PM.

Sep 21st, 2011, 1:21:14 PM	#3
Amarillo yellow! Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 713	As you already have a generic Special Wall, I'll say not Munchlax (who gets forced to rest and become setup fodder anyways), or other Normal-type special walls for that matter. Lesser known checks include things like Specially Defensive Subroost Moltres, (which you might try, but requires SR off the field at all times), Eviolite Golbat (redundant with Mandibuzz) and Eviolite Lampent (which you might try--if you're spiking up like other defensive teams, you'll need a spinblocker-but it can't block the most common spinner in Blasty). All of them quad-resist Bug Buzz, and Air Slash is a lot weaker. The fact that you force it to Air Slash instead allows you to use Clefable with moderation as well-- still, they aren't perfect checks (aka, Air Flinch Hax). In fact, I don't think there is a single 'mon that you can throw out in front of Yanmega and not fear anything. But then, I might be missing something.

Sep 21st, 2011, 3:16:47 PM	#6
Amire Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 47	Will the cutoff between RU and NU be the same as the cutoff between the other tiers?

Sep 21st, 2011, 5:46:25 PM	#7
moonbound Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 553 Let me teach you the secret of bodybuilding. First thing: Protein. Second thing: Protein.	I'd say probopass is as good of a yanmega counter as any.

Sep 22nd, 2011, 8:19:30 PM	#18
No Luck Involved Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,301	Does anyone have any news on when the tiers are being updated?

Sep 22nd, 2011, 9:30:15 PM	#22
Molk Recipe for disaster Moderator Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,237 Long Island	Mence and skarm aren't RU __________________ 16:46 <TLCNU> Esca literally is 2HKO'd by Stoutland Fire Fang 10:33 skylight molk put me in your sig

Sep 23rd, 2011, 7:20:30 AM	#24
Molk Recipe for disaster Moderator Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,237 Long Island	Would bulky DD eviolite scraggy be worth using? __________________ 16:46 <TLCNU> Esca literally is 2HKO'd by Stoutland Fire Fang 10:33 skylight molk put me in your sig