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CAP1 - Part 11.5 - (Pre-Evo Art)

Discussion in 'CAP Pre-Evolution Workshop' started by Rising_Dusk, Apr 1, 2011.

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  1. Rising_Dusk

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    Dec 27, 2009
    This is the moment we've been working toward for the new pre-evo project, art!

    Art for the pre-evo is interesting and slightly different from the main CAP. You are not to design anything you feel like for the pre-evo, instead you should maintain some features about the design that remind you of the main CAP. This can be whatever you want out of artistic license, but I want to emphasize that you shouldn't post like a watery octopus Pokemon design for the pre-evo of a Flying/Fighting hawk/shaman Pokemon because it will not move onto the poll. I'm going to be extraordinarily lenient about this and accept pretty much anything conceivably close to the main CAP, but don't go too far overboard or it'll bite you in the butt. All of the same art rules apply, though, and I've listed them all well below for your referencing.

    Here's our CAP so far:
    Name: Tomohawk
    Typing: Flying / Fighting
    Base Stats: 105 HP / 60 Atk / 90 Def / 115 SpA / 80 SpD / 85 Spe
    Abilities: Intimidate / Prankster
    Pre-Evos: One

    Here's our pre-evo so far:
    Typing: Normal / Fighting

    Rules and Requirements

    Main Design

    The Main Design is intended to follow the same general posing and layout as the "Official Art" for existing ingame pokemon. The Main Design is the definitive design for a given pokemon and should be suitable for display in the CAP Pokedex section of the upcoming CAP Website, and any other CAP propaganda where a picture of the pokemon is needed. As such, the design should be "plain" -- a basic rendering of the pokemon itself, with no extra frills or artistic embellishment. The comparison to "Official Pokemon Art" is only applicable to the basic content of the Main Design; it does not imply ANY standards or guidelines regarding artistic style or rendering technique.

    The following rules of content must be followed for the Main Design:

    • It must be a single pose of a single pokemon. No other pokemon can be included for any reason. Only one pose rendering is allowed in the picture.
    • It must consist of the pokemon on a plain white background. No additional background detail or settings may be included. No additional background colors or patterns are allowed.
    • The entire pokemon must be in full view, and no part of the pokemon can be cropped or obscured by any design elements other than parts of the pokemon itself.
    • No props, action effects, move effects, environment effects or additional objects can be rendered on or around the pokemon. If a prop is part of the pokemon's basic design (ie Farfetch'd Stick), then it is acceptable.
    • Any 2D full color digital or traditional media may be used. 3D media are not allowed.
    • It must have a distinguishable outline on the entire subject in contrast to the background. No part of the design can be blurred into the background or blended into the background.
    • It must be no larger than 640 pixels on either axis, no smaller than 320 pixels on either axis, and must be in a compressed digital format. Uncompressed bitmaps and/or high-resolution images are not allowed.
    • It must be a digital rendering or a scan of a traditional drawing. No camera pictures are allowed.
    • It must be an original artwork by the person making the submission. Lifts, swipes, copies, or alterations of other artists' work are not allowed.
    The rules for Main Designs will be strictly enforced. Do not make comparisons to ingame pokemon designs or to past CAP designs, in order to determine if your design is in compliance with these rules. Some ingame Pokemon designs and past CAP designs are NOT CONFORMANT with the current CAP art submission rules, and emulating those designs is not an acceptable excuse for breaking the strict interpretation of the current rules.

    Supporting Material

    While the rules for the Main Design are somewhat rigid -- there are almost no rules when it comes to Supporting Material. Action scenes, movement studies, interaction with other pokemon, animations, sculptures, cartoon strips -- anything goes! Also non-art supporting material is also allowed. This includes detailed descriptions of the art, background data, stories, etc.

    All supporting art and information must be related to the main design in some way. This rule is intended to prevent artists from posting unrelated art, in an effort to gain more attention or promote other designs or artworks.

    Final Submission Post

    All artists must make a Final Submission Post in order to be considered for the Art Poll. The post must be titled "Final Submission". The post should have the Main Design at the top, and Supporting Material (if applicable) below it. All supporting art must be included as links or as linked thumbnails no larger than 150x150. Do not include full images of supporting art in the Final Submission.

    Only make ONE Final Submission Post. Artists are welcome to work on multiple designs and get feedback from the community, but only one design can be submitted for final consideration. If you wish to alter any aspect of your Final Submission, then edit your post. Do not make a new one, even if you delete your original post. Any delete + repost will be treated as bumping, and subject to moderation.

    General Posting Rules

    • Artists can post any work-in-progress (WIP) artwork, in order to solicit feedback or to help develop ideas. WIP artwork does not need to conform to the standards of a Main Design. It can be in any medium or stage of completion. But, it must be related to an original art design by the poster.

    • Do not spam the thread with excessive amounts of artwork. There are more specific rules listed below, but this rule serves as a catch-all for anyone that attempts to circumvent the exact rules mentioned below. Apparently, some artists think they will improve their chances in the poll if they overload the submission thread with their artwork. Some artists don't realize that they are "crowding out" other submissions by spamming the thread. Whatever the reason -- don't do it, or you will be moderated.

    • No post can contain more than 800x800 pixels of included art, and no single picture can be larger than 640 pixels on either axis. If an artist wishes to post art in excess of the 800x800 limit, they should post links to the additional art or use linking thumbnails. Each thumbnail can be no larger than 150x150. Any number of thumbnails can be included in a post, even if the sum of the thumbnails exceeds 800 pixels. Linked art can be of any size.

    • Do not make multiple art posts over a short period of time. If you do so, it will be moderated as an attempt to circumvent the art size limits mentioned above.

    • Do not post inconsequential "updates" to previously posted art. If you have made a significant change, and have not posted art recently -- feel free to post an update to the thread. But, insignificant changes will be moderated as an attempt to spam the thread with your art.

    • All posted art must be in a compressed digital format. Uncompressed bitmaps or high-resolution images will be deleted.

    • No art submissions should be modified by others without the explicit permission of the original artists.

    • Using other submissions as "inspiration" for an original artwork is allowed. However, "stealing" of designs is prohibited.

    • Do not post to state your intended design. Such posts are a weak attempt to "reserve" an idea, and serve no constructive purpose. If you aren't going to post an actual design, then don't tell us that you are "working on it".

    • No bumping or begging. If your design received little attention or commentary, don't bump it. Even worse, don't make a post begging for feedback. There are PLENTY of eyes viewing every post in the thread. If your design is any good, people WILL comment on it. If your design gets no feedback, then your design is not very good. The silence IS the feedback. Take the hint.

    • No posting of design ideas in search of an artist. This is an art submission thread, not an idea submission thread. If you can't draw, then don't post your idea. If you really want to see your idea submitted, then commission an artist and ask them to post it. But don't solicit artists here.

    • No posting of art or pictures intended to "give ideas" to artists to draw a design. This includes pictures of real life animals, character artwork from other games, or even Pokemon artwork. It spams up the thread and detracts from the original art submissions. It is acceptable for artists making a submission to post their inspirational references as part of their Supporting Material.

    • Do not declare any artwork as "the winner", "is clearly going to win", or similar. It's fine to post praise or support for an artwork, but don't make a statement indicating the results of a poll that has not been conducted. Such posts are insulting to all the other competing artists.

    • Do not post that a design does or does not "look like a Pokemon". Such comments are unable to be substantiated or refuted, and leads to never-ending bitching and bickering. We don't care if it is "just your opinion" -- it's a bullshit comment. There is no artistic style guide for Pokemon, so don't act like you know what a Pokemon should look like. If you like or dislike a design, that's fine -- just say that. But don't reference some mythical Pokemon style rules as "reasoning" for your opinion. It serves no purpose other than to troll the thread.

    • Do not post that a design "looks like a Digimon". It's a cheap shot, and you know it. See rule above.

    • Do not post questions asking for help in making a submission. If you don't know how to draw, ink, color, scan, save, compress, crop, thumbnail, or link an artwork -- don't ask for help here. This isn't a tutorial thread. By the way -- Google is your friend.

    • Do not ask when this thread will close. CAP threads do not follow a set timetable. If you want to know the overall sequence of events in a CAP, to get an idea of how long you have to submit a design -- then go to the CAP website and read the process guide. It's pretty easy to see the art poll coming up in relation to the other threads in the project.
    Artists, good luck, have fun, and do your best!
  2. The Other Doug

    The Other Doug

    Jun 13, 2009
    It's a shame I never had time to enter my concepts for the Main art contest, but this should be fun!

    Concept: I decided to look up images of totem poles. Eagles/Hawks are often found on the top; and since I imagine a tribe of pre-evos led by a chief Tomohawk, I decide to give this pre-evo an early version of that hawk head "hoodie" that looks like Human heads on totem poles with large noses.

    Rough Draft/Early Concept Art:
    -Those little "U"s on the torso are warrior markings, similar to the ones on the face. They're designed to look like simple feathers, but they aren't.

    -The arms are designed to be almost wing-like. I imagine that the pre-evo has a semi-bird-esque bone structure, so it could fly if it had feathers.

    Any feedback, positive or negative, is appreciated.
  3. paintseagull

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    Jul 22, 2010
    Cute time!

    This idea is for a lil fluffy fighting cub guy shaped like an egg! His arms are big and wide, so they look like they can evolve into wings, and are also meant to look like oversized sleeves. I gave him spots instead of eagle markings so he's look more egg-like than bird-like :) Feedback welcome!
  4. The Other Doug

    The Other Doug

    Jun 13, 2009
    Dawww! I really like the idea of making the pre-evo a cutemon, especially since I'd like this CAP to be in the Fairy egg group for egg move reasons. I don't really see any major changes you need to make to the design, but I'd like to see to see some supporting art of this little cub in action to help us see the secondary fighting typing.

    Great job so far.
  5. guddagudda


    Feb 16, 2011
    agreeing with The Other Doug. really want to see some Fairy egg group moves on this Pokemon. also, that's fucking adawwwable.

    however, I wouldn't look too much into having the arms "evolve into wings"... the wings and hawk head, in my mind, are something that Tomo USES, not actually part of him. kinda like a cubone's skull and bone

    this would also make more sense with his prevo being Normal/Fighting
  6. Gasoline


    Aug 31, 2009
    @paintseagull- wow looks so cute and just like its evolution so far i can really see it. hope to see more from it!
  7. Xiom


    Feb 27, 2010
    Normal Does make sense kind of... As a pure flying using roost turn normal and not ??? in gen V.

    And it looks really awesome Paintseagul :) Not to mention cute
  8. Luigifan


    Sep 5, 2010
    Whoa. This design's pretty awesome, especially for an early draft. I especially like the influences on the design - this really looks like it would logically evolve into Tomohawk.

    Also, just out of curiosity, where can I find the threads for the pre-evos and Pokedex data of the 11 DPPt CAPs?
  9. The Other Doug

    The Other Doug

    Jun 13, 2009
    The CAP community is still working on them.

    I won't be able to update my design until about tomorrow, but expect a cuter take on my rough draft.
  10. Kevin Garrett

    Kevin Garrett is a competitor
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    Jan 5, 2008

    It is a lion cub. The tail is rolled up along its back with the end of it resting on top of its head. When it evolves it comes off, allowing the mane on its head to extend.
  11. TeraVolt

    is an Artist

    Mar 26, 2010
    I'll give this a shot:
    Just a smaller, cuter version of Daddy. Gave it a little hoodie instead of the 'hawk head' and shorter face stripes. Ears and cute little head tufts get covered by hoodie upon evolution
  12. Aeron Ee1

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    Nov 30, 2009
    i like that suntt123, i really like that..
  13. RitterCat

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    Aug 28, 2010
    Well without meaning too, I've independently made a design very similar to paintseagull's. Oh well. Here it is.
  14. Sambobz


    Feb 25, 2011
    suntt123 - I wish there were a "like" functionality in these forums, yours is awesome.
  15. NDenizen


    Aug 25, 2010
    Liking the Hood idea quite alot on suntt123's design. It's a nice touch that adds to an already effective design.
  16. Attract


    Feb 22, 2011
    suntt123 - You're my hero. I'm worried about those ears though. They make minihawk look like a bear. And by that I mean they're pretty small.
  17. Energy Storm

    Energy Storm

    Jun 11, 2010

    Cause we know how cats are obsessed with their tails. And feathers. How about....tail feathers? YEAHHHHH
  18. Darkamber8828


    Dec 28, 2009
    Fucking adorable.

    Maybe make the tail a bit wider? The tail looks a bit like a balloon.

    Which is cool.

    But it'd look better if it didn't.

    And Tomohawk has no balloon-tail.

    Did I mention that thing is adorable?
  19. Focus

    Focus Ubers Tester Extraordinaire

    May 27, 2010
    @suntt123 I love it I love it I love it! For my tastes, the ears could stand to be just a tad bigger, and perhaps the eyes could be a bit smaller, but I really like the overall idea. The feathered cloak with hoodie thing is just brilliant.
  20. Thorhammer


    Jun 18, 2008
    I, too, support sunt123's design the most out of these.
  21. TeraVolt

    is an Artist

    Mar 26, 2010
    Thanks for the support guys X3!
    Whaddaya think?
  22. Kyuzeth


    Sep 26, 2010
    Absolutey great work, Suntt>
  23. yytan12


    Jan 3, 2010
    That looks amazing!
  24. GMLW


    Dec 14, 2009
    Hmm... it looks more like a boar of some sort rather than a cat. No offense.

    D'awwwwwwwww. So cute. Probably my favorite. :)
  25. sucker_puncher


    Jan 23, 2010
    hey suntt123 that's really good!

    this is mine...sorry, not much time. just a quick sketch. also, I tried to do this right, but if I didn't someone help lol

    anyways, I call him chumawk. He is always trying to be like the Tomohawk, but gets angry easily when they make fun of it for still having a "diaper" on, which of course is just part of his shell.
    if anyone actually likes this I might try to color it haha
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