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Discussion in 'Dragonspiral Tower' started by Niched, Oct 4, 2010.

  1. Niched


    Mar 3, 2009
    Combination Harvester

    Exeggutor. Back in first gen, one of the few pokemon who mattered (because it was psychic type). In second gen, still pretty good. In third gen, borderline good. Fourth gen, underused. This pokemon has been falling in power as more and more pokemon come in that do what it does better. Finally, fifth gen. Executor got a pretty much exclusive (only tropius also got it) ability that makes up for all the lost love over the years.

    [B]#103 Exeggutor[/B]
    Typing: Ground / Steel
    Ability 1: 
        Pokemon's Speed doubles in sunshine.
    Ability 2: 
    Ability 3: (Dream World)
        Pokemon's held berry is recycled. If use condition is met twice, it is used twice and gone for good.
    HP:  95
    Atk: 95
    Def: 85
    SpA: 125
    SpD: 65
    Spe: 55
    [B]Pre-Evo Moves:[/B]
    Lv1: Barrage 
    Lv1: Uproar
    Lv1: Hypnosis
    Lv7: Reflect
    [B]Lv11: Leech Seed[/B]
    Lv17: Bullet Seed
    Lv19: Stun Spore
    Lv21: PoisonPowder
    [B]Lv23: Sleep Powder[/B]
    Lv27: Confusion
    Lv33: Worry Seed
    [B]Lv37: Natural Gift[/B]
    Lv43: Solarbeam
    Lv47: Psychic
    Lv53: Gift Pass
    Gift Pass: Normal Other PP: 15 / Power: - / Accuracy: - 
    Gives the target your item if it has none.
    [B]Level-Up Moves:[/B]
    Lv1: Seed Bomb
    Lv1: Barrage
    Lv1: Hypnosis
    Lv1: Confusion
    Lv1: Stomp
    Lv17: Psycho Shock
    Lv27: Egg Bomb
    Lv37: Wood Hammer
    Lv47: Leaf Storm
    Psycho Shock: Psychic Special PP: 10 / Power: 80 / Accuracy: 100
    Calcualtes the damage from the target's defense.
    [B]TM Moves:[/B]
    TM03 - Psycho Shock
    [B]TM06 - Toxic[/B]
    TM10 - Hidden Power
    TM11 - Sunny Day
    TM15 - Hyper Beam
    TM16 - Light Screen
    TM17 - Protect
    TM19 - Telekinesis
    TM21 - Frustration
    TM22 - Solar Beam
    TM27 - Return
    TM29 - Psychic
    TM32 - Double Team
    TM33 - Reflect
    TM36 - Sludge Bomb
    TM42 - Facade
    [B]TM44 - Rest[/B]
    TM45 - Attract
    TM46 - Thief
    TM48 - Troll
    TM53 - Energy Ball
    TM64 - Explosion
    TM68 - Giga Impact
    TM70 - Flash
    TM75 - Swords Dance
    TM77 - Psych Up
    TM85 - Dream Eater
    TM86 - Grass Knot
    TM87 - Swagger
    [B]TM90 - Substitute[/B]
    TM92 - Trick Room
    HM04 - Strength
    [B]Egg Moves:[/B]
    Nature Power
    Lucky Chant
    Leaf Storm
    Power Swap
    Giga Drain
    [B]Skill Swap[/B]
    [B]Natural Gift[/B]
    There are a lot of very cool things this 'mon can do. Let's go down the line of things I immediately notice when looking at him.

    • Harvest
      Harvest is definitely one of the potentially most broken abilities in the game. Infinite (provided they don't activate twice in one turn) berries has tons of potential. Lets look at some possibilities:
      • Sitrus Berry + Substitute
        This is definitely the big set in my mind. Basically, you can inconvenience your opponent with some status, for example Toxic or Leech Seed, and then substitute. Since Sitrus Berries activate under 50%, it should be no problem to activate it. Then next turn you can substitute, your sub will break, and sitrus will restore you're health. Substitute has only 16 PP, but it should be easy to stall out until toxic kills them, especially if you use protect to halve Sub use. If another pokemon swiches in, just use toxic again.
      • Rest + Lum / Chesto Berry
        Another Stall set. Infinite Lum/Chesto Berry wakes you up whenever you need to heal.
      • X Berry + Natural Gift
        Exeggutor has a horrible physical movepool. But it gets swords dance and Seed Bomb. With infinite berries for coverage and natural gift, natural gift works exactly like hidden power.

    • Lots of support moves
      Exeggutor has access to Toxic, Stun Spore, Sleep Powder, Swagger and Leech seed to inconvinece the opponent. It has Reflect, Light Screen and Sunny Day for Set up. It also has Synthesis, Moonlight and Rest to keep itself alive.
    • Sun Sweeping
      With the advent of legal (permanent) sun in OU, Executor can, with Chloryphyll, be a useful special sweeper. It has 125 SA and reaches 418 Spd modest, or 460 Timid. It has [Grass Move Of Choice] for stab, Psycho Shock for special walls, and [HP Coverage]. It also is one of the fastest sleepers under sun, which it has the bulk to set up itself (in tiers where there is no nintales [or vulpix]).
    • Little Cup
      Infinite Oran Berry Exeggcute. Anxiety was made to stop this. Nuff said.
    The sets I showed earlier:

    Exeggutor @ Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Harvest
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SD
    Nature: Calm (+Atk, -SpA)
    ~ Toxic/Leech Seed
    ~ Substitute
    ~ Protect
    ~ Grass Knot / Leech Seed

    Exeggutor @ Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Harvest
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SD
    Nature: Calm (+ SD, -Atk)
    ~ Toxic/Leech Seed
    ~ Substitute
    ~ Protect
    ~ Grass Knot / Leech Seed

    Exeggutor @ Chesto Berry
    Ability: Harvest
    EVs: Evs of choice
    Nature: Nature of Choice
    ~ Move of Choice
    ~ Move of Choice
    ~ Move of Choice
    ~ Rest

    Can be run offensively or defensively.

    swords Dance
    Exeggutor @ Coverage Berry
    Ability: Harvest
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
    Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
    ~ Swords Dance
    ~ Seed Bomb
    ~ Return
    ~ Natural Gift

    Sun Sweeper
    Exeggutor @ Life Orb
    Ability: Chloryphyll
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Nature: Modest (-Atk, +SpA)
    ~ Psychic / Psycho Shock
    ~ SolarBeam
    ~ Hidden Power Fire
    ~ Sleep Powder / Explosion

    Import from 4th Gen.

    I feel I've only scratched the surface of his potential. And since I don't know little cup, I will leave it to one of our experts to enlighten us. Please do so!
  2. M BLADE


    Jul 6, 2008
    Eggy can also shed one weakness by using a resist berry.
    Say, Occa Berry. Voila, Exeggutor isn't weak to fire anymore! Maybe. Kind of. I guess.

    Ok, it's still weak, but it gets a pseudo neutrality to fire. I guess...

    All good for the eggs. I don't like eggs, but i do like Eggy!!
  3. Wynought


    Sep 12, 2010
    Ah, the only Pokémon I have trouble spelling, including the 5th Gen mons :c

    SpecsEggy is by far my favourite set of all time. Used to run rampant in NU. Then it lost its uses, so I hope harvest can be exploited for all its worth and people can find great uses for it.

    But, let's keep it ol' school.

    Exeggutor @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Cholorphyll
    EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Nature: Timid
    ~ Leaf Storm
    ~ Psychic
    ~ Hidden Power Fire
    ~ Explosion

    and let's not forget LO Eggy!

    Exeggutor @ Life Orb
    Ability: Cholorphyll
    EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Nature: Modest
    ~ Grass Knot
    ~ Psychic
    ~ Hidden Power Fire / Ground
    ~ Substitute
  4. Darkamber8828


    Dec 28, 2009
    Natural Gift SD Eggy's items should be Occa Berry/Watmel Berry. Essentially a fire resist, Occa+Natural Gift is also a physical Hidden Power Fire backed by SD and maybe sun, without that annoying 30 IV. Watmel is 20 more bp, but no resist. Apicot beats Heatran, but you lose out of Skarm/Zong/Scizor/Natorrei.

    And Pokemon Lab even fixed the berry glitch! ^__^

    In conclusion,

  5. Bughouse

    Bughouse Like ships in the night, you're passing me by
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    May 28, 2010
    Don't forget about Custap Berry abuse!
  6. phoenixflame95


    Feb 2, 2005
    Change the typing to Grass/ Psychic in the OP. Somehow it's Ground/ Steel haha.
  7. Seraphic


    May 30, 2007
    no mention of custap eggy?

    Exeggutor@Custap Berry
    252 HP/252 Spa
    Sleep powder/hp fire/hp ice
    psycho shock
    grass knot

    sub down to activate custap, you always go first. you can pretty much always sleep some of your counters and switch out or whittle them down. Fairly beastly
  8. breh

    breh 強いだね

    Feb 6, 2010
    This is effing hilarious. One thought though, maybe use Leaf Storm? It can switch in and out, so why not?

    Sleep Powder doesn't seem like it should be slashed though... HP Fire and Sunny Day (to bluff that you're chlorophyll eggy) seem like necessities.
  9. Karoda Gai

    Karoda Gai

    Sep 25, 2010
    Executor just got upgrade in the walling department and why bother with the chesto berry (only sleep prevention) when you could rock the lum berry (All status prevention)
    I don't think this thing could handle OU, looks like a new UU wall though
  10. ensoriki


    Aug 7, 2006
    Take the Lum berry for permanent status immunity.
    Then Exe can absorb predicted for the status team and insta heal up.
    He'd be like a Hydration pokemon, if Hydration was even better.
  11. breh

    breh 強いだね

    Feb 6, 2010
    The big problem with this is that (EDIT: all of the defensive) Hydration pokemon have water or water-ice typing.

    Exeggutor has one of the shoddiest defensive typings in the game. Seriously, so many things can hit it SE or neutral, it's not even funny...

    (In fact, I can't think of a single OU pokemon that can't hit it for super effective or neutral damage, lol)

    Oh yeah and it's a cool erufuun counter with psychic... sure it doesn't outspeed but if you pass it speed it does :)
  12. Red Ink

    Red Ink

    Jun 15, 2010
    Thank you, GF, for dashing my hopes once again. It baffles me why Exeggutor cannot get the common grass move Growth, or the common Psychic move Calm Mind.

    Harvest is interesting, but I really prefer the standard sweeping sets.
  13. maniac200


    Jan 26, 2010
    You have to remember that in 4th gen Celebi had the same defensive typing, and it was still a great defensive pokemon.
  14. breh

    breh 強いだね

    Feb 6, 2010

    Celebi, while possessing the same godawful typing, is more defensive (it has far more respectable defenses; while 80/95/65 (iirc) is good, 100/100/100 is far better) and thus more able to wield its resistances to grass, psychic, fighting, water, electric, and ground (water especially, as it is carried by many bulky waters that could easily OHKO exeggutor with their ice beams).

    Note however that Celebi is going down in popularity due to Shaymin, who has far, far better typing (I.E. not quad weak to bug).
  15. Losa


    Mar 1, 2007
    Agirudaa gets Hydration.

    Eggy got a fairly big boost this gen. It still won't be as good as it was in it's glorious days of RBY.
  16. phoenixflame95


    Feb 2, 2005
    Stats play a really important role in that. Look at Tyranitar for example... Rock is already innately one of the worst defensive typings, but paired with Dark, they yield weaknesses against Water, Ground, Fighting, Steel, Bug, and Grass, and some of the most common attacks are those types. Then look at its stat distribution and movepool, along with its ability, which is self-boost to special defense. Same story with Celebi... its stat distribution is coupled with an amazing movepool, which defensively includes Recover, Leech Seed, and Thunder Wave, backed by its Natural Cure ability. Not that Exeggutor is terrible now since Harvest has a lot of potential, but as said already, it could've benefited from being a different type like even just pure Grass like Shaymin.
  17. mudkipmanxp5


    Aug 14, 2010
    I reckon Exeggutor would give Celebi competition if he still had his massive Special Defence from RBY. In RBY he was pretty much a staple. In Gen V, he was a gimmick sun sweeper.
  18. Colonel Darren

    Colonel Darren

    Mar 11, 2010
    To be honest, I see this more benefitting a Sword Dance/Natural Gift Exxegutor more, as Lum wouldn't matter if you can barely take a hit. However, I do like what this gives Exxecute in Little Cup. Unlimited Oran Berries...Yowch.
  19. merlinnerd922


    Jan 17, 2008
    Just to let you know, Exeggcute with Harvest is now available on the Dream World set. Could someone edit the first post with that?
  20. breh

    breh 強いだね

    Feb 6, 2010
    Just a note,
    Harvest has been documented to work in an inconsistent manner.

    I think it's something like the berry regenerates 1-4 turns after use at the end of the turn. EDIT: I looked over it again; it mostly regenerates at the turn's end, but sometimes regenerates after a few turns (inconsistent)

    This may mean that Chestorest sets may not be as useful as they seem. Stat-up sets that are less reliant on them seem like a good idea though.

  21. GtM


    Jun 3, 2009
    I have a set, it's called Starf Berry Abuse and it's probably a pointless gimmick, but eh, it's worth a shot.

    Exeggutor @ Starf Berry
    Harvest, Timid?
    4 HP, 252 SpA, 252 Speed.

    ~ Substitute
    ~ Protect
    ~ Giga Drain / Energy Ball
    ~ Psychic / Zen Headbutt

    This could be improved easily, but it's late. Basically, get in on something you scare, and start subbing. Once you hit 25%, your Starf berry will activate, giving you a random +2 boost. Next, you use Protect (or an attacking move if you were lucky enough to get a SpA boost) to gain another boost and scout. Now, you'll have 2 +2 boosts, which will put you in a good position. Defense and SpD boosts will make your Subs fairly unbreakable, letting you stall for more random boosts. SpA boosts will make you ridiculously powerful, with Giga Drain OHKOing a lot of stuff. Speed boosts are also very nice, giving you a real opportunity to sweep. Evasion boosts are sweet, but may backfire. Unfortunately, you won't really be able to put Accuracy and Attack boosts to use (Zen Headbutt is a physical option, but even +2 it won't be much more powerful than Psychic) Giga Drain is mostly listed in case you need to tank a hit whilst you're without a Sub, whilst also dealing some very respectible damage. Even with a sub, you'll still very much appreciate some residual healing. Hopefully you'll be able to amass enough +2 boosts to really start wrecking shit up. :)
  22. Don Honchkrorleone

    Don Honchkrorleone

    Aug 8, 2010
    How you're forgetting the miraculous Enigma Berry? This thing recovers Eggy's health by 25% if hit by a SE attack. Pretty potent.
  23. Master of Llamas

    Master of Llamas

    Aug 29, 2008
    I don't think Grass/Psychic is as bad as people say it is. Sure, weaknesses to Fire, Ice, Bug, Ghost and Dark is really bad but it resists Ground, Fighting, Water and Electric so there's some swtich-in potential.

    EDIT: I know he has Poison and Flying weaknesses, but I didn't list them because I don't think they're very important.
  24. tehy

    tehy Banned deucer.

    Aug 16, 2010
    You forgot the poison and flying weaknesses.

    He has seven weaknesses, including a 4X.
  25. tawp64


    Feb 8, 2010
    It's uh...grass/psychic. Not ground/steel lol.
    Another thing, you have sub-sitrus twice.

    Anyways, for Chesto Rest, here's a set:

    Exeggutor @ Chesto Berry
    252 HP/ 252 ATK/ 4 SPE
    ~Swords Dance
    ~Seed Bomb/Wood Hammer
    ~Sleep Powder

    Simply sleep the opponent, swords dance, swords dance, rest, then one more swords dance. GG.

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