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Single 3v3 Singles Metagame Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Battle Spot' started by JabbaTheGriffin, Nov 4, 2013.

  1. ethan06

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    Unaware allows you to ignore accuracy boosters, and safeguard against Pokémon that can boost their special stats alongside Clefable's Calm Mind. Minimize safeguards against the threat of critical hits breaking through Clefable's boosts, and basically makes it unstoppable if you let it set up at all.
  2. Meultima

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    *Ahem*

    And also what ethan06 said.

    Unaware is the lynchpin of the Minimize set. Critically, it allows you to boost up in the face of non-banded Dragons, as their unboosted non-Outrage attacks generally lack the punch required to 2hko you, giving you a safe window to heal stall until they miss a few times. If you don't run Unaware, you run the risk of that one or two boosted hits getting through and turning Clefable into a pink splatter. It also stops Hone Claws, even though that's a non-factor for the most part. Do keep an eye out for Band sets, however, as Unaware doesn't ignore those.

    Mega Charizard X is one of the few dragons capable of 2hkoing without boosts via Flare Blitz thanks to Tough Claws, although due to Clefable's fully-invested HP, it runs the risk of 3hkoing itself.
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  3. WhyBuffet

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    All right, fair enough. I know you mentioned it earlier, but I just wanted to hear some concrete examples (like unboosted non-Outrage attacks).
  4. EsurioXY

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    I'm running a really unconventional (probably not even good) statuser lead in Spiritomb.

    I picked him because of the only one weakness and his decent survivability with a spread of HP252/138Def+/120Spd/0IVSpeed-

    The low speed IVs are to ensure the activation of the ZoomLens so that he can have a 72% Hypnosis and a 100% Willowisp. He has no damage output means beyond a filler move in Curse, and his original concept was based on a 2nd turn Memento into a DDancing Gyrados/SDancing Hawlucha/SDancing Jolly Haxorous/SDancing Jolly Exadrill.

    However, I'm itching more and more for something that is a little bit speedier of a memento user. I'm thinking a Whimsicott with Focus Sash, the speed is a huge plus, and then I've gotten a good support move pool on top.
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  5. ethan06

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    In a lot of cases, having a slow, defensive Pokémon with Memento is a good thing, as you can take the hit and suicide, getting your setup sweeper in absolutely scot-free to start boosting. However, I can vouch for Memento Whimsicott's usefulness; Prankster Stun Spore makes it possible to turn even Talonflame into setup fodder (assuming you run Coba Berry, which is perfectly viable - 252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Coba Berry Whimsicott: 171-202 (52.7 - 62.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO). However, Spiritomb's problem is that he has no form of recovery to get out all the status that he wants; I'd suggest replacing Curse for Pain Split, as Spiritomb's HP is naturally low and Pain Split will be devastating against most threats.

    Spiritomb @ Zoom Lens
    Bold/Impish
    Infiltrator/Pressure
    252 HP/136 Def/120 Sp. Def
    -Will-o-Wisp
    -Hypnosis/Taunt
    -Pain Split
    -Memento

    Whimsicott @ Coba Berry
    Impish
    Prankster
    252 HP/252 Def/4 Spd
    -Stun Spore
    -Encore
    -Taunt/U-Turn
    -Menento/U-Turn
  6. Meultima

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    Another option is to run a Dual Screens Memento passer. The most famous example would probably be Latios, of course, who can fire off a Draco Meteor or two before passing the buck, so to speak. However, Uxie is another good option, being fairly bulky enough to set up both screens before using Memento. It also learns Yawn, which, combined with Memento, can put your opponent in a tough spot!

    Nevertheless, you would really do well to have a switch-in who is still bulky enough and able to boost their speed: I wouldn't advise on using Excadrill outside of sand (rush): Base 88 is still much too slow, plus he's still weak to fighting and water priority, while Haxorus at least has access to Dragon Dance to boost that middling speed. Multiscale Dragon Dance Dragonite with a Lum Berry is essentially a risk-free switch-in, if you're expecting status (And if you don't, he's bulky enough to throw in a second Dance for good measure), and of course, there's always Swords Dance Lum Berry Garchomp. And let's not forget Mega Charizard X, whose immunity to burn is a brilliant fallback.
  7. EsurioXY

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    Pain Split is a great addition to this Spiritomb, and I forgot all about CharX. A last move Destiny Bond is an interesting option too. Taunt would ruin any other passer/screener/Subabuser (as he has infiltrator)
  8. Big Mike Jr

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    Just to add icing to the cake here is a video of how my Dragonite pulled through with Multiscale with the obvious Weakness Policy on Battle Spot Singles.
    Code:CMXW-WWWW-WWW6-YC9F
    YEP DRAGONITE PUTIN IN WORK SWEEPING TEAMS WHIT THE BROOM OVERTIME!
  9. Big Mike Jr

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    was your ampharos modest or timid?
  10. Guilan

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    Modestimid.

    jk

    Modest. Way better, because it maximizes damage potential.
  11. Chev

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    Unless you run Quiet for Trick Room sweep of course. Then you want as little as possible in speed, such as the way I run him on my team paired with Reuniclus. But still good as such of course :p
  12. Storm Eagle

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    My teams have been making me lose a lot lately.... been in the ratings of ~1400... embarrassing. Can someone help me?

    I've been thinking about using this team.

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    Mega Lucario. Adaptability. Lucarionite. Jolly. 252 Atk/Spe. 4 HP.

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    Close Combat
    Bullet Punch
    Crunch
    Ice Punch

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    Gyarados. Moxie. Focus Sash. Adamant. 252 Atk/Spe. 4 HP.

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    Ice Fang
    Waterfall
    Dragon Dance
    Earthquake

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    Garchomp. Rough Skin. Life Orb. Jolly. 252 Atk/Spe. 4 SpD.

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    Fire Fang
    Outrage
    Earthquake
    Crunch
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  13. EsurioXY

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    I'm quite terrible myself (IE haven't really settled on a strategy/team) but I have some extensive use with Gyarados.

    I like the Focus/Moxie synergy but there is a huge problem with its speed and damage output. Considering that, get rid of Crunch (you aren't MEvolving so an unstab 60BP move is pittance) and replace it with Dragon Dance. Ideally, you'd bring it out to a weakened opponent, Dragon Dance to get a critical speed boost that will aid in sweeps, and KO next move to get the Moxie benefit.

    However, Sashes are a bit sketchy because 1HP is susceptible to all sorts of priority. With that in mind be 100% sure that you Dragon Dance against someone without a priority move.

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    What does anyone think of a Steelix? I know someone brought up Steelix a long time ago but I don't think they got a response.
    The concept is to just use it as a SR lead to negate all these bloody Focus Sashes (just got surprised by a Houndoom Sasher with counter and destiny bond) and to give Talon Flame the finger. The thought is that it puts up a SR, taunts or roars the tricky people, Rock Tombs anything to slow it down, and finally Explodes when all else fails.
  14. Galladium

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    I have a question, sorry for asking it here but there's no Simple Questions thread in this forum.

    The other day, I was able to use a Genesect in a random battle (random matchup mode, not a competition). However I thought that non Kalos Born Pokemon were banned in this meta? Unless I've come across a hacked/event Genesect...
  15. cant say

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    Did you click on free battle? Because it's anything goes there. In rating battles you can also use non-kalos born/caught Pokemon but cover and event legendaries are banned (so no Genesect there)
  16. Galladium

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    Ah, that must be it. Does anyone have the banlist for rating battles?
  17. cant say

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    Like I said, cover and event legendaries. It's the same ban list as the Battle Maison. So... Mew, Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-oh, Celebi, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Deoxys, Palkia, Dialga, Giratina, Manaphy (so maybe also Phione?), Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Victini, Meloetta, Keldeo, Genesect, Xernaes, Yveltal, Zygarde.

    This applies to rating battles in singles, doubles, triples and rotation. 'Special' battles have different rules depending on the season. At the moment it's restricted to Kalos-natives only

    Hope that's all accurate anyway!
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  18. Hulavuta

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    Okay, I know I'm ridiculously late to the party, but better late than never I always say.

    I played my first game in April but was kinda busy since then so I just played a match here and there, but I'll be done with school soon so I'll soon get a chance to play a lot more. So far though, I'm really loving this meta. I'm still new so I'm not exactly sure what works and what doesn't and what exactly to think about teambuilding for 3v3. I'm also still around the beginner rankings so I haven't come across anything over-centralizing just yet, so maybe I'll hate it later, idk.

    Kinda sucks that this season is ending soon (looks like the 12th?) but I guess I'm just gonna play a ton of games until then while I'm still new. Hopefully by next season I'll have a clue what I'm doing lol.

    More to the actual topic, the Pokemon I've sort of been unable to not use is Sharpedo...I've used it in like every single battle I've had so far. I'm using the special set and Ice Beam is really handy, and Speed Boost is really useful to have a sort of backup against fast Pokemon. My current set is:

    Sharpedo @ Life Orb
    Modest
    Speed Boost
    252 SpA/252 SpD/4 EVs somewhere else idk where
    -Protect
    -Ice Beam
    -Surf
    -Dark Pulse

    And yeah this was literally just taken from the Smogon BW UU set so there might be some changes I should make. I looked at the usage stats and it looks like a lot of them use Destiny Bond, which sounds really good, but I'm not sure which move I'd want to give up for it. They also seem to use Focus Sash a lot which I'm not sure of either (to get a Destiny Bond against Talonflame I'm guessing?).

    Anyway, I got kind of disillusioned with the so-called "fantasy metas" so I'm eager to give this one a go. Hopefully I can help bring more activity to this forum too!
  19. cant say

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    It's really cool to hear that Sharpedo is working out for you Hula! I've been planning to breed one (it's legit next on my list) but I can't decide which way to go; physical/special? destiny bond or not? I've found he has serious 4mss... I think the biggest problem is whether I want to fit in protect or destiny bond or even both, but he also has a tonne of physical options. Apart from obvious stuff he can also use aqua jet (can really hurt Talonflame and should outspeed it's brave bird after a couple of boosts), earthquake lays some hurt on Aegislash and helps avoid king's shield (also, a little unorthodox but if you run scope lens a crit night slash ohkos aegi which helps mitigate attack drops)...

    From the looks of it the special set is a little more straight forward so I think I might actually give that a shot but with DB over protect!
  20. Hulavuta

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    I like the special set because Ice Beam is just really good, it KOs most Dragon-types and Gliscor. Dark Pulse is also a good way to hit Aegislash without worrying about King's Shield; with Crunch it could be an issue. According to the usage stats, it looks like most Sharpedo are physical, but technically the special set has more powerful moves despite Sharpedo's attack being higher than its special attack.

    I'm not entirely sure about dropping Protect for Destiny Bond, because otherwise he can't get a guaranteed boost, and with his really low defensive stats he can easily be knocked out in one turn. If you don't have Protect you can't revenge kill stuff like Garchomp or Salamence which outspeed you without a boost.

    Wait...I just realized...is the reason Focus Sash is used so much on it so that it can survive a hit and get the guaranteed boost without using Protect? ...lol that makes so much sense, why didn't I think of it earlier...
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  21. Hulavuta

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    Sorry for the double post, but it's been about a week so whateva

    Recently I really want to use Tyranitar...I've been thinking Assault Vest because I really don't wanna use Mega Tyranitar. The only issue is I'm totally lost on the EV spread. Do I just go HP/Attack and then throw on an Assault Vest or should I go for some SpD EVs or even speed? Will that seriously cut down on his firepower though? A part of me hopes just HP is enough so I can recycle it into a CBT-Tar whenever I want lol. According to the PGL site, Assault Vest is the second most used item and Adamant is by far the most used nature. I can't check right now since it's under maintenance, but I don't think many +SpD natures are used, which leads me to believe most just invest in HP.

    I did a few calculations but I'm still pretty new so I'm not sure how relevant they are...like, should I care if I can survive 2 Modest Choice Specs Magnezone Flash Cannons? And what should I be trying to outspeed?

    Finally, what's the optimal HP EV number for Tyranitar? Just full 252 or is 248 better? I'm totally lost on this thing haha, please help.
  22. CoolStoryBrobat

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    I definitely think you might as well go with Adamant and max Attack. At the least, 76 Speed was used last gen to outrun uninvested base 70s like Skarmory and such. You can run 132 to outpace defensive Heatran, or 156 to outpace uninvested base 80s like Goodra. Whatever amount you plan to use, the rest can be dumped into HP. Not sure how willing you are to sacrifice bulk for speed, but it's still a personal choice lol. I definitely don't think you need SpD investment, especially with your own sand going.
  23. Hulavuta

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    Yeah CoolStoryBrobat it's good to hear that. I am probably not going to go for speed investment because Tyranitar can't break through Skarmory anyway as I will be using Assault Vest most of the time. I probably won't want to use over 100 EVs for speed either, so I'll just go full HP. It's not like Tyranitar won't be able to take hits from Heatran or Goodra anyway. And if it doesn't work out, I can always hope for a reset bag haha
  24. cant say

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    Starting back at the bottom is a nightmare! There's just so much random stuff running around that I'm losing mostly on suprise factor alone. The Japanese have got so many ideas it's really not funny, I'd try to think of a few examples but I'm at like 3-10 right now and feeling kinda frustrated so I'll just come back later...

    It really doesn't help that my timezone (AEST +10) is only 2 hours off Tokyo's (+8 iirc) so to avoid them I'm playing at crazy hours. I liked playing in the 1700s better :(
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  25. ethan06

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    tbh almost exactly the same thing happened to me... I got 3-0ed by a Rocky Helmet CM Sylveon at one point fml :(

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