Blissey's never been particularly hard to deal with in 4th Gen, and with all of the new contenders, especially a SPECIAL ATTACKER (one that doesn't even get psycho shock) that apparently warrants a move slot (or two) just to deal with, I don't see Blissey being too great anymore. There's also the meta leaning towards physical offense instead of special offense (outside of Shanderaa and some others like Starmie) making it not as great. Blissey's still a good Pokemon and all, but she's just not amazing anymore.
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Blissey
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If you really think about it, Shanderaa can't do shit to Psych Up Blissey, but Blissey without HP Ground can't do shit to Shanderaa either so...
Just use shed shell, it not only help you vs shaderaa but also helps vs the more dangerous wobbufet. People stop overrating shaderaa is weak to all entry hazards and is frail, switching in is not easy and is trapped and killed by scarftar easily, and luring it is easier than what you may think.
Now to the real point, Blissey will be helpful in this gen, just as she was on all the older gens, specially now with the the improved wish and mosters like urugamusu and zasando running rampart. Also if you pair it with skarmory you can easily cover most of the new phsycal sweepers who can switch easely on bliss like doryuzuu, guts roopushin and the flying/ground genie
Now to the real point, Blissey will be helpful in this gen, just as she was on all the older gens, specially now with the the improved wish and mosters like urugamusu and zasando running rampart. Also if you pair it with skarmory you can easily cover most of the new phsycal sweepers who can switch easely on bliss like doryuzuu, guts roopushin and the flying/ground genie
Shanderaa isn't that frail -______-
SkarmBliss won't be as hard to get past since quite a few special attackers got Psycho Shock (i think that's what it's called?)
Blissey will always be helpful. However it won't be as good this gen because the pokemon, to be blunt, hit like a fucking train.
SkarmBliss won't be as hard to get past since quite a few special attackers got Psycho Shock (i think that's what it's called?)
Blissey will always be helpful. However it won't be as good this gen because the pokemon, to be blunt, hit like a fucking train.
Once again, Shed Shell on Blissey = No leftovers, which is kinda crucial for walls. And I'll admit that the Blissey vs. Shanderaa is debatable, but Skarmory vs. Shanderaa is not.
Shanderaa is not as frail at she seems at a glance. My CS Shanderaa set with 4 HP EVs has survived a sun+encourage boosted Flare Blitz from a 252 ATK CS Hihidaruma. Yes, that's resisted but you have to remember how ridiculously powerful that is even with a resist. Pursuit trapping with ScarfTar may not work as well as you think.
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That was a resisted hit quite a few pokemon can do that :P
But I agree, Shanderaa isn't as frail as Bad Romance is saying.
Does Pre-Evo stone really exist btw?
That was a resisted hit quite a few pokemon can do that :P
But I agree, Shanderaa isn't as frail as Bad Romance is saying.
Does Pre-Evo stone really exist btw?
How much does Encourage boost? If it's a 1.5 boost like initially speculated, even a resisted FB in those conditions packs a ridiculous punch. Remember that this was in the sun.
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Encourage Boost is 1.3x iirc
I calc'd it and...it should've OHKOed Shanderaa. Maybe I'm doing the calcs wrong but even without the Encourage Boost, CB 252+ FB does 106.5-125.2% to shanderaa in the sun.
Encourage Boost is 1.3x iirc
I calc'd it and...it should've OHKOed Shanderaa. Maybe I'm doing the calcs wrong but even without the Encourage Boost, CB 252+ FB does 106.5-125.2% to shanderaa in the sun.
Not banded, Scarfed Hihidaruma. Clarified that to show that it wasn't orb'd or banded. My point is, Scarftar can't hurt Shanderaa with Pursuit as much as the hit it was able to tank.
With the battle simulators, that a large amount of the community will be using, it won't matter so long as it's league.
I hate to be the cold pickle, but we're going off topic with this Hihidarmua/Shanderaa thing. I did a check, and HP Ground does about 102-120 (ROUGHLY) to Shanderaa, provided Blissey has no Special Attack EVs and Shanderaa has no Special Defense EVs.
Yea, we went off track. I was more of saying that Shed Shell isn't the answer to Blissey's problem with Shanderaa, as the suggested SS Blissey + ScarfTar combo doesn't work out as well as the one who suggested it thought.
On that note, has anybody tested to see if WishBliss is legal in 5th gen online? I've heard that random wi-fi prohibits the use of 3rd/4th-gen only movesets.
Makes me wonder if VGC11 will prohibit them as well.
Random WiFi prohibits a lot of random stuff and is not relevant, as you can use whatever you want on FC WiFi.
I tested both with shed shell and i never missed the leftovers recovery, im not just theorymoning im talking about actual test. And just for the record i used scarftar (who also check a huge amoung of new and old pokemon) with them making shanderaa useless, and then teams who needs shaderaa to take out skarmory easily walled.
Even so, that's half your team all to take down a chandelier.
Especially what with ScarfTar not actually being as big of a threat as some people think it is to quite a few Shanderaa sets.
No, wait, I take back my earlier comment. Even T-Tar won't do much.
If Shanderaa stays in and takes the Pursuit, with no defense EVs and provided T-Tar outruns him, Pursuit's only doing 114-135 if he stays in. Shanderaa has more than enough HP to stay in and burn T-Tar.
And a burnt T-Tar, especially a Scarftar, has less use than a Wiggleytuff.
EDIT: Forgot to factor in STAB. Pursuit does 170-201.
If Shanderaa stays in and takes the Pursuit, with no defense EVs and provided T-Tar outruns him, Pursuit's only doing 114-135 if he stays in. Shanderaa has more than enough HP to stay in and burn T-Tar.
And a burnt T-Tar, especially a Scarftar, has less use than a Wiggleytuff.
EDIT: Forgot to factor in STAB. Pursuit does 170-201.
EXACTLY! This is what I was trying to get at with Shanderaa being bulky enough to take what almost equals out to a neutral hitting 120 physical attack off of 140 attack. Scarftar does not threaten Shanderaa at all.
Plus, those are going off of a special sweeping Shanderaa. Looking at his stats, I, for one, would go for max HP/Special attack.
This thread is about Blissey. Not about how something can come in on blissey and something else may be able to come in on that something and revenge kill it.
btw wish is now much better on Blissey. Instead of it healing half of the recipient's hp. It basically acts as giving the recipient half of Blissey's hp instead. So full hp recovery most of the time if blissey uses wish.
btw wish is now much better on Blissey. Instead of it healing half of the recipient's hp. It basically acts as giving the recipient half of Blissey's hp instead. So full hp recovery most of the time if blissey uses wish.
It is perfectly relevant to my interests, as default in-game rules tend to be similar to official tournaments and thus can provide some clues as to what will and will not be legal for next year.