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Discussion in 'Orange Islands' started by Peterko, Mar 23, 2011.
Laugh, take a break and come back with a great record Peterko. Don´t let the subway get you down :)
yeah chin up peterko, ur one the legends on this page n for good reason u'l come back strong and blow us away with a awsome streak :)
would a surf spam team work?
it is kinda grass weak but watever.
Too grass/electric weak.
Replace your Vaporeon with a decent support Pokemon like Musharna/Beeheeyem with Telepathy. Immune to friendly fire and can dish out status or protect your team.
Also, Mixed Toxicroak with an Absorb Bulb is an option though Black Sludge/Life Orb and pure physical sets may be more your thing.
Toxicroak would have to have anticipation though because I don't think absorb bulb can be activated through dry skin (that was the case with storm drain when I tested it so I assume it works the same).
how about... parasect?
It’s troubling to hear the old masters of tower/subway getting worn down, but I guess it’ll make it all the better when you find that undefeatable team.
It might be a bit of a cliché, but Outrage with Lum seems to be pretty effective (Although you’d need HGSS I believe). I find at least half the time the lum gets used up for things like a random burn or switching in on a swagger or something.
I’d give it a try and see if you really need the yache, after all it only reduces Ice to a 2x which can still KO Chomp.
I guess with the yawn support you’d want to set up really quickly, maybe even a shell smash? Omastar doesn’t take Sandstorm damage but all the grass weaknesses could be a problem.
I used Politoed/Toxicroak/Ludicolo/Latios to get to 163. The basic premise of that team was to just spam Surf. I lost on my own misplay so the team itself I felt was pretty solid. Ice/Hail teams could still give it some issues but overall that was manageable. I was going to post a bit more about the team when I achieved a better record but R Inanimate pretty much killed any ambition I had for doubles subway.
I've been waiting until I found a truly successful team to post any streaks, and I'm really happy with the way my current team is functioning. I'm currently at 140 in Super Doubles and still climbing (hopefully for a long time to come).
The current team:
Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Rock Slide
- Fire Punch
Latios (M) @ Life Orb
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Dragon Pulse
- Draco Meteor
Cacturne (M) @ BrightPowder
Trait: Sand Veil
EVs: 24 HP / 252 Atk / 232 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Seed Bomb
- Sucker Punch
- Drain Punch
Heatran (M) @ Chople Berry
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 128 HP / 252 SAtk / 128 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Earth Power
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Ice]
The strategy is pretty simple. BandTar and LO Latios pretty much OHKO A LOT of things and cover each others weaknesses nicely. From there I wanted to see what I could do to eliminate two of the biggest threats in Super Doubles (imo), Trick Room and Hail.
Cacturne is my failsafe Trick Room counter, as well as just being awesome sitting comfortable behind his sub with auto +2 evasion. Adamant stab Sucker Punch hits a lot of things pretty hard and having a grass stab is pretty cool as well, as I usually can't find a good way to work them in to a team.
Heatran is my Hail counter, taking nothing from Ice moves and destroying Ice types in return. I've used a lot of different items on him from Lefties to QC and most recently Chople (because of the musketeers being so frequent up here and my team being severely weak to fighting).
So that's the team, and having said that, my biggest concern is that my massive fighting weakness will do me in eventually. Latios Psychic OHKO's every fighting type that I've come across, but if Latios is dead I really don't have an answer, and relying on Cacturne and Sand Veil alone to Seed Bomb through fighting types is not very comforting (not to mention nearly impossible if it's a Virizion on the other side..drain punch doesn't do enough at all..).
Anyways that's my team and streak thus far. I've been playing all day and I'm taking a break for the night so that I don't misplay due to being tired. And yes, my Ttar has Aerial Ace just for the snow cloak bitches.
Yeah i did think about using outrage n lum but i like the flexability dragon claw gives, i do have a outrage chomp somewhere so might try it out. I forgot to mention on previous members that i tryed shell smash oma and it felt to weak thats why i switched to garchomp. First play was excadrill n oma lol. I didnt want to use chomp but in the end i had to lol.
updated the list
post here if I made any mistakes or forgot someone
Carl I´ve added your 163 in doubles that you mentioned, it´s top 10, so if you feel like it, edit your post with the movesets
Cheers for the time and effort peterko
having a streak or two in doubles atm then i think il go back to singles.
Umbreon my fav poke of all time anyone got any good ideas on how to use one in the subway? Was concidering yawn n stat lowerer (flash,charm,snarl etc) or maybe a curser but would need to run dig i guess cause that new dark attact rise ability thing, unsure but really wana do well with the puppy haaa
Talking about.favorites same goes for arcanine? Gutted he didnt get drought :(
I think baton pass curse would be interesting. Other than that I think its just good for baton passing mean look which isn't needed.
You could pull a whimsicott beat up with a justified arcanine. Only if its released though, I haven't checked.
I don't think Justified growlithe is released yet, and Arcanine not resisting dark type doesn't really help much either (though +4 Extremespeed would be interesting). Maybe I'm just inexperienced with Arcanine, but I can really only see Arcanine running Choice Band or physically based mixed LO set with Overheat (Probably something like Overheat, Extremespeed, Close Combat, Crunch/Wild Charge/Coverage Move).
EDIT: Oooo nevermind... I just never saw one haha.
For Umbreon, Snarl is not currently legal yet since the Snarl TM is not available yet and Eevee cannot learn it as an egg move (through Zoroark breeding chain). So as for stat lowering, your best bet might be Yawn, Charm, Flash, Taunt/Torment/Confuse Ray/Wish/Moonlight.
I thought I read that Baton Passing Mean Look no longer works anyway.
Speaking of Beat Up Justified,
@Peterko: I noticed that you have the Beat Up TerraCott combo in your list of obtained pokemon. Have you tried that out in subway yet (probably with Wide Lens for Rock Slide or something like that)?
1. Justified Growlithe is released, I think it was from the start. I already have it, although I´ve only bred a Close Combat Intimidate one.
Talking about the Dream World, I only managed to get a female Poliwag a few days ago after countless tries, which was the reason I had no chance to use a rain team. I learned a few weeks ago that to get females more often, I would have to get the lowest score possible. This way, I´ve had a much higher success rate.
2. Heh, I wondered if anyone would take a look at my roster :p (the first 6 were actually my VGC team) and yes I did try it (terracott) and I think I posted a bit about it...something like Rock Slide missing as soon as in the 4th battle or so lol...rock slide is really really bad :( plus Terra doesn´t live long enough to be overpowered...from my exp. even +4 rock slide wasn´t OHKOing anything nameworthy
Rock Slide in doubles is just 56 base power, even tripled it doesn´t do enough damage (I felt), but I might be wrong because I only did two streaks (slapped darm/haxo in the back IIRC) and maybe those weren´t proper tries.
3. Back to Arcanine, maybe I´ll try it, as it´s my favourite Pokémon. Unless I use uber physical attackers in the back, a Beat Up from 0 IV Whimsicott shouldn´t do that much damage.
Hmm, so Whimsicott´s Beat Up has 11 base power and with 64 attack it does 4-5 damage to Arc, Arcanine itself would do 8-10 damage...well I´d just slap a Sitrus Berry on it and it would hopefully recover the health after Flare Blitz.
Speaking of (un)released Pokémon, I´d like to try Follow Me Justified Luca with partner Latios in the future.
On an unrelated note, I´m breeding Shellos in SoulSilver right now and bred a LRod Cubone two hours ago, I want to try them out in the Subway in the next few days.
EDIT: lol here´s the post, it was only one sentence and only one streak.
Hmm, now that I think about it, I should try Whimsicott as Ninetales´ partner, it´s fast as hell by itself plus priority charm the sliders/quakers and set up sun against ice/sand workers without having to switch.
...oh and the Venu C-Gear skin is the most amazing thing to look at in the game
Ah that is true. I stand corrected.
i just came up with the best team ever.
but i need a replacement for mienshao.
but heres the team. its based on u turn spam.
mienshao @wide lens
jolly 4hp 252atk 252spd
-hi jump kick
scizor @choice band
adamant 252hp 252atk 4spd
rotom-w @choice scarf
modest 4hp 252special attack 252speed
-hydro pump (hasnt missed for me yet)
very nice team as the AIs dont switch.
only problem are hard hitting fighting types. is gengar good? but it has fail miss. (focus blast) suggestions are welcome.
preferably a fighting resist to replace miensha
sorry for the double post, but how does jellicent sound? resists fire and immune to fighting. now i am destroyed by electric types...
Try bulky reuniclus with calm mind, psyshock(not psychic), shadow ball, Focus blast. Put 252 EVs into HP, 252 into SAtk, 6 SDef with a modest nature. That should solve your fighting problem while maintaing the synergy of the team. Give it leftovers for maximising longevity. Good luck!!!
I actually typoed it's 164 !
Anyway, words for reference...
Politoed @Sitrus Berry
~ Ice Beam
~ Hidden Power
Toxicroak @Focus Sash
Ability: Dry Skin
~ Fake Out
~ Drain Punch
~ Sucker Punch
The lead combo is Politoed and Toxicroak with the basic doubles premise of flinch something and do spread damage. Politoed can actually do some work in rain and the attack support from Toxicroak lead to a lot of single handed sweeps with these two. Sitrus Berry turns plenty of 2HKOs into 3HKOs so it's well worth it IMO.. staying power and being able to switch out and back in again is pretty important. Plus I liked having the flexibility to change attacks. The Hidden Power, if you didn't click the link, is Grass.. the IVs were completely accidental when I was RNGing Poliwags but the stats were "good enough" so I kept it at the time. I needed a filler move and well, haven't looked back since. HP Grass wasn't used often but it was nice to hit certain water Pokemon a bit harder without having to necessarily switch out. Sash on Toxicroak is vital for those first turns where both pokemon are a threat and you can only Fake Out one... Croak usually acts as a pseudo Follow Me turn 2 in those situations and by turn 3 can finish something off, if Politoed hasn't already, with Sucker Punch. In addition, and this probably goes without saying, Rain + Drain Punch + Surf can usually make it easy for Toxicroak to tank a OHKO through Sash and restore its health completely in as little as 2 turns.
Ludicolo @Lum Berry
Ability: Swift Swim
~ Fake Out
~ Giga Drain
~ Ice Beam
Latios @Life Orb
~ Dragon Pulse
For the back half of the team, I wanted something with Swift Swim and something that could abuse Thunder. I started with Kingdra and Thundurus but quickly realized that being able to eat water attacks (friend or foe) was important on this team. Thundurus is was too frail for that so it was gone. In came Latios, next best candidate, and 2 Dragons wasn't gonna fly so I swapped in Ludicolo as the Swift Swim abuser. Turns out both these pokemon fit beautifully with the leads. Both are bulky enough to switch into attacks they resist without too much concern (Latios especially covers things that hurt the leads), both can handle water attacks and both can usually attack first.. and hard. Having a secondary Fake Out pokemon can come in pretty handy and I chose Giga Drain for the rare healing opportunities. Protect on Latios is necessary for times I want to Surf but don't want to take additional damage as well as for those pesky Sucker Punchers. Not too much else to say.. pretty basic. Lum Berry because paralysis sucks. A lot.
Main issues for this team, like I stated earlier, were Hail/Ice teams because of freezes and weather change.. this team likes Rain and prefers to function in it... and Trick Room teams. TR is stallable, hence all the Protects, but certain pokemon can cause real challenges. Normally, I would try to Fake Out and double target any TR threats and KO them before they use the move. Best you can do if TR gets set up is to work around it and stall it out. Sand teams can also be pesky but thanks to all the water/fighting/ice attacks they're much easier to handle. I also hated bug types due to the weakness on the back end. Manageable but annoying... especially that damn Defend Order Vespiqueen.
I forgot how I actually lost for this streak but if I remember right it was because I misplayed, didn't attack properly and ended up on the wrong end of a 1 on 1 with Latios and Ice Shard Mamoswine in Hail.
252 hp 252 defense 4 special defense
Looks like its u v me peterko in the battle for the arcanine streak :p
i need help. i decided to keep mienshao. need help picking the sets tho.
1) mienshao@wide lens
4hp 252atk 252spd
-hi jump kick
4hp 252atk 252spd
-hi jump kick
set 1 is for reliability, with a more accurate hi jump kick, and a slightly more powerful stone edge but 2 less accuracy.
set 2 is for power, while it lacks reliability.
life orb rock slide is basically a wide lens stone edge with higher accuracy little less power, and a 30 flinch chance
@bluemon: If you are using Mienshao for Single (which I'm pretty sure you are), you shouldn't even risk using rock slide missing I don't think, especially on Mienshao which can't really take a hit. The 2nd moveset with wide lens is probably the only one that's acceptable, with both hi jump kick and rockslide at 99% accuracy. Just my opinion.
Psyshock + HP Fighting is also completely walled by Spiritomb, so you might want to try HP Bug instead (if you don't mind hitting steels for nve).
Hmmm.. from what i have noticed, hydro pump and stone edge NEVER missed on me. AND all these pokes are living with like 10 percent health from hi jump kick...
ill try life orb. is 90 Accuracy bad?