Oh, that's god, means that Cloyster doesn't have to risk being forced to switch when attacking.
Although Desukan will probably force a switch too, removing Skill Link would make Cloyster RNG hell until is swaps out.
Bulk isn't very kind to Cloyster.
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Although Desukan will probably force a switch too, removing Skill Link would make Cloyster RNG hell until is swaps out.
Bulk isn't very kind to Cloyster.
Cloyster's my favorite Pokemon of all time, and I'm so glad he finally got some good stuff since Gen I and II when he was a beast. I might end up making him a Shell Breaker moveset and back it up with Electivire/Zeburaika against them Bulky Waters. I also will probably end up using Forry or another Spinner with Spike capabilities.
You can just run Nattorei, who does both- sets up Spikes and beats the hell out of bulky waters. Neither Cloyster or Nattorei likes Fire or Fighting moves, but Shanderra, Burunkeru, Gyarados, etc all work.
Iron Barbs - Rough Helmet Nuttle counters Cloyster by forcing it to switch out or kill itself. Multi hit moves each activate Rough Skin (according to the research thread) Meaning Cloyster is likely to kill itself after 3-4 hits of Icicle Spear.
what has me jazzed is though we don't get the game until the spring i can basically pre-breed a shellder in HGSS that will become a total monster in BW. looking forward to showing up at League with this little guy completely battle ready.
Looking at this, I can see some synergy between Cloyster and Magnezone just to beat Nuttle, although I (The eternal skeptic) am not sure if Iron Barbs and Rough Skin are EXACTLY the same. Still, Magnezone makes a great partner anyway since Steel resists Ice and Rock attacks. Plus, just because I love him, Garchomp can take Rock attacks aimed at Cloyster, while Cloyster takes Ice attacks... hmm... so the core is Garchomp, Cloyster and Magnezone... then add in some hazards on something like Nuttle/Forretress... mmhmm... I see...
I'm not actually going to Theorymon an entire team, of course, for a couple months. Then we'll see.
I'm not actually going to Theorymon an entire team, of course, for a couple months. Then we'll see.
Icicle Spear is not a contact move, so Cloyster shouldn't be hurting itself against Nattorei outside of LO recoil. Unless for some reason Iron Barbs works against non-contact moves too, Nattorei is not a counter.
First of all, I'm not an expert, and I just read the first page so I don't know if this have been discuss or not.
I think Cloyster is very broken, I don't see him lower than OU in the metagame.
Skill Link + Shell Break + Icicle Spear is very devastating even for pokemon that resist water.
I don't know if we can post videos link, it been a long time since I post in smogon, but you guys should check this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaqKaDK5WwY
I think Cloyster is very broken, I don't see him lower than OU in the metagame.
Skill Link + Shell Break + Icicle Spear is very devastating even for pokemon that resist water.
I don't know if we can post videos link, it been a long time since I post in smogon, but you guys should check this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaqKaDK5WwY
stay out of ubers cloyster!!!
I rofl'd @ Patrick meme.
Anyways: All I have to say is pack your priorities, because we're going to need them. Scarf yo Jolteons, Hide yo Dragons, and bring your priority cuz dey raping errbody in OU.
Although I cant say where our little Oyster is going to end up tier-wise, wherever she goes, there'll be a trail of rubble behind her.
I rofl'd @ Patrick meme.
Anyways: All I have to say is pack your priorities, because we're going to need them. Scarf yo Jolteons, Hide yo Dragons, and bring your priority cuz dey raping errbody in OU.
Although I cant say where our little Oyster is going to end up tier-wise, wherever she goes, there'll be a trail of rubble behind her.
Just for reference, this video shows Cloyster, after one Shell Break, OHKOing a Swampert with 252 HP and 252 Defence EVs by using Icicle Spear.
That's pretty amazing, and worrying for those hoping that bulky waters can counter Cloyster.
iknow its scary to think a pokemon like cloyster is demolishing pokemon.
Well to be fair, Swampert takes neutral damage from Icicle Spear, but rather the Suicune after that who does resist it takes over half, so I don't think it's 252/252, but still... that's saying something!
Strong, yes. Broken, no.
A +1 Outrage from any of the top dragons decimates anything that's not steel, but that's not broken. I don't really see what the youtube video posted proves aside from Shell Break Cloyster being as dangerous as a Dragon Dancer.
There are far more checks to Cloyster being that its main attacking type is ice - you have fire, water, ice and steel that resist it, and any combination of the two means that Icicle Spear will barely dent them. Hell, a Lapras is a perfect counter to it - bulky, resists ice, has water absorb and can retaliate with Thunderbolt.
A +1 Outrage from any of the top dragons decimates anything that's not steel, but that's not broken. I don't really see what the youtube video posted proves aside from Shell Break Cloyster being as dangerous as a Dragon Dancer.
There are far more checks to Cloyster being that its main attacking type is ice - you have fire, water, ice and steel that resist it, and any combination of the two means that Icicle Spear will barely dent them. Hell, a Lapras is a perfect counter to it - bulky, resists ice, has water absorb and can retaliate with Thunderbolt.
we know that but still the thought of a cloyster with sweeping capabilities.
Rock Blast does the same thing without STAB, though, and only Steel types resist both.