CAP Revision - Syclant: Final thread

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eric the espeon

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Previous thread: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48109

We have now finished Syclant's revision process, here is what has been decided on:

Our new stat spread for Syclant is:
70 / 116 / 70 / 114 / 65 / 115

Movepool:
- Scratch
- Leer
- Leech Life
7 Leech Life
10 Ice Shard
14 Knock Off
18 Slash
23 Bite
29 Swords Dance
32 X-Scissor
40 Night Slash
49 Ice Fang
55 Bug Buzz
64 Sheer Cold

Removed:
Thunder fang
Fire fang
Focus Energy

Added:
Scratch
Swords Dance (Already a TM)
Ice Fang

Moved:
Ice Shard (From Lv. - to Lv. 10)
Icy Wind (To Tutor moves)
Ice Punch (to Tutor moves)

TMs/HMs
TM 03 Water Pulse
TM 06 Toxic
TM 07 Hail
TM 10 Hidden Power
TM 12 Taunt
TM 13 Ice Beam
TM 14 Blizzard
TM 15 Hyper Beam
TM 17 Protect
TM 18 Rain Dance
TM 19 Giga Drain
TM 21 Frustration
TM 27 Return
TM 28 Dig
TM 31 Brick Break
TM 32 Double Team
TM 39 Rock Tomb
TM 40 Aerial Ace
TM 41 Torment
TM 42 Facade
TM 43 Attract
TM 44 Secret Power
TM 45 Attract
TM 46 Thief
TM 51 Roost
TM 54 False Swipe
TM 56 Fling
TM 58 Endure
TM 60 Drain Punch
TM 62 Silver Wind
TM 65 Shadow Claw
TM 66 Payback
TM 68 Giga Impact
TM 70 Flash
TM 72 Avalanche
TM 75 Swords Dance
TM 78 Captivate
TM 80 Rock Slide
TM 81 X-Scissor
TM 82 Sleep Talk
TM 83 Natural Gift
TM 84 Poison Jab
TM 87 Swagger
TM 89 U-Turn
TM 90 Substitute
HM 01 Cut
HM 04 Strength
HM 06 Rock Smash
Removals:
Light Screen
Reflect
Steel Wing
Focus Blast
Embargo
Flash Cannon
Fly

Added:
Giga Drain

Egg Moves
Earth Power
Counter
Air Slash
Crunch
Tail Glow
Metal Claw (Scizor)

Removed:
Super Power
Spikes

Added:
Metal Claw


Tutor moves
Air Cutter
Fury Cutter
Ice Punch
Icy Wind
Knock Off
Swift
Bounce
Earth Power
Mud Slap
Signal Beam
Snore

All new or moved form another part of its movepool.

Note that move legality has now changed.
If someone could go over it it would be good.



Also just testing the waters here but who thinks we should sort out 'ants dex entry's?

Dex Entry 1: "The icicles on SYCLANT's back grow bigger as it gets older, the older a SYCLANT is the longer the icicles are. The icicles are 100x stronger than any POKEMON's bone and razor sharp."

Dex Entry 2: "Wild SYCLANTs are very aggressive, so much so that they live alone. They train by breaking apart large glaciers."

Dex Entry 3: "Wild SYCLANT are fearsome predators. Even in harsh blizzards they can quickly chase down their prey with stunning agility. Should a DELIBIRD find itself near a colony, it would be swarmed almost immediately."


So what effects will these changes have on Syclant's use?
 
Movepool:
- Scratch
- Leer
- Leech Life
7 Leech Life
10 Ice Shard
14 Knock Off
18 Slash
23 Bite
29 Swords Dance
32 X-Scissor
40 Night Slash
49 Ice Fang
55 Bug Buzz
64 Sheer Cold

Removed:
Thunder fang
Fire fang
Focus Energy

Added:
Scratch
Swords Dance (Already a TM)

Moved:
Ice Shard (From Lv. - to Lv. 10)
Icy Wind (To Tutor moves)
You forgot to add Ice Punch to the removed list and Ice Fang to the Added list.
 
Also just testing the waters here but who thinks we should sort out 'ants dex entry's?

Dex Entry 1: "The icicles on SYCLANT's back grow bigger as it gets older, the older a SYCLANT is the longer the icicles are. The icicles are 100x stronger than any POKEMON's bone and razor sharp."

Dex Entry 2: "Wild SYCLANTs are very aggressive, so much so that they live alone. They train by breaking apart large glaciers."

Dex Entry 3: "Wild SYCLANT are fearsome predators. Even in harsh blizzards they can quickly chase down their prey with stunning agility. Should a DELIBIRD find itself near a colony, it would be swarmed almost immediately."
Perhaps 2 can be changed to something like "Wild Adult SYCLANTs are very aggressive, which causes them to live alone. They train by breaking apart large glaciers." Or something of that sort.

iirc i submitted the 3rd dex entry o_o
 
I'd imagine we do the dex entries because flavor matters to some people?

Take away flavor, and you're left with chess.
 
Like these projects don't have enough flavor, the Art is there for that and unlike Pokedex it has actual interest and doesn't stop the momentum of the projects every single time.
 

eric the espeon

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You forgot to add Ice Punch to the removed list and Ice Fang to the Added list.
Fixing.

And the question of if we should continue doing Dex entry's is for another thread.
What is needed for this thread is to know if we should sort out an existing conflicting dex entry.

Edit: Also the analysis is going to need a rewrite from all these changes.
 
How about something like this?;

Dex Entry 2: Wild SYCLANT become even more aggressive as they get older and eventually leave their colonies. Lost travellers have often reported seeing them training alone on the scenery.
 

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I think the matter eric is trying to highlight is that one dex entry says they live alone, whereas the other says they live in a colony. But if Dex entries don't matter at all and are going to be stopped soon then I don't see this as any cause for concern.

The new spread and nerfed movepool seem a lot more sensible competitively. And without Focus Blast and Superpower, this thing might not be as overpowering as it used to be with the loss of Fighting's excellent coverage.

Eric, you might want to remove the bit about the Pokedex entries so that people actually focus on the stuff that matters, instead of saying how the dex entry should be changed.

LR.
 

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How's about:
Dex Entry 1: When SYCLANTs are born, the icicles on their backs are rounded and smooth. Years of fighting other SYCLANTs whittle them down to razor-sharp points.
 
if everyone is so deadset on having something as useless dex entries in our process, as least remember that plural pokemon names are the same as singular pokemon names. One Blissey, Two Blissey.
 

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if everyone is so deadset on having something as useless dex entries in our process, as least remember that plural pokemon names are the same as singular pokemon names. One Blissey, Two Blissey.
My bad, just going off the first post *points at Dex Entry 2*
 
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