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Budgetmons! (Now playable on Joim's Lab!)

Discussion in 'Other Metagames' started by apt-get, Aug 7, 2013.

  1. iliekmudkipz123456789


    Apr 6, 2013
    I think Abra could be a good choice. It has base 105 special attack and base 90 speed at the cost of 310 BST.
    BTW, I would like to share my team with you guys. :D

    Zweilous---> Bulky rest talk with dragon tail and crunch
    Alakazam----> Sash attacker with encore
    Breloom---> Standard set but with muscle band and focus punch over swords dance
    Pikachu---> Special attacker with fake out
    Trapinch---> Somewhat decent trapper
    Ditto------> Choice Scarf obviously lol
  2. Arcticblast

    Arcticblast A stupid hipster, with emphasis on the stupid
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    Nov 29, 2008
    I suppose I'll post my team (it's a work in progress).

    fuck speed (open)

    Duosion @ Eviolite
    Trait: Magic Guard
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk
    Quiet Nature
    IVs: 30 Atk / 30 SAtk / 2 Spd
    - Trick Room
    - Recover
    - Psychic
    - Hidden Power [Fire]

    Trapinch @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sheer Force
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Brave Nature
    IVs: 0 Spd
    - Earthquake
    - Crunch
    - Rock Slide
    - Quick Attack

    Ferroseed @ Eviolite
    Trait: Iron Barbs
    EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 Atk
    Relaxed Nature
    IVs: 0 Spd
    - Gyro Ball
    - Leech Seed
    - Stealth Rock
    - Protect

    Smeargle @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Own Tempo
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SDef / 252 Def
    Relaxed Nature
    IVs: 0 Spd
    - Spore
    - Trick Room
    - Spikes
    - Destiny Bond

    Banette @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Cursed Body
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Brave Nature
    IVs: 0 Spd
    - Trick Room
    - Shadow Claw
    - Sucker Punch
    - Magic Coat

    Terrakion @ Salac Berry
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
    Jolly Nature
    - Close Combat
    - Stone Edge
    - Substitute
    - Swords Dance
    Yeah, it's Trick Room. I've got a bit of an issue though - I really want to upgrade Duosion to Reuniclus. I have 50 BP remaining, meaning that if I demote Terrakion to a Mienshao I'll be able to pay the extra 120 BP for Reuniclus. Then, however, I lose my only Volcarona check. I could also completely drop a Pokemon - most likely Trapinch - but that presents its own issues. I'll be able to upgrade to Reuniclus with 170 BP to spare if I drop Trapinch, but then I'll have to figure out another use for that massive amount of BP.

    Anyone have any ideas?
  3. breh

    breh 強いだね
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    Feb 6, 2010
    Swap Banette for Yamask? Night Shade / Trick Room / Magic Coat / filler (pain split maybe?)
  4. TheAzumaKiller


    Aug 27, 2013
    Treaths list:
    Azumarill: A strong and relatively cheap physical attacker
    Medicham: A powerful and fast physical sweeper
    Riolu: A cool abuser of Prankster, using Copycat to get priority Roar, and with an awful BST
    Sableye: An efficient prankstermon, getting priority status and recover, and with little BST.
    Smeargle: A fast all-purpose utility, capable of literally anything.
    Hippopotas: A sturdy physical wall that gets useful trait in Sand Stream.
    Ditto: A copy of the coolest 'mon in the opponent's team for 288 BST!
    Ferroseed: A great mixed wall that costs 305 BSP and can set up many hazards
    Vulpix: A cheap, altought horrible, pokemon for set up sun
    Breloom: The bastard mushroom it is in OU.
    Politoed: Altought expensive, it is a great thing that sets up rain, aiding Azumarill and Ferroseed to do their work.
    Murkrow: Versatile pokemon, spacing from being a good attacker or a prankstermon.
    Darumaka: Solid Choice Scarfer.
    Drilbur: The economical way to abuse of Sand Rush, tought it is frail.
    Pikachu: Great mixed attacker if you want a filler.
    Butterfree: Decent Quiver Dance Sweeper, and cheap!
    Purrloin: Ragequit now.
    Clefable: Good CM tank with such an expansive movepool and with a great ability, becoming a wonderful status absorber; it is a little expensive tought.
    Staraptor: A speedy and powerful sweeper and with two moves nearly perfect Cover.
    Tyrogue: An useful filler if you want to weaken stuff or revenge kill frail sweepers with Fake Out + Mach Punch
    Chansey: A nearly unbreakable wall, a little expensive tought.
    Sandslash: Expensive Sand Rush sweeper.
    Suggest me more!


    Jul 20, 2010
    Diglett is a decent weather trapper and very cheap. Cleffa works well on endeavor teams.

    Laughable BST + Focus Sash Magic Guard is really hard to beat.
  6. Inferstrain


    Aug 22, 2013
    Free team for anyone who'd like to try this metagame out but is lazy.
    Ditto @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Imposter
    EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Serious Nature
    - Transform
    Smeargle @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Own Tempo
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Timid Nature
    - Spore
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Stealth Rock
    - Memento
    Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef
    Calm Nature
    - Aromatherapy
    - Seismic Toss
    - Softboiled
    - Toxic
    Azumarill (F) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Huge Power
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Aqua Jet
    - Aqua Tail
    - Superpower
    - Ice Punch
    Haunter @ Black Sludge
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
    Timid Nature
    - Substitute
    - Shadow Ball
    - Disable
    - Sludge Bomb
    Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
    Trait: Iron Barbs
    EVs: 212 Def / 252 HP / 44 SDef
    Impish Nature
    - Leech Seed
    - Power Whip
    - Protect
    - Spikes
    I just want to say that I'm pretty hooked. This metagame is a wonderful idea. I love playing this, and if you haven't, go ahead now. I have an okay team, but it's countered by weather in the end. I usually do 2 fillers/support, 2 cheap sweepers and 2 expensive-ish walls. It's a really great thing to do. Also, congrats on OMotM!
  7. Mulan15262


    Apr 5, 2013
    I just saw a team consisting of a ditto, a prankster liepard, and prankster purrloin, and a smeargle. The smeargle knew Dive, Shadow Force, Fly, and Dig. The Liepard and Purrloin used Assist, which would only pick a move the smeargle knew and leads me to believe the liepard and purrloin knew only assist. I couldn't see his entire plan, though, because he forfeited.

    That was one interesting team.
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  8. noobcubed


    Jun 9, 2013
    Yeah "DiveCatz" (named for obvious reasons) is a well-known trick. The cats will be holding Lagging Tails. This continually allows them to abuse Assist in the following way: Use Assist, it has priority so it always goes first (Lagging Tail is overridden). Assist selects a two-turn move, and on the second turn of the move, Lagging Tail causes the cat to move last. In this way, the cats remain invulnerable as long as they can use assist, as long as the opponent doesn't carry priority moves (to hit them before Assist), negative priority moves (to hit them after the second turn of Assist), sand, hail, Prankster or No Guard. Thing is though, even if you have none of these things, their damage output is so miserable you can usually PP stall them into submission if you have anything with a recovery move.

    I reckon building an entire team around such tactics would work reasonably well, in fact i don't know if FLCL's recent NU RMT comes out in budget but even if it doesn't you can probably just use some pre-evolved members of the mons on his team and have a pretty decent chance of winning matches. The RMT is here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/a-cat-is-fine-too.3488669/
  9. apt-get

    apt-get 笑っている 今が愛おしくて ひとりじゃないと思った
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    Aug 19, 2012
    it was well known before "divecatz" as SPOOKY BOOGIE, using shadow force instead
    it's way better and a spooky boogie team is actually good in budgetmons
  10. Arcticblast

    Arcticblast A stupid hipster, with emphasis on the stupid
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    Nov 29, 2008
    The name DiveCats comes from the VGC community, and iirc it predates "Spooky Boogie."
  11. Alphonse Loeher

    Alphonse Loeher

    Mar 23, 2014
    Okay I need a calculator ready at hand ._.
  12. Uselesscrab


    Nov 25, 2012
    You also bumped a topic that was 7 months old.

    Anyway, I think this metagame could catch on once again, since it's so different from the OMs that are currently being played.
  13. JustAMan


    Sep 6, 2013
    Now Azumarill is even better than it was, with his counters being expensive and him being not ( dat +10 in Satt tho)

    Having Megas seems like a good idea,
    especially when stuff like Megamaw is there.

    Togetic looks like a cool option:

    Modest Nature
    Ability: Super Luck
    EVs:252HP/252 Satt/4 Spe
    - Nasty Plot
    - Roost
    - Dazzling Geam
    - Flametrhower
    Last edited: May 29, 2014
  14. 11pikabro


    Feb 14, 2014
    Hopefully this gen, I won't be walled hard by Toxicroak again...
    I'm looking forward to seeing the likes of Diggersby rampaging the metagame, as well as Azumarill's new typing.

    Do Pokémon's Mega Evolutions BST's affect the BST limit after Mega evolving? If not, I'd be prepared to face the likes of Mega Medicham, Mega Scizor, Mega Manectric, and most importantly, Mega Mawile (which sits at a nice 380 BST before Mega Evolving).
  15. JustAMan


    Sep 6, 2013
    Dugtrio regains use: His sky-high Speed and relatively good attack make it a great partner to remove troublesome 'mons.
    Also it is very cheap.
  16. vyomov


    Apr 7, 2013
    This is a meta that should be brought back this gen - with the megas, it's even more challenging to build a good team since, say, Mega Char X + paralysis + filler would make a good enough team to sweep.
    The buff to knock off also means that eviolite filler is susceptible to becoming even more useless, so might be difficult to run too many NFEs.
  17. JustAMan


    Sep 6, 2013
    You don't even need Paralisys (hi dragon dance).
    I agree with you on Evioliite becoming worse, and Purrloin won't ever be there cuz of Swagger Clause.
  18. PlatypusPrincess


    Apr 27, 2014
    It's not all lost for Purrloin. It's still a cheap supporter. Prankster weather is nice, Prankster paralysis is nice.
    Trick can disrupt walls and Pokemon relying on special Items. There is still Taunt and Encore.
    It will still see use despite the SwagPlayBan.
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  19. Olaph Olaffsson

    Olaph Olaffsson

    May 5, 2014
    Mega Medicham/Mawile would completely break this meta, given their ability and BST 100 higher than the cost. Smeargle and Shedinja are also good options. Huge/Pure Powers need a ban. Megas would need them in Gen6.
  20. Snaquaza

    Snaquaza Snaquille O'Quazeal
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    Apr 7, 2013
    This is a BW Metagame, so no point in talking about XY here.

    If you want to have a XY version of Budgetmons contact apt-get and ask if he'll propose a XY version, or if he doesn't want to, if you can make one.
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