Due to popular demand, I've decided to start this thread up and prolong it. So, I'm expecting quite a good amount of discussion here in CAP! However, that also means that there are more rules to follow!!!! ;^_^ <3 Typing: Dark/Ground Ability: Auto-Magic Coat Ability: Guts Stat Spread: 133/122/72/71/71/95 This is a Counters Discussion thread. Hope you all know what a counter is, but talk on checks are indeed welcome too. For the uneducated, here's a quick Plus definition on counter. A pokemon that is able to switch into the common moves of a pokemon and cause a threat instantly. (Ex. Restalk Machamp switching in on Blissey, Magnezone coming in on Skarmory) A check is a pokemon that can come in on some moves, but not all. They can cause a threat, and provides a decent enough coverage on a certain pokemon. (Ex. Scarf Latias can come in on a Salamence EQ/Fire Blast/Roost/DD, but not a Dragon move.) If you know how to build a team, you will realize that you have enough pokemon to check most of the metagame, but to counter most of them is nigh impossible. So, make sure you remember this, and don't make a retarded discussion!!!! Rules: Follow my definitions, please! Distinguish a check from a counter. It's really not that hard, but many people tend to mix the two up. Polljumping - keep it to a minimum. We've only got movepool left tbh, and while I'm perfectly fine with people saying "x pokemon would not be a counter if this pokemon got y move", please don't base your whole argument off of it. You're basing your arguments off of the counter itself, not the move. No threadhogging. Usually this gets tougher the longer a thread lasts, so I'm expecting you guys to not uh... hog the thread. This isn't a thread created for 2-4 users to discuss shit, it's for everyone. Name a threat, and move on. I don't want multiple pages of people blabbering the same shit over and over again. Another thing I don't want is "agreeing with user for reasons already stated." Uh thanks? I'm glad you agree with them, but who cares? Promote the discussion. Nobody wants to hear your opinion unless you back it up with FRESH arguments. Naming checks are fine, too. To be honest this isn't really just counters discussion. In a larger view it's really a thread to discuss the problems that may arise for this CAP. We're here to identify them so we can adjust our movepools accordingly. Make sure to limit the discussion to pokemon and one pokemon only, and don't bring up "walled by skarmbliss" shit. Only ONE pokemon. Right, have fun.