Black & White Battle Subway Records (now with gen. 4 records!)

He abuses Flash (Aaaaah!).
Close. Garchomp has Sand Veil which is 20% evasion and I gave it BrightPowder for 10% extra evasion. Yeah I know I'm tempting the hax demons with this one but Garchomp has so many viable items that I'm just going down the list

The BW King's Rock mechanic is total shit though

And I usually wait until the leaderboards to post a team but I guess some input would be nice while I'm at it. So far, my team is:

SS (Sudo Sandstorm):
Tyranitar - Lum Berry(/Focus Sash)
Jolly - Sand Stream
252 Atk 244 Spe 4 HP 4 Def 4 SpD (speak of the devil)
31-31-31-X-31-31
Dragon Dance
Stone Edge (hax)
Crunch
Low Kick

Metagross - Air Balloon
Adamant - Clear Body
252 Atk 244 Spe 4 HP 4 Def 4 SpD (^)
31-31-31-X-31-31
Rock Polish (better than Agility)
Meteor Mash (hax)
Earthquake
ThunderPunch

Garchomp - BrightPowder(/Focus Sash/Leftovers/Muscle Band/Lum Berry)
Jolly - Sand Veil (hax)
252 Atk 252 Spe 4 SpD
31-31-31-X-31-31
Substitute
Swords Dance
Outrage
Earthquake

I got to 53 and 55 in a row but I haven't broken 70 yet. (I also haven't had a single loss that didn't involve a Stone Edge/Meteor Mash miss, critical hit, or flinch -.-)
 
i always wondered why ppl use rock polish instead of agility...
agility might sound less cooler, but he gets STAB ON IT! hahahaha im kidding of course.

for flash abuse im using an uxie with
trick
flash
twave
stealth rock.

what am i supposed to do first? i always trick and then go from there but am i supposed to spam flash?
 
Close. Garchomp has Sand Veil which is 20% evasion and I gave it BrightPowder for 10% extra evasion.
Ah I see. In that case, I think you're the one who's close. :P From what I know (please correct me otherwise!), the probability does not stack like that. It should be (1-0.2)*(1-0.1) = 72% chance of hitting, so a bit higher than 70%.

EDIT: @bluemon, I run a similar Uxie, but with Memento > Flash. Either way, I would almost always Twave after Trick unless opponent is immune. The only exception might be if opponent is locked into an inaccurate move and is already slower than Uxie even after tricking the scarf. Otherwise, it's always better to Twave to lower the speed, because you get the same result.

As for Stealth Rock... for Memento, obviously Stealth Rock since I can't do that after Memento, but with Flash vs SR, It probably depends on the situation, as well as what your two set up sweepers are. If you are using a Scizor, Stealth Rock is important because +6 Bullet Punch KOs a few more things with Stealth Rock down compared to without stealth rock. If your set up sweeper can set up without Flash, obviously go for stealth rock first. Otherwise, try to get at least 2 flashes down before going for stealth rock. If you are using Garchomp, SR is less important, or if you are using Salamence, even less important. It also depends on your opponent too. If your opponent is known to carry a lot of ground/rock/steel types (... i.e. potential Sturdy pokemon), then... I'm sure you know which move to use after Twave.

Hope that helps.
 
102 Super Singles Streak (Togekiss, Metagross, Latios)

I've been lurking around this thread for ages and, to be honest, I really thought I'd have a couple of streaks on the list by now. Unfortunately, I've been pretty busy IRL and so haven't really had much time to do the subway. I've only used this team twice and got streaks of 67 and 102. I would've liked to try a couple more times and maybe a few different teams, but it looks like I'll have even less free time now, and so I figured I'd post this now, while I have the time. The proof is below. Sorry for such shitty quality, my webcam is no good lol.



Slightly better quality pic:


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As you can see, this is a singles team. Originally I had Latios, Metagross and a Vaporeon, and I used that for the Battle Institute, to get my Master Rank, and up until battle 26 (I think, somewhere around there, at least) when I decided that I had had to toxic stall the opponent one too many times and almost got beaten by a crit. I then looked at the team's typing and added in a Togekiss, because it had decent bulk, good type synergy with Metagross and Latios.although, I decided to use a scarfed Togekiss from Gen 4, with Air Slash, Aura Sphere, Flamethrower and Trick, since I basically just needed it to revenge random stuff, that Latios and Metagross couldn't/didn't. Pretty soon, I began to lead with it since Trick is awesome, and I could set-up either Latios or Metagross on most attacks aimed at Togekiss if I needed to.



This team plays pretty simply, I guess. Hax with Togekiss. If threatened, switch out to either Metagross or Latios, both of which only need one turn to set up (if at all).


Togekiss @Leftovers **FLINCHBOT
EVs:4/0/252/0/252
IVs:31/24/31/27/31
Nature: Modest
~Substitute
~Thunder Wave
~Air Slash
~Aura Sphere
Yeah, so I said it was a scarfer in the intro, but pretty soon, I figured that it wasn't working as well as I'd thought, when my streak ended at battle 54. Pretty soon after I decided that a Sub-T-wave set would be better, since if I got a free sub, it would be pretty much gg and haxing the subway was really appealing. Plus, Togekiss is awesome. So I did, and it worked out really well. The best thing about this is probably that it makes matches go much quicker, since the cripple-1st-poke-for-one-to-sweep matches tend to drag on a bit, and I can be a bit impatient like that. Sub also allows me to scout the set of opposing pokes, which, although minor, is a nice perk. If i were to RNG another one, I'd probably get a Timid one, since speed is so important and you often outspeed alot of random stuff in the subway that runs weird spreads like 176 speed EVs or 0 speed, (like 724 | Volcarona | Bold | White Herb | Overheat | Quiver Dance | Bug Buzz | Protect | HP/Def). I'm not sure the exact number of Pokemon you outspeed with Timid that you wouldn't otherwise, but that's something I'd look at if I were going to try again with this team.



Metagross @Lum Berry **METALBOT
EVs:4/252/0/0/252
IVs:31/31/31/31/31
Nature: Adamant
~Hone Claws
~Meteor Mash
~Earthquake
~Bullet Punch
This may seem like a weird set for the subway, but its good, I assure you. I originally had a 4 attacks Metagross with Zen Headbutt over Hone Claws for the Battle Institute, where hax isn't as much of an issue, though soon after I started I began to get really paranoid about missing with either of those attacks. As a result, I switched Hone Claws in for Zen Headbutt, because between Metagross's nice bulk, nice coverage between Steel/Ground and great resistances its easy to get a Hone Claws up, after which I can reliably use Meteor Mash. This takes rock and ice attacks aimed at Togekiss, and super effective hits aimed at Latios.


Latios @Life Orb **DRAGANBOT

EVs:4/252/0/0/252
IVs:31/31/31/31/31
Nature: Timid
~Calm Mind
~Dragon Pulse
~Surf
~Ice Beam
Latios covers Metagross's weaknesses and vice versa etc. I originally had Jumpman16's Latios for the Battle Institute (with Surf over Psyshock) since it got awesome super effective coverage. Eventually though, I figured that since Thunderbolt was rarely used, and Dragon Pulse seemed to leave everything at 1hp, I could drop Thunderbolt and make up for the drop in power against Water types.


In the end I enjoyed using this team, but I would have liked to try a couple more times with it and refine it etc. I also would have liked to try DD Dragonite over Latios in the last slot since it and Metagross cover each other's weaknesses perfectly, though I guess I'd lose that electric resistance and being unable to tank Starmie Ice Beams w/o Multiscale would suck. Anyway, if someone else wanted to try this or some variation of it, that would be really cool, and good luck to everyone else riding the subway.


Have a nice day.
 
DISCLAIMER

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The following team includes a hack for an unreleased Dream World ability. This isn't a serious 'record' team, but more of a test run to see if something would work. At the moment I've only just started with it, so it has 7 wins, but I thought I'd post in case anybody was interested. If it does go far, I don't expect it to be entered into the records (unless Peterko adds a DW section, which he probably shouldn't).

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Durant - Garchomp - Latios
Super Singles

The test is for Entrainment Durant. I wanted to see if the AI would switch out of being given Truant as an ability. I guessed not, since it doesn't directly impair its ability to attack (Tricking something into a non-attacking move causes the AI to switch now).

The BT/BF/BS AI doesn't like to switch. That single fact is behind the setup lead strategy that has dominated the records since like 2007/8, when Jumpman developed Glenscarfing.

If the AI doesn't switch out of Truant, then a sweeper with Protect/Sub/boosting move/attack can set up literally without being touched, and sweep.
  • Durant uses Entrainment, foe hits it or whatever.
  • Switch to the sweeper. Foe loafs.
  • Protect, foe attacks.
  • Setup, loaf.
  • Repeat; sweep.
Long story short, I think it works, although my sample size is only 7 wins so far.

(This idea comes from someone using this strategy against me in the DW ladder of PO. Durant came in on my Heatran after a kill, and Entrained me with Truant while I gleefully KO'd it. Then Shadow Tag Chandelure came in, trapping me, and used CM as I loafed. Fine, I thought, Earth Power for you next turn. Then it used Protect, and I realised how boned I was. I couldn't switch, and every one of my attacks was blocked by Protect. Chandy set up completely and I probably ended up losing.)

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Durant @ Focus Sash ** TruAnt
Jolly, Truant
252 HP / 6 SpD / 252 Spe

Entrainment, Iron Head, Sandstorm, X-Scissor

Garchomp @ Wide Lens ** Garchant
Jolly, Sand Veil
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

Protect, Substitute, Swords Dance, Dual Chop

Latios @ Life Orb ** Latiant
Timid, Levitate
6 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

Dragon Pulse, HP Ground, Grass Knot, Thunderbolt

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First off, Durant Entrains the foe, hanging on with its Sash if need be. Almost nothing can outspeed and cripple it for the first turn. (Scarfchomp can - it can flinch with Fire Fang, then KO next turn, but then it's locked into its weakest move, ineffective against my own Chomp.)

Entrainment fails against only three abilities: Multitype (no Arceus, no problem), Truant (since Slaking has Truant already, that's fine) and Zen Mode. Darmanitan isn't a huge problem - all of them are walled solid by Latios, which just misses a OHKO with HP Ground/DP. Thing is, if it misses the KO it will activate Zen Mode and ruin its Attack stat - and Darmanitan only runs physical attacks, lol. I don't know if there are DW abilities in the Subway, but I'll try and Entrain Darmanitan if it leads anyway. If it works, great, if not, Latios can take it out. Durant survives with its Sash (burn hax aside).

Durant's other moves are almost filler. Entrainment with Truant is the ultimate crippling move in this situation.

Sandstorm is to cancel Hail from Abomasnow. Weather is a factor: the sweeper can't be weak to damaging weather unless it has Lefties, as alternating Protect with setup means it'll be nearly dead by the time it's done if sand or hail is hitting it.

The only weather move Durant gets is Sandstorm, so that pretty much gave me my sweeper: Garchomp. SS cancelling Hail means no Snow Cloak, thank god. And because the five-turn Sandstorm will wear off during setup, Sand Veil isn't an issue either (unless Hippo/TTar arrives).

X-Scissor and Iron Head to hit things if absolutely necessary. Durant has max speed and max HP, so its attacks are totally uninvested.

Garchomp. The sweeper in this case is necessarily mono-attack, as it needs Protect while setting up, Sub because it's awesome and a boosting move. A Dragon is the obvious choice for a STAB that covers as much as possible.

There are lots of boosting dragons to choose from! I also considered Multiscale DD Dragonite, CM Latios and DD Haxorus. Hax's Mold Breaker lets it OHKO Sturdy pokes, which is great, and it also gets Dual Chop to break Sashes as well. With a Wide Lens to patch up the 90% accuracy, you have an excellent no-bullshit attack right there, cutting through two of the things the AI will use to stay alive.

But I needed a sweeper that could perform in damaging weather. If Hippo or TTar lead, Hax can't fully set up before it dies to the sand (Wide Lens means no Lefties). So I went with the other Dragon that picked up Dual Chop: Garchomp. I no longer have to worry about Sashes (more of them around) or Sturdy (new and improved), as Dual Chop kills them where Dragon Claw wouldn't.

Finally, Latios. The third here is strictly a revenge killer for Garchomp. It looks odd to use another Dragon, since it shares weaknesses with Chomp, but it gets the things I need it to. The biggest threat to Chomp is probably Mamoswine. One of them has Ice Shard, and while Wide Lens Dual Chop is awesome, it has a 1% chance to miss. If I miss against Mamoshard, that could be that. The other threat is an opposing Garchomp.

Latios with Life Orb OHKOs Mamoswine with Grass Knot, and Garchomp with Dragon Pulse. Not much outspeeds and KOs both. Starmie does, but as Peterko pointed out, Latios is better overall.

Dragon Pulse and Grass Knot are for the things I've arbitrarily identified as threats, and Thunderbolt and HP Ground let it clean up Steels. It's possible a Steel-type might give us trouble down the road, so Latios can deal with them. Hydreigon cleans Steels better, but of course it loses to the faster Garchomp.

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So that's the team. The actual team is less important than the possibility that the AI might not switch at all from Truant. I don't think it 'sees' that I'm Protecting every other turn as it attacks, meaning it can never hit me - as far as it knows, it still has a chance. (Only seven games in, I know.)

This might be like Dry Skin Toxicroak in Gen IV: the AI was blind to its ability, and kept hitting it with Water moves regardless. Maybe the AI is blind to its own ability after Entrainment, and although it 'could' cause damage and KO me, really it can't. It would need knowledge of how my moves interact with its ability, and it would have to recognise the pattern of loaf/Protect - I don't think the AI can do it.

If this holds true, then TruAnt will basically become the best setup lead in the game once it's released. I think that pairing it with Chomp works well, as they deal with weather effectively and Chomp is just fast and fun. That's another reason I went with Chomp over Hax - Haxorus needs 6DD plus a Sub times two for Protects = 14 turns of setup. Chomp needs 3SD plus Sub times two = 8 turns. Much better.

All sorts of things could work as a third: Air Balloon Metagross or Lucario, Terrakion or Suicune a la Jumpman, Rotom-H/W/F, anything that can revenge Chomp, really.

The last lead in the set of seven was actually an Abomasnow; the DT variant as it turned out. It went according to plan:
  • Durant Entrain, Aboma DT
  • Both loaf.
  • Durant Sandstorm, Aboma DT
  • Switch to Chomp, loaf.
  • Protect, attack or whatever.
  • Set up, sweep.

There you go. Thanks for reading: again, this isn't a serious record, but more of a proof-of-concept team. I'll keep playing it and see if it really works!
 
A. People generally should avoid talking about teams that aren't legal yet
B. I tried a Truant Durant, Protect Hone Claws Arena Trap Dugtrio, Protect Shadow Tag Chadelure team already but it was horrible (and I didn't post about it because it's not legal yet)
C. Rakham, you definitely meant Adamant on Metagross
D. That's a pretty weird Latios in my opinion, almost all Latios I've seen run Timid, and the coverage you get seems limited using Dragon/Water/Ice
E. bluemon, since the accuracy for Sheer Cold is a miserable 30, it's probably a better idea to go for bulk instead of Speed with something like Wallrein or Lapras with Rest, Sleep Talk, Fissure, Sheer Cold
F. Also consider using No Guard Golurk instead of Machoke

Also, just for fun, what I lost to on battle 25 in the Subway:
+2 Sand Veil Garchomp against Druddigon
Druddigon's Quick Claw activates, Druddigon uses Dragon Claw, critical hit
I send in Metagross
Metagross' Meteor Mash misses, Druddigon uses Crunch
Druddigon's Quick Claw activates, Druddigon uses Earthquake, I lose

And I didn't say to use No Guard Golurk, I said consider it for the future. But the real funny part is that you thought that that actually worked, I thought you wanted the No Guard to hit Sturdy Pokés like Bastiodon hard
 
LOL. first of all, you just told us not to use unreleased dream world pokemon like truant durant. and you are telling me to use the unreleased no guard golurk? lol.

secondly, the team is for Doubles. it abuses no guard +ohko since no guard allows all moves to hit indefinitely on the field
 
A. People generally should avoid talking about teams that aren't legal yet
Like I said, I'm doing a test run to see if Entrainment Durant works (so far it does, 21 wins and the AI hasn't switched). I'm doing it to see how the AI responds, and if this would be viable when or if DW Durant is released. I don't see the harm in discussing it. Obviously we don't want this thread to become a hackfest, but if everyone's totally upfront about what they're doing and they aren't claiming records, I say let them test. If someone wants to try out Contrary Serperior or whatever, go for it - just make it clear that it's 'off the record'. Since hacks won't get on the list, there isn't much incentive to do it other than to satisfy curiosity or try stuff out.

Actual illegal stuff is out of the question (Wondertomb etc). DW abilities are in the game's code, and Game Freak may or may not release them, so they could become legal at some point (third game in Gen V?).

F. Also consider using No Guard Golurk instead of Machoke
No Guard Golurk hasn't been released yet, same as Truant Durant...

Edit: Accelgor'd. Bluemon obviously wasn't holding an item there.
 

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secondly, the team is for Doubles. it abuses no guard +ohko since no guard allows all moves to hit indefinitely on the field
No Guard only causes attacks from the No Guard Pokemon, and attacks towards it to become 100% accurate. Thus you will be 100% accurate hitting your ally with Sheer Cold, but still 30% if you try on the opponent (assuming they don't have No Guard as well).
 
C. Rakham, you definitely meant Adamant on Metagross
D. That's a pretty weird Latios in my opinion, almost all Latios I've seen run Timid, and the coverage you get seems limited using Dragon/Water/Ice
Lol, accidentally had them all Modest, but yeah, Adamant and Timid respectively. I know Dragon/Water/Ice seems limited, and I thought I'd probably end up changing it, but I haven't so far, since Dragon Pulse just ploughs through everything, and anything at +1, and Surf covers pretty much everything else. Ice Beam was kind of just filler originally, but it does get really nice super effective coverage. I would consider changing Ice Beam to Psyshock to hit stuff like Virizion harder. I tried Dragon/Electric/Ice for a while since I figured it would get better super effective coverage, but I didn't really need it due to DP's power and Magnezone was more annoying than Ferrothorn or Empoleon for me to deal with, and so I just switched back.

tl;dr- Looks bad, is good (for subway at least).
 
wait REALLY.... oh...then a gimmicky double skill swap set maybe.
Try it? I just don't see it working because it needs like 3 turns to set up and the computers could easily screw you over with tunderwave/protect/fake out. Or they could survive with focus sash. Or just flat out kill you.
 

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wait REALLY.... oh...then a gimmicky double skill swap set maybe.
I wouldn't bother. Machamp can't use skill swap or entrainment, and as far as I know the only pokemon that have both a OHKO move and a move that can allow them to have No Guard are Abomasnow (role play and sheer cold) and Wormadam-G (skill swap and fissure). Both of those are slow pokemon with many common weaknesses so it would be hard to pull the strategy off.

Alternatively, you could have a dedicated skill swapper to receive No Guard from Machamp and then pass it on to a OHKO user, but having 3 pokemon dedicated to a strategy that is far from guaranteed to work anyway is not a good idea. Feel free to try it though if you really want to.
 
Just wanted to say, recently I tried using a Moody Baton Pass Smeargle, which was kind of fun, but didn't get me very far. :P

Moveset was:
Jolly @ Leftovers
252 HP 252 Speed 4 Def
- Spore / Substitute / Minimize / Baton Pass

Might be better with Coil or Quiver Dance or Shell Smash instead of Minimize, but heh, o well. My lead was Sash Whimsicott with Cotton Spore, so Smeargle will almost always outspeed opponent to spore first. If there was a move that raises accuracy and speed, that'd be pretty good, ensuring that Spore is kept at perfect accuracy and Smeargle always outspeeds, but this was still fun. The sweeper I used this time was Drapion with Earthquake over Rest (i.e. @Black Sludge with Sub / Accupressure / Crunch / EQ).

I have another similar idea in mind... I'll see how this one goes.
 
@Chinese Dood

I have wanted for a while to try out a team with

1.Cotton Spore Whimsicott

2.Moody Smeargle
Timid/Modest @Lefties or smthng
-Spore
-Substitute
-Stored Power
-Something to hit darks(&psychics(and maybe even steels)) or just Baton Pass(?)

3.Someone who takes care of Insomnia/Vital Spirit pokemon and those pokemon whose speed can't be lowered.

However after playing 550-600 hours of my White version I realized I have so much else to do, that it will probably take a while for me to actually try this kind of team in the Subway. :)
 
Hey I mean to try out a singles marathon run, but I don't know whether it's feasible to run a team of pokes I can obtain purely within the game through catching and breeding. If it is, what kind of team synergies do people usually run within the subway?
 
Hi im currently on holiday in turkey wiv the misses so reason this streak isnt amazing and y the write up might be disorganised due to using my psp to write this lol
Anyhoo i got a streak of 75 in super singles, not amazing but gets me on leader board just ha! Main reason im posting it is due to my coment to jumpman recently about grumpig. So i decided to try it out. I used same pokes as jump apart from pig obviously

Grumpig@choice scarf
252Speed/252d/4spd (cud be the otherway around i check later)
Trick
Twave
Flash
Confuse ray

That was the set i settled for 3 moves are obvious and i settled with cr as final, it has its uses on gaining free turns alongside misses and parahax n handy way to break sturdy but unsure on its worth.

but team seemed really solid ddnite is a monster! Love it lol.

My loss was hax and misplay/click.

Cott vs gengar
Cott taunt gen sludges bombs and posions to kill

Pig vs gengar

Complete misclick went for twave clicked trick i think i just lived the attack but cant remeber either way i faint

Nite vs gengar
I try set up but he got a timely crit for the win.

If cott hadnt been posioned i could have mementod out followed by twave switch trick switch set up but o well we try again soon.

Any thoughts?
 
I've been thunking about a gimmicky Belly Drum Darmanitan set to be used alongside a Whimsicott Switcheroo lead, and a Suicune CM/Sub booster. Basically Darmanitan comes in on the Fire/Ice/Bug moves and begins to setup. Just wanted some suggestions on what the set should look like. So far I have in mind a set as follows:



Darmanitan @ Sitrus Berry/Life Orb/Chesto Berry
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 6/252/0/0/0/252
Ability: Sheer Force
-Belly Drum
-Fire Punch
-Rock Slide/Sub
-Earthquake/Superpower/Rest

Basically the first approach is to Belly Drum after Whimsicott switches the scarf and spams flashes/charms and proceed to sweep after a Belly Drum, with Sitrus bringing Darmitan's HP back to 75%. Life Orb could replace Sitrus to strengthen Fire Punch and Rock Slide, but im unsure if the extra power is needed. The final option is a Belly Drum, Rest, Chesto strategy that could be interesting. Subsitute can really be thrown into any of these sets to block critical hits.