That's timer0 my friend. It is your worst enemy. D:
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5th Gen PRNG Help / Info - Latest: RNG Reporter 9.96.5, PPRNG 1.15.0
- Thread starter Slashmolder
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Biosci is right about your problem as long as everything else is right. It sounds like you have a few questions in general though that we could help you with if we had a pic. One of the PID window and one of Time Finder would be ideal.
To tell if you hit the seed, fly to victory road and catch something after you get the egg. The IVs of your caught Pokemon should match IV frame 14 or 14+Z where Z is the number of Pokemon in your party including the egg. If the IVs don't match you missed your seed.
(Don't know if you know this) Method 5 (standard seed) can be used in the main window to view the IV frames just like you use method 5 PIDRNG or breeding BW to view PID frames.
Try doing it all over again after keeping track of the first results you get, and see if any match up. If there is only one that matches, try that one and see if it works.
If there are multiple, do it all over again and reduce it down until you find one.
My only guess on how to figure it out.
I'm contemplating catching a shiny Tornadus.
Which months are best for RNGing the Genies, and what sort of advancements can I expect from the weather in each month?
One more query: which type of flash cart would be the best for RNGing?
- I have bought the game, twice. The original Japanese game can't be patched to English. A Japanese rom on a flash cart can, and I want perfect Japanese Dittos that I know are legit.
Which months are best for RNGing the Genies, and what sort of advancements can I expect from the weather in each month?
One more query: which type of flash cart would be the best for RNGing?
- I have bought the game, twice. The original Japanese game can't be patched to English. A Japanese rom on a flash cart can, and I want perfect Japanese Dittos that I know are legit.
Some "experimental research" results about PID frame increment
Plagued with an unfriendly Timer0, I often miss my targeted frame and I found it tricky to guess the PID frame I hit after walking to increment the IVs frame, especially with many turns. So, I conducted a small experiment, walking up and down inside the last room on Victory Road. Using "sweet scent" and "max repel", I repeatedly determined the PID frame every 5 steps and 1 turn, increasing the total path length every restart (up to 160 steps). I ended up with the following picture, showing how much increases the PID frame after each turn. Odd turn numbers are for "from North to South" facing direction change (resp. even for "from South to North").
My analysis is that:
Obviously for prediction, turning too often is not a good idea! Also, there is no chance to hit a frame below "MinFrame", unless reducing the number of steps...
As a side effect during this research, I noticed that:
PS1: If some RNG guru thinks this is already searched ground, please let me know before I start looking at left<->right displacements...
PS2: Editing my poor English grammar to improve the intelligibility of all this is most welcome.
Plagued with an unfriendly Timer0, I often miss my targeted frame and I found it tricky to guess the PID frame I hit after walking to increment the IVs frame, especially with many turns. So, I conducted a small experiment, walking up and down inside the last room on Victory Road. Using "sweet scent" and "max repel", I repeatedly determined the PID frame every 5 steps and 1 turn, increasing the total path length every restart (up to 160 steps). I ended up with the following picture, showing how much increases the PID frame after each turn. Odd turn numbers are for "from North to South" facing direction change (resp. even for "from South to North").
My analysis is that:
- Turning increases the PID frame by 2 to 5 (I didn't experienced higher values).
- 2 is an obvious lower bound, whereas 4 seems an acceptable upper bound.
- With "enough" turns, 3 is a good average.
- The increment is not related to the direction change, nor to the floor tile you are turning on.
- MinFrame = SSF + 2*step + 2*turn
- MaxFrame = MinFrame + 2*turn
- "SSF" is given by the RNGreporter button labeled "Calculate Initial PIDRNG Frame".
- "step" is the number of time the character moves from one tile to another.
- "turn" is the number of time the character facing direction changes, without displacement.
Obviously for prediction, turning too often is not a good idea! Also, there is no chance to hit a frame below "MinFrame", unless reducing the number of steps...
As a side effect during this research, I noticed that:
- Bumping into wall does not affect the PID frame.
- Using another "repel" just after the previous one ended does not affect the PID frame.
- The last step of a standard repel (from the 99th to the 100th step) increases the PID frame by 1, not 2. So using a sequence of two "repel" leads to a different PID frame compared to just one "max repel".
PS1: If some RNG guru thinks this is already searched ground, please let me know before I start looking at left<->right displacements...
PS2: Editing my poor English grammar to improve the intelligibility of all this is most welcome.
It's steps that are inconsistent not turns. Turns always advance the PIDRNG by 2 frames. We already have a good approximation of how the PIDRNG advances: herePlagued with an unfriendly Timer0, I often miss my targeted frame and I found it tricky to guess the PID frame I hit after walking to increment the IVs frame, especially with many turns. So, I conducted a small experiment, walking up and down inside the last room on Victory Road. Using "sweet scent" and "max repel", I repeatedly determined the PID frame every 5 steps and 1 turn, increasing the total path length every restart (up to 160 steps). I ended up with the following picture, showing how much increases the PID frame after each turn. Odd turn numbers are for "from North to South" facing direction change (resp. even for "from South to North").
My analysis is that:
So, when "combing" RNGreporter PID frames, I am now restricting the search between "MinFrame" and "MaxFrame" calculated as:
- Turning increases the PID frame by 2 to 5 (I didn't experienced higher values).
- 2 is an obvious lower bound, whereas 4 seems an acceptable upper bound.
- With "enough" turns, 3 is a good average.
- The increment is not related to the direction change, nor to the floor tile you are turning on.
where:
- MinFrame = SSF + 2*step + 2*turn
- MaxFrame = MinFrame + 2*turn
As an example with SSF equals 42, walking 128 steps and turning 24 times leads to MinFrame = 346 and MaxFrame = 394, with "just" 48 frames to check...
- "SSF" is given by the RNGreporter button labeled "Calculate Initial PIDRNG Frame".
- "step" is the number of time the character moves from one tile to another.
- "turn" is the number of time the character facing direction changes, without displacement.
Obviously for prediction, turning too often is not a good idea! Also, there is no chance to hit a frame below "MinFrame", unless reducing the number of steps...
As a side effect during this research, I noticed that:
As a conclusion, I hope this might be useful to other RNGistes fellows.
- Bumping into wall does not affect the PID frame.
- Using another "repel" just after the previous one ended does not affect the PID frame.
- The last step of a standard repel (from the 99th to the 100th step) increases the PID frame by 1, not 2. So using a sequence of two "repel" leads to a different PID frame compared to just one "max repel".
PS1: If some RNG guru thinks this is already searched ground, please let me know before I start looking at left<->right displacements...
PS2: Editing my poor English grammar to improve the intelligibility of all this is most welcome.
For reference:f=current frame, i=Calculated Initial PIDRNG Frame, s=steps, t=turns, n=NPC advancement
lol that was 9000% more intelligible than the majority of the posts from everyone else.
Basically there's 2 per turn and 2 per step, and step counter resets. Every 20 or 17 steps the game has to reset a step counter (for Shaking Spot or Egg Decision), thus consuming a frame.
These unreliable results are why we use Chatots ^.^
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If you've got a retail cartridge, go for the Higher timer0. Use 3 keypresses.
I kind of need help RNGing the TRU Zoroark. You just advance the MITV frames before talking to the deliveryman, right?
its a Wondercard method. not MT. asdsfgdsghsfdreadguides
It says it's on frame 9.
Thanks.
Key-presses are no problem, much easier than playing the keyboard. ;).
I don't have one yet, (a retail cartridge,) but I'm thinking it could be worth trying. It was just too tedious trying to play through with everything in Japanese.
Your guide on RNGing wonder cards was great thanks. Nice to have clear instructions with pictures of the set-up.
Okay, NM, I understand now. Set min frame to above 55. Thanks, and sorry.
I need someone to help me with the roaming Tornadus. I haven't tried to catch it yet. If you can teach me how to do it step by step, that'd be great.
VM me if you can help.
VM me if you can help.
Please, whoever gives help with this, do it here in the thread so we can all learn from it.
I'm still wondering what seasons and PID frames to start searching for seeds on.
Not all the time, I think. The lower range for Timer0 appears more often than the higher one. (Is this normal?)
I may consider writing something up officially if I know who I'm supposed to talk to for editing and posting purposes. I've done my fair share of roamers, albeit on an emu but nonetheless same idea, just more time saving on an emu. I've also ID/SID abused for roamers which is probably handy.
I've posted a lot of times regarding roamers so I might as well.
I look forward to seeing your guide, once it's done. There's a lot of information scattered around, but it would be great if someone put all together, along with the little details, in a step-by-step "for dummies" guide
I have the 9.81 RNG Reporter.
I have the 4th Gen Seed Finder/Generator.
I have the data down to a "T."
I have AR that tells me what the IV's are.
I have gone forward/backward 1 minute.
I have gotten the "No reasonable initial seed found..."
This didn't happen when I was doing the calibration phase when I was using my AR.
I did use Emloop before, but not this time.
I am watching SparkTEHFuze's videos also.
Did I miss something?
I have the 4th Gen Seed Finder/Generator.
I have the data down to a "T."
I have AR that tells me what the IV's are.
I have gone forward/backward 1 minute.
I have gotten the "No reasonable initial seed found..."
This didn't happen when I was doing the calibration phase when I was using my AR.
I did use Emloop before, but not this time.
I am watching SparkTEHFuze's videos also.
Did I miss something?
4th Gen?
I know that some of those thing were broken in the update. Not sure if that's one or not. Regardless, you shouldn't really need the initial seed finder. Its as simple as trying for a seed and looking at the adjacents for the elm or flip pattern you need. I know there are guides to this approach but since I'm replying from my phone, I can't find them for you.
I know that some of those thing were broken in the update. Not sure if that's one or not. Regardless, you shouldn't really need the initial seed finder. Its as simple as trying for a seed and looking at the adjacents for the elm or flip pattern you need. I know there are guides to this approach but since I'm replying from my phone, I can't find them for you.
Yes...shoulda mentioned that I am using Platinum.
Did anyone bother to RNG the egg from the event a few months ago? I never did mine and still haven't picked it up from the man, but I want to get the Zoroark event soon so I'm wondering if it's even worth RNGing the egg one. I hatched it to see what it was and I got Pidove.
What did you guys end up doing with your eggs from that event?
What did you guys end up doing with your eggs from that event?
It will always have a hardy nature and iirc it had set ivs too. Not positive about the iv part though.
Whoops I didn't realize Kaphotics already wrote one up. Just check the (3rd?) post in the beginning of the thread, click the link and scroll down to the roamers section.