Heil King Victini! (Peaked #22)

Man, this team is awesome. I don't really have much to add, besides that I'm going to try it ASAP. The only thing I feel suggesting is to alter your Genesect EV spread to outspeed Venusaur in Sun (since winning the weather war is always tricky, and you're better be prepared in case you don't), although you'd need quite a bit of EV to do so. A spread of 52 HP / 252 SpA / 204 Spe can do the trick while retaining some bulk. It also gets the jumop on annoying things that may create problems if you can't get off a boost, like Adamant Lucario, Dragonite or Mamoswine.

Good luck, and hope I helped somewhat!

I would say Bolt Strike over Fusion Bolt thanks to the Japanese event, but PS! still says it's illegal.

Organization Member XIV said:

I would say Bolt Strike over Fusion Bolt thanks to the Japanese event, but PS! still says it's illegal.

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It's only allowed if he uses a Lax nature, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to do that at all.

The event starts on the 25th so I think it will be only legal from then on. From what I read on the Victini thread the Lax nature isn't fully confirmed yet.

Man this team is perfect! Best hail team I've ever seen. I do feel like having 4 choice users is kinda scary but its too hard to pick which one to give up, just a thought though. Anyways amazing team and loved the descriptions, lol. Luvdisc'd.

Ingenious

Your Starmie entry made me laugh

Between Abomasnow's Ice Shard, Scarf V, and Starmie, you have quite a few threats checked well. There is one mon that is not covered by conventional checks and that's Scarf Keldeo. This foul pony literally 2HKOs all of your mons. Rotom-W and Starmie are your only hope, but one Secret Sword and Rotom-W can't switch anymore, and Starmie cannot take 2 Hydro Pumps with minimal defensive investment (okay it can with min damage roll, but then it will die to Hail). Abomasnow tanks HPump like a champ, but not after taking a Secret Sword. Simply put, messing with Scarf Keldeo is risky business for your team, and you really ought to have such a big threat covered better.

I suggest a bulkier Rotom-W spread with Leftovers. Make Rotom-W your bulky pivot for your team that can tank hits and Volt Switch out to your sweepers. I suggest 248 HP / 56 Def / 112 SpA / 92 SpD; Bold Nature. Those defensive investment ensures that Secret Sword and Hydro Pump wont 2HKO after Rocks in Hail and Rain, respectively. Replace Trick with Thunder Wave or Thunderbolt, both crippling to Scarf Keldeo. The former two are nice to cripple CM Latias while TB is a solid option against Water-types that may be troublesome for this team (Abomasnow doesn't like getting burned; Terrakion and Victini are weak to Water; Starmie and Genesect does not hit hard enough).

Finally, please consider Expert Belt on Abomasnow. You seem to favor Abomasnow's bulk (to tank Genesect's U-turns x_x), so I wont tell you to go mixed. However, being choiced-locked into Ice Shard, Wood Hammer, or even Earthquake is one of the easiest way to lose a lot of momentum. With EB, the decrease in power is notable, but the ability to preserve offensive pressure after using Ice Shard, etc makes it all worth it. You can keep Ice Punch for Latias, but Focus Punch is nice to nail Ferrothorn and Scizor hard on the switch. Leech Seed is a nice middle ground, too, sapping health from Latias and Scizor to make their lives a bit harder.

I hope my rate isn't off the mark, and best of success to this boss team!

hey nigs thanks a ton! i had to fukin rewrite this whole thing cus i accidentally clicked the back button man what is this shit

ganj4lF
hey homes thanks a lot. it is a fun team and u should definitely give it a test run. tell me how it goes my man. yo anyway i dont really have a reason to change my evs on genesect and i have many reasons why. first of all, if sun is up, then my opponent will most likely still have ninetales alive. think about it. ninetales cannot even be touched by my whole moveset. even if i manage to get a rock polish up against a sun team..... (lol) when sun is up (lol...........) venusaur wont be switching in since 1) it has to be timid to outspeed pretty much every rock polish genesect in existence and 2) theyre obviously just going to switch out to a fire type to take any move they fukin want. timid venusaur is common.. but so is modest. and people arent going to send their venusaur in on a +2 genesect since it obviously outspeeds in the first place... think of common pokemon on sun teams: ninetales, victini, heatran, volcarona, cresselia. all of these can safely switch into and wall my genesect so i highly doubt people will try to outspeed with venusaur not knowing my ev spread. also do the damage calcs with ur suggested spread and my spread for a fight gem breloom... look at the differnce. that can be the difference between a sweep and a fail all to outspeed a risky player's timid venusaur in sun??? i need the extra hp especially cus i get hit by hail and can be worn down quite a bit. i cant kill stoutland either so im not going to set up a rock polish if i see a healthy one so thats out of the question. not investing for any of that especially when i can take a scarf terrakions close combat after hazards and rock polish on it. also for the pokemon you suggested... dragonite mamoswine and lucario. genesect always outspeeds all of them unless ur using my spread so i doubt theyre going to stay in against it. or if they do theyre probably going to use their priority moves to get off damage before they die to take out genesect later. its how games are actually played. thats a thing i see with a lot of team raters they just look at speeds and stuff when in reality the stuff that outspeeds it arent going to stay in anyway. im not sure if they take into account the psyche in a game or not cus that makes a big difference. like is dragonite going to use fire punch on a genesect after it takes hail damage or switch into chansey or what the fuck ever? ummm i pick the second answer because who in their right mind would let a dragonite die so easily. plus very few people even use jolly dragonite. ive also seen a lot more adamant mamoswines too which genesect outspeeds. lucario would just die if it close combatted a normal genesect... but despite what ive said i have to thank you for taking the time 2 rate my team homes! i actually want to thank you for making me list reasons not to outspeed timid venusaur since now i realize i like my set more. so yeah thanks a lot for that nig

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ummm like the person below u said lax nature makes victini increase defense and decrease special defense which 1) makes genesect outspeed and ohko with bug buzz or thunder cus it now gets special attack boosts and 2) makes me a lot slower i cant outspeed scarf genesect, volcarona, deoxysd after a speed drop (vcreate 2shots), and other stuff like jirachi who might be scarf. i lose all that for 30 base power more and less accuracy??? uh no i dont think so.

gengarsnemisis
thanks for the compliment my man. also i dont see a problem with 4 choice users all that happens is that my team is faster and more powerful. plus if someone sends in a check or counter to my pokemon im going to switch out anyway... choiced or not... if i remove the scarf on victini i lose my speed, if i remove the band on terrakion i cant break stall, if i remove the specs on rotom i cant cripple chansey which is an annoying bitch nor can i kill a lot of stuff, if i remove the band on abomasnow i lose out on a lot of ice shard kills like thundurus-t or dragonite and i cant hit anything as hard.... therefore i think choice items are good for this team. and some people use 6 choice items which is still functional just saying

Pocket
as the prime user of this team i can tell u that ur right scarf keldeo can be a problem but like u said i have things to deal with it. i have starmie, rotom, abomasnow, to resist water and starmie and victini to deal with fighting so predicting is important. i doubt someone is going to hydro pump my abomasnow.... so i can pretty much safely go into victini and uturn out. otherwise theyd risk dying LOL especially when it can be an annoying little shit to the team.

ok about abomasnow im going to definitely try that yeah... well i mean its nice to kill stuff with ice shard like for example thundurus t after some hail damage otherwise abomasnow will die to focus blast and then it becomes harder to take out. same with earthquake which 2hkos genesect after hail so yeah.. expert belt really loses out on a lot of power since earthquake isnt super effective on a lot of stuff. i used to have focus punch on my abomasnow for ferrothorn switches from stuff like politoed but the problem was i couldnt kill ninetales reliably. also the bulk helps me against rotom which can be annoying... not genesect haha. i mean its just a plus that abomasnow can live a genesect uturn.

aye so on rotom i really like specs to be able to kill jellicents that try to recover after they take a volt switch and a lot of stuff. the specs is also my most powerful special move on the team so i kinda need it a lot and yeah i mean trick is rly important for dealing with chansey or other stall pokemon. chansey just switches out of terrakion and victini anyway... and switches into rotom a lot so its nice to be able to take it out without shoving needles up my ass. i may try out leech seed on abomasnow cus it helps with winning the weather war n shit. so ye thanks but that rotom hinders the effectiveness of the team and i have a lot to cover scarf keldeo which almost all my pokemon except genesect and terrakion can cover...


ok well thanks nigs i definitely learned a lot and i hope you did too about the game. peace out

Just a quick question: Why doesnt your team have Stealth Rock? I played with an Uber CCAT team in which hazards were banned. It was very difficult to play.Try replacing either X-Scissor or Earthquake on Terrakion for Stealth Rock.

Hey Dragonfruit, nice team!

There really isn't much wrong with this team, other than maybe Scarf Keldeo as Pocket pointed out. You mentioned most of your mons can handle it, and while that's true, none of them can switch in more than once, and you have to make risky predicts almost everytime. Not only that, but Keldeo has a pretty easy time coming in, it can come in on Victini, Abomasnow, Terrakion, and pretty much the rest of your team if they are weakened. To be honest, outside of Pocket's suggestions, changing your team too much or making very small suggestions that would help minorly, I don't see a good way to fix this weakness. I guess I'm going to the helping the weakness minorly route.

First of all, Starmie really dosen't need max speed, all that speed only really lets you speed tie with opposing Starmie. This is completely irrelevant because not only is a situation where speed tying with opposing Starmie is both a good idea incredibly rare, but you don't even have anything to hit it for even neutral damage anyway. Because of these reasons, I suggest a spread of 40 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 212 Spd. With this spread you still outspeed base 110s such as Lati@s, Espeon, and Gengar, while gaining some nice extra bulk. Coincidentally, this spread guarentees you survive 2 Hydro Pumps from Keldeo from any weather other than rain, very slightly mitigating your keldeo problem.

Finally, I really think Quick Attack is superior to X-Scissor on Choice Band Terrakion. Quick Attack is a nice form of priority, and it gives you an emergency answer to sweepers barreling through your team, as well as troublesome faster pokemon like weakened Scarf Keldeo. X-Scissor gives you no real coverage outside of things you already hit with your dual STABs. I know you said you like hitting Lati@s with more accuracy, but it's usually a much better choice to go for the Stone Edge, as it has much better coverage in case thwy switch to something else. I understand X-Scissor does a heap to Celebi, but Celebi, as well as almost everything else that's weak to bug, are alot more rare in this meta due to the prevalence Genesect.

Anyway, I hope this rate helped and GL with the team! Luvdisc'd :)

Wasss GUUUCCCCCi doe Dragonfruit, this sure is a cool team u got therr.
First of all Victini is OUT HERR and ohkos everything and is generally a great early game thrasher. Band Oboma is tight and vetoes dragons like legislature. Spex Rotomney's usage definitely suggests hes in the 1%. HOWEVER rp lando poses a huge threat to the team once the president gets assassinated, which is pretty likely with the sand threats running around like the Tarliban and Terrorakion. Starmie being pursuitable doesnt help either. Therefore, i would suggest making Rotom the standard middle class sp def variant to serve as a more reliable pivot and check lando better (albeit not 100%). That way you have 1 hard check and 1 emergency counter to something that would sweep your team otherwise. That also remedies your tiny sub gyarados weakness, since i doubt you'd want to lose coverage on starmie with tbolt. Otherwise the team is ballin out here, so PROPS yo this here be givvin ninjas problems.

edit: o yea vic is scarfed right so its good lategame too! hehe
Also, rotom helps v keld once starmie gets pursuited, since starmie has no recovery it relieves pressure.

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Hey,

This is a pretty solid team and there are very few weaknesses. Like other users have pointed out, Scarf Keldeo looks a bit troubling to face. Your team also lacks Stealth Rocks. The second is a pretty crucial thing in this metagame, and its often best to put it on your team, even if you don't always use it. Its always nice to have the possibility of laying rocks down, and for this reason I would suggest putting Stealth Rock > Earthquake on Scarf Terrakion. Without changing your Pokemon, which I would be opposed to doing, Terrakion is really the only Pokemon who can lay rocks. Earthquake is also rarely used, and just having the possibility of rocks can be helpful. Also to help deal with your weakness to Scarf Keldeo I would really take Pocket's suggestion of a bulky Rotom-W. This will give your team a lot more bulk, and will help a lot vs opposing rain teams, taking pressure off of Abomasnow. Anyways great team, gl.

Hey Dragonfruit awesome team and well written as well, your rmt is quite funny.

Looking at this team i can't really find to much problems with it seeing as the team is quite solid and you have already gotten some good advice. However a major flaw in your team is that it lacks the move Stealth Rock. As you probally know Stealth Rock is the most important move in the game because it halves Volcaronas health and breaks Dragonites Multiscale, while also just being able to damage your opponents pokemon, break Focus Sashes and break Sturdys. Volcarona also does look quite threatening to your team especially the offensive Life Orb varaint with Giga Drain / Fire Blast / Bug Buzz / Quiver Dance. Volcarona outspeeds your whole team at +1 barring Victini who he speed ties with, and can hit 5 out of 6 of your pokemon super effectively. It can also exploit Terrakions, Starmies, and Rotom-Ws Grass-type weakness by using Giga Drain to keep itself healthy. Volcarona can get a Quiver Dance on Genesect if its not at +2 and Abomasnow, especially if he is locked into Ice Shard, Ice Punch or Wood Hammer. So your team not having Stealth Rock doesn't really help your Volcarona weakness.

To help give your team a good user of Stealth Rock and a great Volcarona counter i suggest Heatran>Terrakion Heatran provides your team with the necassary Stealth Rock to help your team wear down your opponents pokemon as well as halve Volcaronas health and break Dragonites Multiscale. With his useful typing Heatran not only resists all of offensive Quiver Dance Volcronas moves, but also provides your team with a good check to sun as well which is huge for a hail team. Heatran is also no slouch offensively letting it make up for the loss of Terrakion. With base 130 SpA and good coverage in Fire Blast, Earthpower, Hidden Power [Ice], Heatran can capatalise on your volt turn core and hail damage wearing the opponent down. Heatran also has very similar resists and weaknesses then Terrakion so he is an easy fit on your team. Although without Terrakion you do miss out on some physical offense, Victini and Abomasnow are still two great physical attackers so you should have little trouble with the pink blobs. Abomasnow also already provides the role of a Choice Band user, and having 4 Choiced-item pokemon on a team can be problematic if your opponent has a user of Protect or offensive pokemon that can capatalise on pokemon locked into a move (like Volcarona).

Good luck with the team i hope i helped! p.s i was the first person to Luvdisc and i nominated you for the TotW ;)

Edit: Peaked 22 with 22 Luvdiscs is pretty cool to might i add ;)

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Finally, someone else who agrees that the little bitch called Victini should be used more.
I would actually recommend Bolt Strike over Fusion Bolt. The event does NOT require Lax nature, so you can use any nature with it. Therefore, all one needs to do is replace Bolt Strike over Fusion Bolt.

Otherwise, fabu team.

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I would say Bolt Strike over Fusion Bolt thanks to the Japanese event, but PS! still says it's illegal.

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Blinder said:

Finally, someone else who agrees that the little bitch called Victini should be used more.
I would actually recommend Bolt Strike over Fusion Bolt. The event does NOT require Lax nature, so you can use any nature with it. Therefore, all one needs to do is replace Bolt Strike over Fusion Bolt.

Otherwise, fabu team.

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Yes, now my suggestion isn't utter garbage. So yeah, re-recommending Bolt Strike over Fusion Bolt.

This is an amazing team i will deff be trying it on PO great job ur amazing