Sawk (Bulk Up) [QC 1/3]

Tomahawk9 · Apr 11th, 2012, 4:08:52 PM

[SET]
name: Bulk Up
move 1: Bulk Up
move 2: Close Combat
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Substitute / Taunt
item: Leftovers
nature: Jolly
ability: Sturdy
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
- Instead of spamming Close Combat, this set aims to attempt a sweep with Bulk Up's Attack boost boosting its Attack, and being able to switch moves so stuff like Drifblim and Altaria doesn't stop you.
- The greatest thing about this set is being able to set up on common switchins, and then go for a sweep after a couple of Bulk Ups. For example, Alomomola can't status and Waterfall can't break Sawk's Substitute after a Bulk Up. Misdreavus' Shadow Ball also doesn't 3HKO, and +2 Stone Edge 2HKOes Misdreavus after Stealth Rock, or at +3 without it.
- Close Combat is Sawk's best STAB move, Stone Edge provides the best coverage.
- Substitute vs Taunt depends on preference, Substitute prevents stuff like Rotom-S from revenge killing you, but Taunt makes sure you won't get statused unlike Substitute which will result in mindgames if the opponent can break the Sub in one hit.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
- Simple spread, Jolly nature is necessary for things like other Sawks, Skuntank, and Magmortar. You can invest more bulk but you'll miss the power.
- Leftovers for recovery as that lets it beat Misdreavus easier, also helps recovering from Sub damage. If you have Taunt, you could use Black Belt to bluff a Choice set.
- Quagsire beats this, might wanna use a Grass-type like Leafeon or Torterra.
- Musharna is annoying, Dark-types like Skuntank and Absol help with that.

Omicron · Apr 11th, 2012, 4:12:23 PM

Fuck why doesn't it get Drain Punch

FUUUU GAMEFREAK

Otherwise, pretty cool set.

You should probably mention that using Close Combat makes you lose your Defense boosts :/

QC APPROVED (1/3)

erisia · Apr 11th, 2012, 6:03:49 PM

I'd like to see some logs before I QC this; it looks like a good idea, but I don't know whether Sawk can reliably beat its common switch-ins like you state it can. It can get a Bulk Up as Misdreavus, Amoonguss, Vileplume, and Tangela switch in, and it can block a status attack with Substitute, but after this point, they'll just likely keep spamming special attacks until they go down, as they can all break Sawk's Substitutes (Alomomola is practically the only Sawk switch-in that uses physical attacks). This ensures that Sawk doesn't get to maintain a Substitute, leaving it to be revenge killed by a plethora of faster special attackers (and if Sawk's at low health, most physical attackers). Relying on Stone Edge's accuracy to beat Misdreavus also isn't ideal.

If Sawk uses Taunt instead, the same thing happens, except Sawk takes slightly more damage. And the set doesn't really help against Psychic types either.

I suppose this could be effective as a double-dragon strategy, where Sawk breaks through another pokemon's checks, and getting a free Bulk Up when the opponent switches to something other than a physical wall can also be helpful if you have Sturdy up, so I'm not going to reject this either.

On an unrelated note: I thought sets weren't being passed through QC until the current ones have been finished and uploaded?

NatGeo · Apr 11th, 2012, 6:07:59 PM

yeah what erisia said, except I'm rejecting this

QC Rejected 1/3

If you can find some tangible logs to show that this works outside of "surprise value", I will consider revoking this, but for the time being I don't think this set works.

shnen · Apr 11th, 2012, 6:10:01 PM

huh what I thought we weren't doing new sets for a few weeks

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat tennisace

I would also encourage anyone who wants to post new sets to again wait a couple weeks for the metagame to settle. And by encourage I mean you need to wait a couple of weeks.

tennisace · Apr 11th, 2012, 6:17:10 PM

both of the above posts are correct, and for when I do allow new revamps

QC Reject 2/3

giving bulky sets to frail pokemon????

also your teammates are WAY off base so I kind of suspect you haven't actually played NU much at all

erisia · Apr 11th, 2012, 6:21:05 PM

Alright, first QC Rejection then.

QC Rejected 3/3

Sorry bro. :/

***Zebraiken**** · Apr 11th, 2012, 6:26:18 PM

i really don't see what this has over CB sawk, who can just spam +1 attacks, and you'll be switching out of most of your counters like missy and such with this set as well, sooo

i guess this is over and out, then

(note @ everyone else: this does not mean you can post new sets please)

Apr 11th, 2012, 4:08:52 PM	#1
Tomahawk9 Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,439	Sawk (Bulk Up) [QC 1/3] [SET] name: Bulk Up move 1: Bulk Up move 2: Close Combat move 3: Stone Edge move 4: Substitute / Taunt item: Leftovers nature: Jolly ability: Sturdy evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe [SET COMMENTS] - Instead of spamming Close Combat, this set aims to attempt a sweep with Bulk Up's Attack boost boosting its Attack, and being able to switch moves so stuff like Drifblim and Altaria doesn't stop you. - The greatest thing about this set is being able to set up on common switchins, and then go for a sweep after a couple of Bulk Ups. For example, Alomomola can't status and Waterfall can't break Sawk's Substitute after a Bulk Up. Misdreavus' Shadow Ball also doesn't 3HKO, and +2 Stone Edge 2HKOes Misdreavus after Stealth Rock, or at +3 without it. - Close Combat is Sawk's best STAB move, Stone Edge provides the best coverage. - Substitute vs Taunt depends on preference, Substitute prevents stuff like Rotom-S from revenge killing you, but Taunt makes sure you won't get statused unlike Substitute which will result in mindgames if the opponent can break the Sub in one hit. [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] - Simple spread, Jolly nature is necessary for things like other Sawks, Skuntank, and Magmortar. You can invest more bulk but you'll miss the power. - Leftovers for recovery as that lets it beat Misdreavus easier, also helps recovering from Sub damage. If you have Taunt, you could use Black Belt to bluff a Choice set. - Quagsire beats this, might wanna use a Grass-type like Leafeon or Torterra. - Musharna is annoying, Dark-types like Skuntank and Absol help with that. __________________ C&C Work \| Smog Work Last edited by Tomahawk9; Apr 11th, 2012 at 4:36:57 PM.

Apr 11th, 2012, 4:12:23 PM	#2
Omicron Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,041 Seattle, WA	Fuck why doesn't it get Drain Punch FUUUU GAMEFREAK Otherwise, pretty cool set. You should probably mention that using Close Combat makes you lose your Defense boosts :/ QC APPROVED (1/3) __________________

Apr 11th, 2012, 6:03:49 PM	#3
erisia (macho) brace yourselves Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 854	I'd like to see some logs before I QC this; it looks like a good idea, but I don't know whether Sawk can reliably beat its common switch-ins like you state it can. It can get a Bulk Up as Misdreavus, Amoonguss, Vileplume, and Tangela switch in, and it can block a status attack with Substitute, but after this point, they'll just likely keep spamming special attacks until they go down, as they can all break Sawk's Substitutes (Alomomola is practically the only Sawk switch-in that uses physical attacks). This ensures that Sawk doesn't get to maintain a Substitute, leaving it to be revenge killed by a plethora of faster special attackers (and if Sawk's at low health, most physical attackers). Relying on Stone Edge's accuracy to beat Misdreavus also isn't ideal. If Sawk uses Taunt instead, the same thing happens, except Sawk takes slightly more damage. And the set doesn't really help against Psychic types either. I suppose this could be effective as a double-dragon strategy, where Sawk breaks through another pokemon's checks, and getting a free Bulk Up when the opponent switches to something other than a physical wall can also be helpful if you have Sturdy up, so I'm not going to reject this either. On an unrelated note: I thought sets weren't being passed through QC until the current ones have been finished and uploaded? __________________ Check out Slowmons: A new metagame where the slowest Pokémon moves first!

Apr 11th, 2012, 6:07:59 PM	#4
NatGeo ♭ Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,426 ♯	yeah what erisia said, except I'm rejecting this QC Rejected 1/3 If you can find some tangible logs to show that this works outside of "surprise value", I will consider revoking this, but for the time being I don't think this set works. __________________

Apr 11th, 2012, 6:17:10 PM	#6
tennisace RIDE OR DIE MOTHERFUCKERS ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,240	both of the above posts are correct, and for when I do allow new revamps QC Reject 2/3 giving bulky sets to frail pokemon???? also your teammates are WAY off base so I kind of suspect you haven't actually played NU much at all __________________ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ

Apr 11th, 2012, 6:21:05 PM	#7
erisia (macho) brace yourselves Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 854	Alright, first QC Rejection then. QC Rejected 3/3 Sorry bro. :/ __________________ Check out Slowmons: A new metagame where the slowest Pokémon moves first!

Apr 11th, 2012, 6:26:18 PM	#8
*Zebraiken am i the only one i know? Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2,178 shine ∞ Mentor	i really don't see what this has over CB sawk, who can just spam +1 attacks, and you'll be switching out of most of your counters like missy and such with this set as well, sooo i guess this is over and out, then (note @ everyone else: this does not mean you can post new sets please) __________________