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Discussion in 'BW OU Teams' started by Miles Tails, Sep 18, 2012.

  1. Miles Tails

    Miles Tails

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    Introduction

    Hello, In a typical day where I was in Pokémon Showdow,Bluewooper I met the first person with whom I spoke here on Smogon, I decided to invite him to create a team with me and he took out a solid team this partnership, the central idea the team was able to do well against those types of teams that are centralizing the metagame, the team in their tests where does it very well because it has a major offensive, consisting Latios, Stoutland, Landorus can greatly hinder trade, coupled with good attack the team also has a solid defensive side that can cope with major threats of the metagame, Tyranitar, Slowbro, Heatran make a solid core where it is possible to deal with things like Keldeo, Terrakion, Genesect, T-Tornadus Pokemon that ..... cause much fear in any battle because of his great qualities, let the creation process.

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    Creation Process

    At the beginning of the discussion we decided we would use the sandstorm then had two options Hippo or Tyranitar, we chose Tyranitar having high status in HP, Atk and Spdef would be solid enough to survive for a long time or even put Stealth Rock or defeat Inducer opposite in an Wheater War.
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    We came to a conclusion after the choice of Tyranitar like to play using the powerful attacks, with that thought in mind Landorus can choose to use because of climate Sand Force to give greater impetus to its Earthquake and Stone Edge, Landorus can still protect Tyranitar of 3 weaknesses Ground, Figthing,Bug.
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    The last two choices are really powerful but can not do much as Pokemon Skarmory, thinking that the choice of the third member was made, Latios is added with a big Spd and Spatk would be possible not only bring down physical barriers would be possible to also give OHKO Ninetales and Politoed with Draco Meteor + Choice Specs causing the climate team could abuse without fear that he could be removed.
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    We had half the team already and wanted a more Revenger Killer was not on our mind a Choice Scarf that would fit well, after a great looking Stoutland find that do not need to Choice Scarf Killer Revenger becomes a powerful sandstorm in managing to reach 518 Speed ​​with nature Adamant added Choice Band that it is possible to OHKO a great deal.
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    Have we had a really powerful Atk but the team lacked a solid defense to face common threats, seeing that Genesect could take the whole team decided to use Heatran that having high HP and Sp.Def can be a counter of about insect metal.
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    Team is almost finished our last choice was for possessing is Ferrothorn that could greatly help the team causing residual damage on the opponent's trade and resistance to adding one more to the team then headed Dragon,after some struggles that saw the team suffered too much to deal with Terrakion against only answer he would give to Revenger Kill Stoutland seeing this one tested Slowbro Bulky Water really incredible and that fit seamlessly into a team.
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    The team in detail


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    :Rock: :Dark:

    Moveset:
    Stealth Rock -Is the Hazard.Move With this,each switch of opponent he loses a percentage of HP.It is a fundamental Moves against teams based in Sunny Weather is also of great help to tackle Tornadus-T,Thundurus-T and Dragonite.
    Crunch - Main STAB of Tyranitar. The Move has 80 BP and hits hard in Pokémon not resist Dark-Type Moves
    Pursuit - This coup is essential against Pokémon that try to escape from Tyranitar as Latios, Latias, Celebi, Jellicent.
    Superpower - Causes I can hit Tyranitar opponents and Heatran.

    Preferences:
    ■ Nature: Careful
    ■ EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SDef
    ■ Trait: Sand Stream
    ■ Item: Leftovers

    Tyranitar has a very important function to invoke the sandstorm, moreover it also runs Stealth Rock which makes Dragonite, Thundurus-T can not be going all the time in the fight, moreover is a response to Hurricane against Tornadus-T being necessary beware Focus Blast / Superpower, Tyranitar is the inducer of the team is try to keep him alive until the weather eliminate the opponent moreover does a fine job as a wall holding very special thing this side.

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    :Dragon::Psychic:

    Moveset:
    Trick - Trick makes it possible to leave Wall boring as Chansey and Ferrothorn useless.
    Draco Meteor - Draco Meteor is your Stab it with the push of Choice Specs can cause high damage at all not resist.
    Psyshock - Used to hit Tentacruel, Amoonguss, Toxicroak.
    Hidden Power(Fire) - Used to set Steel

    Preferences:
    ■ Nature: Timid
    ■ EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    ■ Trait: Levitate
    ■ Item: Choice Specs

    Latios is my main response against Keldeo, Thundurus-T, Breloom, because by being faster than they can give them OHKO with Draco Meteor, nevertheless it is necessary to take very cuidade with Hydro Pump with bonus Rain Keldeo, Hidden Power Ice the Thundurus-T, Spore Breloom, but he still manages to deal with these threats without the team suffering a lot, working on Latios Mind Game where it does the most damage possible to Landorus or Stoutland could win the fight at the end.

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    :Ground::Flying:

    Moveset:
    Sword Dance - Increases Attack of Landorus making it possible to do many OHKO
    Earthquake - His stab with 100 BP is a major blow to the set.
    Stone Edge - Used to hit Flying-Types
    Hidden Power(Ice) - Used to Hit Gliscor and Landorus-T in OHKO

    Preferences:
    ■ Nature: Jolly
    ■ EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    ■ Trait: Sand Force
    ■ Item: Life Orb

    Landorus Sword Dance is something not widely used but cause havoc, Sword Dance after he reaches 698 of Atk causing OHKO almost any metagame is possible to bring down even after Celebi and Slowbro takes damage from Stealth Rock even having their Def and HP at max moreover it is possible to take almost 70% of Skarmory, Hidden Power Ice allows Landorus Pokemon to beat a very tough few annoyances that OHKOes Gliscor and Landorus-T.​

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    Moveset:
    Return - His stab with a base power of 102 OHKO or cause great damage to anything that does not resist
    Crunch - Used to hit Ghost and Psychic-Types.
    Superpower - With it is possible to hit OHKO Tyranitar and Heatran.
    Wild Charge - Used to cause super effective in Water-Types.

    Preferences:
    ■ Nature: Adamant
    ■ EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    ■ Trait: Sand Force
    ■ Item: Choice Band

    Stoutland is a weak version of Excardrill but nevertheless it can be a great Revenger Killer as his friend was also mole before, Revenger Killer team he can be of great help as it can give Revenger Kill in Tornadus-T, Thundurus-T Keldeo, Stoutland working on Late Game Landorus after Latios is able to knock down all the pokemon that can resist stab of Stoutland.

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    :Water: :Psychic:

    Moveset:
    Scald - Scald is stab your chances of having to burn.
    Toxic - Toxic allows me to have something to do against bulky Pokemons.
    Slack Off - Slack Off is his coup recovery
    Ice Beam - Ice Beam is used to defeat Dragonite Salamance and causing problems to the team if well used.

    Preferences:
    ■ Nature: Bold (+Def, -SAtk)
    ■ EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Satk
    ■ Trait: Regenerator
    ■ Item: Leftovers

    Bulky Water Slowbro is a great value, having a great ability and with a stroke of very good recovery he can be a barrier too hard to be down with physical blows, Slowbro is my check for figthing Type mainly Terrakion causing many problems moreover the team can be a very good check Dragonite, Salamance, Mamoswine Pokémon that can cause some headache to the team.


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    :Fire: :Steel:

    Moveset:
    Lava Plume - Lava Plume has a great chance of causing Burn becomes harder still Heatran overthrow the physical side.
    Roar - Roar is helpful because it allows to play out like problematic setups and do a good job with the Stealth Rock forcing the exchange.
    Earth Power - Basically used to hit other Heatrans
    Protect - It is of great help because it allowed me to see the next move of the opponent without taking damage so that I too can discover the type of moveset I'm facing.

    Preferences:
    ■ Nature: Calm
    ■ EVs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 204 SDef
    ■ Trait: Flash Fire
    ■ Item: Shed Shell

    After Genesect was released it became common to use something to hold it since he can destroy any team, Heatran here for this being that the counter of my Genesct he can handle all the blows they can see the Genesect's defeat, moreover also Tyranitar is next to a wall especially well solid, Shed Shell assures me the chance to not lose to combo Dugtrio + Genesect because thanks to Shed Shell can I flee from Dugtrio, Heatran has as its major function handle Genesect but he manages to go beyond it also becoming a great Dragon resist.


    Code:
    Tyranitar (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SDef
    Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Crunch
    - Pursuit
    - Superpower
    
    Landorus (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sand Force
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
    - Swords Dance
    - Earthquake
    - Stone Edge
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    
    Latios (M) @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Draco Meteor
    - Trick
    - Psyshock
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    
    Stoutland (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Sand Rush
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Return
    - Crunch
    - Superpower
    - Wild Charge
    
    Slowbro (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Scald
    - Ice Beam
    - Toxic
    - Slack Off
    
    Heatran (M) @ Shed Shell
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 HP / 248 SDef / 8 Spd
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Earth Power
    - Roar
    - Lava Plume
    - Protect[/CENTER]
  2. TCR

    TCR I'll be the Romeo, you be the Juliet
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    ....you can have the name however you want it to be....it doesnt need to be specific to the team, lol.

    but just 2 threats im seeing is the gene+duggy core as well as offensive rain. none of your team appreciates boosted h-pumps/ thunder/hurricanes. scarfnadus-t in particular can ko a lot of your team, as well as thunderus-t, and keldeo(who slowbro can't check. i'd like to actually know how you deal with them, to better understand your style, and to help you.

    bulky+trick tom gives you trouble as well. just some stuff to keep in mind.
  3. Jirachee

    Jirachee Nightfall
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    Hi

    This is a nice team, sand balance seemed to have dropped a bit in the beginning of BW2, but it seems to have regained popularity. I think that you're going to have issues against some stuff, especially Hidden Power Ground Volcarona. It's easy for Sun teams to trap Tyranitar with Dugtrio and then, Volcarona can set up rather easily and proceed to destroy everything on your team, since your main revenge killer, Stoutland, will no longer have Sand up to outspeed Volcarona and will just die to the boosted Fire STAB. Everything else on your team gets wrecked by Volcarona, including Heatran if it has Hidden Power Ground which seems to be a very popular choice on Volcarona as of now. I think that you should be using Choice Scarf Terrakion instead of Stoutland. Terrakion still abuses Sand by getting a Special Defense boosts, and negating Leftovers to its checks, and it will be able to revenge kill Volcarona and pretty much everything rather easily thanks to its great Speed and coverage. Dugtrio needs to drop at 1 HP to trap and eliminate Tyranitar so it can't really trap Terrakion afterwards, which means that you will keep your Volcarona check for the whole match. It can also outspeed random stuff like Modest Venusaur which is cool I guess.

    Honestly I think that you could use Stone Edge instead of Superpower on Tyranitar, now that you have Terrakion. It provides you with a nice switch in to both Heatran and opposing Tyranitar which is great. Stone Edge allows Tyranitar to hit a lot more threats very hard, such as most Flying types etc. and it's actually Tyranitar's strongest move. While you do lose out on something that can hit Ferrothorn, your team can deal with it pretty well in my opinion, so Stone Edge would become a better, less redundant option.

    Otherwise cool team, glad you made it with bluewooper n_n. Here's the set you should use:
    Terrakion (open)

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    Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
    Justified
    Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    ~Close Combat
    ~Stone Edge
    ~X-Scissor
    ~Earthquake


    Good luck!
  4. chimpact

    chimpact fire nation
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    I think you should try out a Special Landorus to better combat sun teams. With Earthpower / Focus Blast / (Psychic/HP Ice/) / (Substitute/Rock Polish), not many sun teams will be able to handle it. He can set up on Ninetales, Dugtrio, Xatu, and a plethora of defensive pokemon on sun teams and then proceed to OHKO nearly everything on their team. With a Rock Polish he outspeeds everything in OU, and behind a substitute he will be able to take hits from scarfer's and chlorophyll boosted pokemon. The coverage move is dependent on you. Psychic is consistent damage, HP Ice nails flying types that focus blast and EP are unable to deal with effectively. Sludge bomb is another option, but Psychic is usually superior.

    In addition I'm not too sure of how effective Toxic is on Slowbro. you handle defensive teams pretty well and Psychic or Flamethrower would be great in that slot if you aren't too worried about stalling out some pokemon with toxic. Toxic is gonna be wasted moveslot if they have a more offensive team.

    Nice team, keep it up!
  5. Miles Tails

    Miles Tails

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    Jirachi when I was using this team with frequency was a few times I found Volcarona is still rather they did not have Hidden Power Ground but really it can destroy the whole team if I have the Hidden Power will test the Terrakion on the team, thanks for rating on the Bluewooper he is a great team builder also I was very happy to have had the chance to work in a team with him.

    Chimpakt I will test the Landorus special because I seem to be a very good choice, the team does not suffer as much team against sun, Dugtrio can not catch Heatran because of Shed Shell is possible to cope well against them since I have the Heatran, Toxic has not really been a big help but there came to handle bulkier with Jellicent Pokemon, Latias, Gastrodon, Fire Blast will test this slot then, thanks for rating.

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