Uxie (Weather Support)

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The Cicada

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[SET]
name: Weather Support
move 1: Rain Dance / Sunny Day
move 2: Memento / U-turn / Heal Bell
move 3: Psychic
move 4: Stealth Rock
item: Damp Rock / Heat Rock
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 32 Def / 224 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Uxie's outstanding defensive stats allow it to switch into many common attacks with relative ease, while its high Speed stat allows it to outpace opposing Pokemon and use Rain Dance or Sunny Day before taking a hit. Memento allows Uxie to sacrifice its life so that the team's Swift Swim or Chlorophyll sweeper can switch in with much less risk. Using U-turnallows Uxie to switch to your sweepers while staying healthyto replenish weather later in the game. Using Heal Bell lets Uxie givesweepers who are afflicted by status a second chance at sweeping. Psychic prevents Uxie from being complete Taunt bait, and stops Pokemon such as Mismagius, Rotom, and Rhyperior from setting up an easy Substitute. Uxie can use either Rain Dance and Damp Rock, or Sunny Day and Heat Rock; the choice between the two depends on your team.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Uxie's job is to set up either Rain Dance or Sunny Day, so Pokemon with Swift Swim or Chlorophyll are required to take advantage of the weather Uxie sets up. Fire-types are also good teammates if Uxie is using Sunny Day. In the last slot, if you have another Stealth Rock user on your team, Uxie can use Heal Bell over Stealth Rock. The Speed EVs give Uxie just enough Speed to outpace Rotom who lack Choice Scarf. Uxie can be used as either a mid-game replenisher or a lead; if you are using Uxie as a lead, a bulkier EV spread of 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD with a Bold nature is recommended (with U-turn over Memento).</p>
 
Yeah, this is exactly the same as the support set, with Rain Dance on it.
Like Eo said I don't think this deserve its own set.
 
This set really needs more to set it apart from the support set. I agree with the others that Rain Dance can be slashed on the support set on site with a mention in set comments of Damp Rock.

I could see a Pokemon like Mesprit having its own Rain Dance set, because it gets access to Healing Wish which can bring a weakened Rain sweeper like Kabutops back on its feet and give it another chance, but sadly Uxie doesn't really have that option, and a slashed Memento doesn't really convince me.
 
If you want a Rain Dance support set on-site, it should be specifically about Rain Dance and supporting Rain Dance sweepers. Uxie learns cool moves like Heal Bell and gets Thunder, none of which are even mentioned. This set also wastes Uxie high speed, which can be a boon for a quick rain set-up.

Something like:

Uxie @ Damp Rock
252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
Timid

-Rain Dance
-Heal Bell
-Toxic/Memento
-Thunder/Psychic

A set like that would be sufficiently different from others on-site that we could include it.
 
FlareBlitz said:
If you want a Rain Dance support set on-site, it should be specifically about Rain Dance and supporting Rain Dance sweepers. Uxie learns cool moves like Heal Bell and gets Thunder, none of which are even mentioned. This set also wastes Uxie high speed, which can be a boon for a quick rain set-up.

Something like:

Uxie @ Damp Rock
252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
Timid

-Rain Dance
-Heal Bell
-Toxic/Memento
-Thunder/Psychic

A set like that would be sufficiently different from others on-site that we could include it.
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Thanx, i trried out some changes based on your comment and it did very well,Heall Bell is definetly a good option since it can remove paralys off Rain Sweepers after opposing Registeels use T-wave.
 
Eo Ut Mortus said:
Obviously works, but I don't see why Rain Dance shouldn't just be slashed on the support set.
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I concur with this. There are so many Pokemon that can learn Rain Dance, and it would be pointless to write up a whole set for each one. On the topic of this, would you bother writing a whole new set for Sunny Day just because Uxie can learn that too?? I think the Supporter set can just have in AC "Uxie can use Heat or Damp Rock to be an excellent weather inducer, since it can set up sun or rain and U-Turn to a sweeper for a free switch". That's about it, I reckon.

EDIT: Oh and why did I not catch this:

Evs 252 hp 252 Spe 4 Def
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Uxie wants to be slow when you U-Turn out to your sweeper, so any abuse that might be thrown onto the sweeper hits Uxie instead.
 
Well, the OP has been updated to make it sufficiently different from the set on-site (mainly in its speed and usage of Heal Bell, although Zen Headbutt should also probably be replaced with something more useful to Rain teams). I don't have much of a problem with making separate weather support sets if they run different EV spread and moves...
 
Honestly Uxie is very diverse in the way it supports Rain teams. You can be fast or you can be bulky. (EV spreads) I think it would be hard to make a set because Uxie has so many options to fill the three spots other than Rain Dance. It's really personal preference as each of these moves support the Rain team in their own way. Support Options:

Zen Headbutt (better for fast Uxie, surprises Venusaur and cocky Toxicroaks)
Heal Bell
Stealth Rock (because most fast Rain setup doesn't get this)
U-Turn (better for slow Uxie)
Memento (slightly better for fast Uxie)
Thunder and Toxic (never used these moves before but I'd suppose it would help against Milotic)

Perhaps this "fast" Uxie set can be a standalone while the bulkier set mentioned in AC of Support Uxie. I will advocate for Fast Uxie, Jolly, Rain Dance, Heal Bell, Zen Headbutt, Memento or Stealth Rock.
 
I am supporting the making of a Rain Dance Uxie, because it is a great Rain set-up Pokemon, and I have seen many Uxies on my opponents' Rain Dance teams. In the Rain Offense guide (which is probably outdated, but you get the picture), it lists Uxie as one of the best in UU to set up Rain Dance, not only as a lead, but mid-game as well. If Uxie has these merits, then why do we not have a Rain Dance set specifically for Uxie? I'm glad that I've finally gotten that off my chest.

As for the set, I would use this as a mid-game Rain set-up, and run Memento over U-Turn, as it allows your Rain Sweepers to instantly threaten a weakened opponent, rather than wasting a valuable turn of Rain Dance to set up with Swords Dance or another boosting move.
 
On a fast Uxie, I would much prefer Memento over U-turn. Memento can get Kabutops/Qwilfish/Ludicolo that Swords Dance they desperately needed, while U-turn, on a fast Uxie, can end up getting one of your Rain Dance sweepers KOed or critically damaged.

Oh, and a small note. You keep noting physical bulk in your comments, but you have HP EVs. HP contributes to both sides of the defensive spectrum.
 
The Shiny Pidgey said:
On a fast Uxie, I would much prefer Memento over U-turn. Memento can get Kabutops/Qwilfish/Ludicolo that Swords Dance they desperately needed, while U-turn, on a fast Uxie, can end up getting one of your Rain Dance sweepers KOed or critically damaged.

Oh, and a small note. You keep noting physical bulk in your comments, but you have HP EVs. HP contributes to both sides of the defensive spectrum.
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Edit'd that as well
 
Uxie is definitely one of the better starters on RD/sun teams (with that said I think this could just be turned into "weather starter" since with sb2 the things hindering sun which is already underrated as is gone it'll be a lot more viable and it's the same set just with sunny day slashed in)

What I want to note is that Stealth Rock is pretty crucial because as YaM noted not many solid weather setups have it, so that differentiates it.

Memento is definitely interesting I never thought of trying that, though U-turn should still be slashed in since there are definitely times you want to keep your weather setup mon alive for later usage. If you u-turn to the right mon usually you can avoid taking a major hit especially considering an rd mon usually doesn't need more than 60% health to do its job.

Heal Bell I don't like because what you're essentially doing is slowing the pace tremendously. For heal bell to be useful it means you had to switch out of one of your statused sweepers to uxie presumably then get back in. It seems like too much hassle. Generally you're best off just sac'ing while trying to pummel the status user so it can't status anything else rather than taking the time to give it lefties recovery so it can.

Also normally I'd just say keep rain dance where it is but considering how good Uxie is as a weather starter it should definitely go in the analysis. I'd just like to see it fine-tuned a bit more.
 
heal bell deserves a mention in a paragraph at least, rain dance and sunny day teams are destroyed by status and heal bell fixes that, it may slow you down but uxie has the bulk to switch in on a turn rain stops heal status and start rain up again allowing you to regain momentum

EDIT: In reply to Jabba's post on heal bell
 
I would think that U-turn would be a better choice on Uxie for the fact that you would need it in multiple instances to set up rain and for the fact that memento rarely works. Gaining switch advantage never hurts in any instance.
 
Okay. I don't really have a problem with separating the sets, since Uxie is one of the most prominent Rain Dancers. However, we should not be taking steps to differentiate it from the Support Lead currently on-site just for the sake of making sure the sets are different.

I think Memento is the inferior move compared to U-turn, especially since you're intending Uxie to be used early-game. It's basically reliant on your opponent not having a Kabutops / SD Ludicolo / SD Qwilfish check. A slow U-turn is much more invaluable in my opinion.

Agreeing with Jabba on Stealth Rock > Heal Bell. I know for a fact that it lets Kabutops get several KOs it otherwise misses out on, and I bet this applies to other rain sweepers. Plus, since you're leading with Uxie, you're not going to get time to set up Stealth Rock with anything else.

Minor point: Zen Headbutt > Psychic so you don't have to weaken attacks, also hits Venusaur harder and prevents Mismagius from setting up Substitutes on you...although Psychic is better against Rhyperior I suppose.
 
Actually, Eo, I can see it being used both as a lead and a mid-game Rain set-up. In my opinion, the Memento vs. U-Turn argument depends on how Uxie is being used. As a lead, I agree that U-Turn is better. However, if it is being used as a mid-game set-up instead of a lead, then Memento would work better. I agree with Zen Headbutt>Psychic and Stealth Rock>Heal Bell, though.
 
max speed Jolly and 95 base speed

how is this executing a slow u-turn? Your rain sweeper will probably get statused

Zen headbutt hits spec def venusaur and Missy, psychic hits rhyperior. Not much difference on offensive venusaur due to higher base power of psychic.

As I have already said Uxie is so damn versatile. It can be your lead or midgame setup. It can be quite fast or very bulky. The only compulsory move on Uxie is Rain Dance and an attack. The other two slots are customisable. SR doesn't need to be a must if you're using Mesprit or Registeel as setup, but you need SR if you're using Ambipom or Electrode or Weezing or Altaria or Lanturn. Heal Bell definitely has its uses when I played Rain.
You're not supposed to switch out to Uxie if you get statused. Just switch to another sweeper if it can absorb the incoming attack well, as few people will status twice in a row upon my experience. Memento is not always a must... personally I ran Heal Bell ver it
 
Yeah Uxie definitely can be either lead or mid-game so I think there needs to be a way to incorporate both roles into the set (i personally prefer it midgame since midgame you're more likely to have a better matchup ie not against ambipom where you can set up sr rain dance and even maybe para something or use memento if you have it).

I'd say Rain Dance and Stealth Rock are necessary moves. I'd say Psychic/Zenbutt are probably necessary because having an actual attack on setup mons is pretty crucial (i know from experience.) Between the other slot you have an option of U-turn, Memento and Heal Bell (which I'm still not a fan of).
 
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