But isn't stall already the most viable type of team to have a Hazer or Mold Breaker Roar? Stall also should be able to use Curse and Pranksters like Whimscott viably. Red Card also works great on entry hazard dependent stall teams. Stall, of all styles, should find it very easy to adapt to an influx of Baton Pass teams!
Umm, I think you have this all wrong.
The best way to break through a baton pass without resorting to obscure and otherwise impractical pokemon (e.g. 80% of the things in your signature) is through offensive pressure in the first few turns of the game. This is undisputable.
So how the hell is stall supposed to apply this type of offensive pressure anyway?
Users of Curse that are ghost types (trevenant) are basically not viable for OU, they suck. If you seriously use Curse in OU STALL, and expect it to not hold you back at all, you really have the wrong idea of stall here.
Any Hazer either doesn't have the room to run it or doesn't fit in stall or is redundant and doesn't even do its job anyway (QUAGSIRE)
Any mold breaker roar (mega gyarados basically) is sorta dumb to run. You could use that moveslot much better for stall.
Pranksters outside of Sableye suck, and Sableye gets owned by Sylveon anyway.
Red Card is a one time item, and leftovers is infinitely more useful to a stall team.
Deoxys-S is a very strong counter to Baton Pass with Knock Off, Psycho Boost and Taunt. This can perform well on Stall.
Red Card Foretress already exists on some Stall teams.
Whimscott can be abused on Stall teams.
Crobat can be used to Quickly Taunt / Defog / Haze. It's also got good defensive typing for stall teams.
Quagsire can run haze effectively.
Any spin blocker can bring Curse! Trevenant is a big one here. Chandelure is another great spin blocker who can learn haze or 2hko the entire BP team with Infiltrator.
Sableye is great on Stall teams, as well as several other prankster users.
Tentacruel is used tons on stall teams and can learn haze.
I'm not sure how Haze on Quagsire doesn't auto win. Sure if you let Sylveon set up then it will kill you. But if you just spam Haze from the start you pretty much win...
Deo-s on stall? Are you serious? Do you even know what stall is supposed to do??
Red Card Forre, or Forre itself for that matter, is just set-up fodder for many of the tiers biggest threats. Even if you wanted to run Forre, why would you run it over leftovers? AND EVEN IF you ran red card, Baton pass is going up against stall. It will have SEVERAL chances to get the chain going again, and red card is a one time item. Don't even start with recycle lol.
Crobat is a UU pokemon, and its defensive typing lets it check what again? It's not even that bulky, and a billion other pokemon could perform any role it did better than crobat does.
Quagsire does not run haze effectively, and cannot stop baton pass whatsoever.
Trevenant sucks
Sableye doesn't even do anything on baton pass except lost to sylveon.
Tentacruel dies to stored power even quicker than other haze users; if we rejected quagsire because it dies to stored power too soon what makes you think we'll like tentacruel better?
I'm not sure how Haze on Quagsire doesn't auto win. Sure if you let Sylveon set up then it will kill you. But if you just spam Haze from the start you pretty much win...
Haze has 48 pp. Baton pass has 64 pp. You're going up against 6 baton pass users. Do you see where I'm going with this?
This OU viable is becoming a Joke. They are OU because we deem them OU. If Baton Pass is such a problem, then new pokemon able to beat Baton Pass should probably become OU, right? 'OU viable' depends on usage statistics, not your favorite pokemon right now...
OU pokemon is determined by usage, but "OU viable" is totally different. Again, look at the classic examples of Kyu-b and Manaphy. Once upon a time, they were thrown into UU for the stupidest of reasons: Usage. These two pokemon perform better than 60% of the OU metagame did at that time itself! So how the hell did these behemoths end up in UU? Usage.
See why Usage is a crappy argument? The amount of usage a pokemon receives does not affect how good a pokemon truly is.
And going by your logic, why not just let Kyogre back into OU? The pokemon that can beat kyogre (AV ludicolo, gastro, Parasect) will just recieve more usage! They're hard counters to Kyogre, and we're just sitting back and letting the metagame develop
into a kyogre fuckfest
According to you, these pokemon (which are pretty trash in OU atm) will become totally OU viable when Kyogre is let back into the tier, and these pokemon become better because they receive usage, and this isn't related to kyogre whatsoever.
Sylveon runs Calm Mind, Baton Pass, Hyper Voice and Stored Power most of the time. I still think any decent player can beat Baton Pass with Haze Quagsire. I think suspect tests will prove that. But lets be honest here, thats really going to be a 'stall' game, haha.
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