We've been at this for a pretty long time in #cap, and I wanted to make an important observation for those following this thread. Nowhere have we found that CAP 5 needs to be a bulky sweeper in order to fulfill our concept. So when setting stat limits, it is important to consider the implications of the limits you are supporting in terms of a resulting bulky sweeper. I've seen a lot of suggestions for leaving limits loose and letting the stat spread submitters decide, and I guarantee you that road will wind up with a bulky attacker, because everyone will want to tank Latios, OHKO other threats with certain moves, not die to non-STABed neutral physical attacks, and so on. What we need to do is one thing, and do it well. I'm going to help jas pound the nail into the coffin of high speed. I don't think there is a single convincing argument on the table for why we should allow it. I hope you all realize that by "outspeeding Latios", you now effectively outspeed a myriad of other Pokemon, including all other dragons and base 100's. There aren't too many walls in OU that are faster than Latios, and those that are (Latias), are often tempted to run some bulky attacking spread of their own (SubCM comes to mind). There is no way to outspeed Latios with stats without entirely throwing off how CAP 5 interacts with other Pokemon and their speed. People bring up all these situations about CAP 5 trying to beat Latios. You have to consider that we're more or less screwed from the get go if it decides to use Trick or Hidden Power Fire in the sun. We're not going to beat 100% of its sets; embrace that. Let's please stop pretending that we can. This pretend match of switching into Specs Latios isn't going to happen every match (or even most of them), so let's stop basing our Pokemon's stats off of one move on one set. If you look at our list of things we want to threaten, all of them are dedicated Special Attackers. It's pretty obvious that all we need here is Amazing ST, and the rest will more or less fall into place. Maybe some attack to fight back with, sure. But we don't need oodles of speed; that path is destined for a bulky attacker, and that doesn't really address the concept and our decisions up to this point.