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May 1st, 2012, 10:04:49 AM
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Dream World April 2012 Stats
Dream World OU: Rated
Dream World OU: Lead Usage
Dream World OU: 1337 Stats
DW OU: Metagame Analysis
Moveset statistics (including 1337 stats) Tyranitar still remains untouched in the Dream World OU Rated and 1337 Stats. Will banning Chandelure essentially lower its overall usage? Or are Garchomp, Excadrill, Gliscor, Landorus and Terrakion just too god damn good under Sand? Discuss. Last edited by mostwanted; May 1st, 2012 at 1:46:34 PM. Reason: added the Metagame Analysis |
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May 1st, 2012, 10:53:20 AM
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Sand, sand everwhere. I swear sand is DW's volt-turn. Good to see ninetails on the rise although sun took a major blow with the banning of blaziken.
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May 1st, 2012, 12:44:28 PM
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Im fairly sure the new players came from the fact that DW is the supposed future of standard OU, so people want to know what OU will be like to have an advantage over anybody who never played DW. Its also more fun because of no volt-turn
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Yeah, it seemed rather strange until I looked at the stats for the other tiers. It's not just DW, there's been a massive surge in players in every tier, with tiers like NU having triple the amount of battles.
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May 1st, 2012, 12:54:25 PM
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Actually the DW ladder doubled in players as I remember when it had fewer than 10,000, suddenly it is the closest metagame to 20,000 users with the exception of OU. This is impressive to say the very least.
I don't know if Landorus and Gliscor are too good for sand in Dream World, but Garchomp may leave our thoughts to be heard for the next suspect test. Even Chandelure, who can dismantle the very "core" of teams, is not guaranteed to OHKO Garchomp; both these Pokemons' mystique in any given match is worth noting for the future because they are unpredictable, in a case-by-case scenario. In hindsight they both provide sand with a lot of support, considering that Breloom's position is justified in some way by Excadrill's credentials, despite the popularity of Chandelure in the normal OU statistics. You find yourself relying on Breloom to save yourself out of desperate situations time and time again. Essentially this and the fact it wouldn't be very effective if you were to equip your Politoed/Ninetales with Shed Shell,as in doing so you're restraining their universal capabilities as a weather starter. Lastly, Tyranitar dominating both ladders is the clear indication that sand is practical Dream World unless you are a skillful/creative team-builder. On to Manaphy, I am dissapointed some comments claiming how it's so deadly yet its place in these stats don't stand out well enough to justify those statements. The same goes for Thundurus, being at 70 & 50th in the DW statistics is playing with my mind.
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May 1st, 2012, 1:22:06 PM
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Added the Metagame Analysis and Moveset Statistics to the OP.
Dream World OU: Metagame Analysis Code:
Sand : 62.7% Rain : 22.7% Weatherless : 7.3% Hail : 5.0% Sun : 1.8% Multi weather : 0.5% Last edited by mostwanted; May 1st, 2012 at 1:36:04 PM. |
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May 1st, 2012, 1:36:54 PM
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I can't believe Hail is being used more than Sun...
Granted I didn't battle much this month, but seriously? Sun should beat hail nearly every time :/ This month's goal: Make sun higher than hail usage xD
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In all seriousness, can't believe sand is taking up so much of the metagame, over 60% is way too much for a metagame
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May 1st, 2012, 4:27:46 PM
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I use keldio and breloom on my team between the two of them they stop sandstorm very eaisly and I put a shed shell on my breloom so chandelure does not trap him that beats the the most common sand pokemon other than celebi but genesect is popluar so its not that common the only thing about sand that I hate is sand veil soooo much ive lost many games when I missed the winning hit on noobchomp I really think that sand veil needs to be banned garchomp himself is manageable but the chanse of missing 100% accurate moves make him that much better
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May 1st, 2012, 4:37:26 PM
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It's pretty predictable that Sun would fall. Especially with the banning of Blaziken, I expect it to be used even less by next month...
Thanks for the stats, Antar (and mostwanted for posting them)! Abomasnow is a cool mon; I wish Regice would get used a little more, haha. It's not incredibly good but it still has a unique niche in Dream World. Also, who is using Aerodactyl leads? And why do people insist on leading with Ninetales; no wonder Sun is doing so poorly. Also, Deoxys-S skimming in at #42 is surprising. I'd expect to see a lot more usage out of it.
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May 1st, 2012, 5:04:23 PM
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Chandelure usage dropping as I predicted it would, excellent.
Sand has been the most dominant weather since gen 3, I don't know why that's a surprise to anyone. It looks like the metagame is quite balanced.
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only teams i see on higher rating is tyranitar+SalacSDChomp now.
and for a good reason. thanks for those that gave us stats!
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| Move | 20.9 | Hurricane |
This is on Volcarona by the way. While not the dominant set, looks like Rain Volc is getting enough love, which is nice. However, | Move | 11.6 | Fire Blast | This does pain me. Why would you NOT run Fire Blast on Volcarona? I understand the bulky set, but you're running offensive (which is the second most common set), you should ALWAYS Fire Blast!
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Agreeing with that. There is absolutely no reason not to run Fire Blast on Modest LO Volc. Hi Terrakion, you're OHKOed in the sun at +1 after rocks. You too Chandelure. Ohai Blissey. Why yes, I would like to 2HKO you at +1, thank you.
Of course, Ditto does exist, so while straight-up offensive Volc is my favorite Volc set I'm more inclined to run Sub Volc in Dream World.
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Actually I don't think Tyranitar being able to beat Chandelure is the main reason why sand is by far the most common weather. Garchomp and Excadrill are, as well as Landorus and Gliscor to a lesser extent. Garchomp and Excadrill are beasts, really powerful sweepers and they're Uber in Standard for a reason. Garchomp's SubSD set is really hard to counter, as well as Excadrill's Life Orb set (use Adamant LO people! 2HKOing Skarmory with Rock Slide is awesome). Also, I think that Tyranitar is really the only weather starter that you can slap on a team to prevent other weathers such as rain and sun from ruining you: Politoed and Ninetales are kinda bad and can't stop one of the two dangerous weathers, Hippowdon is good but underrated, and Abomasnow isn't really that good either. Tyranitar still has those great base stats and movepool, and trapping Chandelure is just a bonus.
Also, I'm really confused by that metagame analysis. Tyranitar's usage says 17.423% but sand teams are 62.7%?? That looks really weird to me. |
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May 7th, 2012, 2:21:20 PM
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Sub Volcarona is by far its best set. It can easily set up on a number of things, even Blissey / Chansey, with Toxic Spikes support. A sun-boosted +1 Fire Blast can OHKO almost anything that doesn't resist it, while it 2HKOes crazy stuff like Multiscale Dragonite. Since the banning of Blaziken, I can guarantee that Volcarona will replace it as the prime sun sweeper outside of chlorophyll users like Venusaur.
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May 8th, 2012, 10:55:30 PM
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yeah well its surprising to see manaphy and thundurus so low when theyre stupidly deadly even without the rain. people seems pretty scared about chandelure when building a team (and a really legit reason for it...) and then ttar becomes the top preference, on top of that he can abuse things such as chomp and exca to full potential while being less vulnerable to chandy. then both "reasons" for sand being so high connect together and its the "safe bet" for a more solid DW team anyway.
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May 8th, 2012, 11:04:53 PM
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am i the only who uses hippowdon?
i use a specially defensive hippowdon with 28 def EVs just to activate an attack boost on genesect. i got to #14 with this hippowdon and is a great lure to keldeo, and other stuff. especially chandelure. scarf chandelure doesnt even 2hko me.
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