*Some stuff about Revenankh that got cut off*
eric the espeon: yes, its a top class pokemon that can sweep if you don't know how to play against it
Wyverii: It works like any other bulky stat upper except it tends to work better than most. A counter for Rev might make things easier.
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eric the espeon: There are some great counters
eric the espeon: Zappy with MS or HP Fly is my fave but things like Kiss and Fidgit work too
eric the espeon: Leach Seed + a decent special attacker is effective
eric the espeon: Powerful Phychic/Ghost/Flying attacks in general should do a lot but you have to get them in fast before it sets up.
Wyverii: That's where most people fall.
Wyverii: They let him set up.
eric the espeon: yea
eric the espeon: some OU teams just don't happen to have a counter though
eric the espeon: Or people go to Heatran or something and hope
Wyverii: Yea, thinking about it he is a bit centralizing.
eric the espeon: Well it reqires every team to have at least one fo the ~15 Pokemon that can take it on, or one of the ~5 that counter it well.
eric the espeon: Or risk a easy loss
Wyverii: Togekiss or Zapdos tend to good Pokes here in general though so it not bad enough to warrent his statistics.
eric the espeon: Without Ice Punch IMO its not that bad, but IP Rev is very hard to take out if used well
eric the espeon: SkyMin is 1KO'd some of the time, Mence is 2KOd and Zappy/Kiss can be forced to roost and hit by Hammer Arm
Wyverii: Probably just used as a newbie killer and a good all round threat. I'm glad Rev was revised.
eric the espeon: Yea, its a bit more fair now. But its still a great Pokemon.
Wyverii: Not to forget a great spin blocker
eric the espeon: mm
eric the espeon: that too
eric the espeon: wonder how far Dusknoir fell..
Wyverii: 85 in current stats. 63 uses out of 2799.
eric the espeon: lol
Wyverii: Rev killed him. lol
eric the espeon: 35th in OU
eric the espeon: thats quite a fall
Wyverii: He ties with Houndoom.
eric the espeon: Gallade is 68/48
eric the espeon: Breloom only fell from 36 to 43
Wyverii: Hmm, Milotic's 71.
eric the espeon: where?
Wyverii: In CAP
eric the espeon: Ninjask is higher on normal, but missed out CaP OU
eric the espeon: 49th on normal
eric the espeon: 46th here
Wyverii: Apparent reason: lack of noobs xD
eric the espeon: yea..
eric the espeon: Ok I was wrong about that one
eric the espeon: Yanmega and Ninjask swapped places..
Wyverii: I guess small movements don't need too much of a reason.
Wyverii: Yanmega doesn't do too badly here.
eric the espeon: OU: Yan 46, Nin 49. CaP Yan 49, Nin 46
eric the espeon: ops
Wyverii: Wow, that's kinda weird
eric the espeon: no thats right
eric the espeon: yea..
eric the espeon: a little
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Wyverii: I'm chalking it down to coincedince.
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Wyverii: I wish people wouldn't do that
eric the espeon: leave straight after entering?
eric the espeon: wow...
Wyverii: Yea
eric the espeon: Snorlax fell from 32 to 56
Wyverii: Pretty big jump
eric the espeon: mm
eric the espeon: Rev sets up on it
eric the espeon: Fidgti Encores it
eric the espeon: thats kinda stuff
eric the espeon: *that
Wyverii: I remember somebody tried to set up a curselax on a rev before.
eric the espeon: I have had that a few times, great fun
eric the espeon: One of the few things Rev outspeeds after two hammer arms
eric the espeon: Cress dropped from 34 to 56...
Wyverii: It's one of those situations where I can't stop grinning and wanting to say "your fucked"
eric the espeon: Yea, great fun
Wyverii: Any reason for Cress dropping?
eric the espeon: not that much
eric the espeon: Maybe Tar's popularity?
eric the espeon: 9 on OU, 4 here
eric the espeon: SS and STAB Pursiut may help to explain it
eric the espeon: but thats a massive drop for such a strong wall
Wyverii: Neh, it might just be current popularity trends. We do have a small base after all. It's how we ended up with Abomasnow so high.
eric the espeon: hmm
eric the espeon: Maybe...
eric the espeon: Oak?
eric the espeon: They are kinda simmilar
eric the espeon: Both hate SS
eric the espeon: Both are very tough tanks
Wyverii: Oak can really set up though
eric the espeon: Both die to Tar's STAB moves
Wyverii: *can't
eric the espeon: But Oak can do much more with 1-2 turns
Wyverii: And Cressy can't leach seed. I guess if I had to pick between them it would be oak.
eric the espeon: Toxic their DDMence on the switch, LS their Heatran that kinda thing
eric the espeon: Maybe Oak outcompetes it, also people like to try CaPs
eric the espeon: lol
Wyverii: Cress still has its unique points so it's not outclassed like dusknoir is to rev.
eric the espeon: | 135 | Donphan | 19 |
eric the espeon: Thats on ladder.
Wyverii: ...what?
eric the espeon: And for OU it goes
eric the espeon: | 42 | Donphan | 15555 |
eric the espeon: hahahahah
Wyverii: Which is which?
eric the espeon: yea, so Donphan took a hit
eric the espeon: OU is the one with more than 20 uses.
eric the espeon: CaP has 19
Wyverii: I never got how Donphan was supposed to be so good anyway
eric the espeon: Ice Shard+Rapid Spin helps soem teams
eric the espeon: But the best spin blocker sets up on it and sweeps
eric the espeon: and Ice is not as useful here
Wyverii: There's better spinners even in OU. It's outclassed highly by Fidjit and rev's a big threat.
eric the espeon: yea
eric the espeon: I can see Don falling, but to 135?
Wyverii: I guess it all adds up.
eric the espeon: mm
Wyverii: Tentacruel's still doing well
eric the espeon: Weavile only fell two places
eric the espeon: 49 to 51
eric the espeon: yea, tenta is doign great
eric the espeon: 19 on CaP
eric the espeon: 39 on OU
eric the espeon: Best Oak counter, can slow Revvy, still is good against Ant.
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Wyverii: I ran a grass move on oak before so if I remember correctly I could deal with tenta.
eric the espeon: still only nutral damage
eric the espeon: and Tenta can set up
eric the espeon: hi LF
eric the espeon: Also check this one out
Wyverii: Hmm?
eric the espeon: OU: | 8 | Gengar |
eric the espeon: CaP
eric the espeon: | 27 | Gengar | 322 |
eric the espeon: thats significant
Wyverii: Holy crap how did that happen?
eric the espeon: urm
eric the espeon: not 100% sure
eric the espeon: probably a mix of...
eric the espeon: Oak walling, Rev SSing, Strata and Ant outcompeteing and Tar's popularity
eric the espeon: And Hyposis dropping quite a lot of acc
LF: heya eric
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eric the espeon: Skarm is doing well this month
eric the espeon: hi LF
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eric the espeon: CaP: | 11 | Skarmory |
eric the espeon: OU: | 30 | Skarmory |
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eric the espeon: I like the way CaP and OU are drifting apart and different pokemon are getting used.
Wyverii: Still hoping for Zapdos to start running HP flying more frquently?
eric the espeon: yea
eric the espeon: Its very good for Oak and revvy
eric the espeon: one of the better counters for both. Only Oak's toxic is any threat.
