Celever
i am town
Then the game will never end lol. I think that at this point acid just accepts that he's lost...his only way of winning is no lynching, therefore he will stick with that
Then the game will never end lol. I think that at this point acid just accepts that he's lost...his only way of winning is no lynching, therefore he will stick with that
Second Paragraph: Why did you change your opinion so quickly? If you already had UltrasPlot as 99% scum, how could rssp1 convince you even after you decided to lynch him even when you voted him after you subbed in, and near the beginning of Day 3? And I don't really see how the panic part would rat him out as mafia or town, any player would be alarmed that they received a vote for no reason/weak reasoning, if anything I find rssp1 not really reacting more alarming because it just makes him more like your partner, and even more so when he declared you the most towniest even after your scummy vote on him. I still think you two being partners are likely. I also can't really understand why you think me ccing would rat out a mafia (I assume you were talking about me being mafia) because if you were looking at it that way then rssp1 would 100% be doctor and I would be mafia if I cced and impossible to be doctor, which is kind of odd considering you were confident he was scum and still had a kinda nullread on me.I'm gonna be brutally honest and say that actually I wasn't paying rssp1's posts a huge amount of mind during Day 2 itself. Ultras was scummy enough that I didn't think it was necessary, because I was so certain that Ultras was mafia that I didn't really want to get swayed by rssp1 (this sounds ridiculous, but it's because on my other forum I have a reputation for being on mafia lynches and jumping off them later thanks to their defense). However, that night I decided to read into rssp1 a bit more, and that's when I started thinking that rssp1 could be doc. I just got that general tone from his posts, and I had been searching for it all game so that I wouldn't push a doclynch, and rssp1 was the first true docread I had. However, rssp1's play in Day 3 is honestly what makes me think rssp1 is doc the most, since he sort of confirmed my beliefs before he even claimed with his posting style right from the word go (and the whole baiting me into claiming was I think only the work of a real doctor). That's why there's such a huge shift, which I admit I've noticed myself. If Ultras hasn't subbed out, though, I'd still probably be gunning his lynch right now.
You may now ask, "why would you start a lynch on him if you thought he was probably the doc?" It was so we would have this situation. rssp1, a semi-solid doc read at the time, and his cc (which I was kinda hoping would be UTO since I was scumreading him anyway). For me, that ratted out a mafia, unless it was jumpluff in which case my docread would have been off I guess. Pokeguy literally claimed not to be doc in what I see as sincere frustration, and I absolutely would have called him out on it if he'd claimed doc because of that. Obviously mafia claiming doc was not the optimal situation for them, so forcing this early on in the day I felt was a good plan of action. And of course if my read on Ultras was in fact correct and rssp1 is mafia, that lynch could have made him panic and make him clearly mafia, which I don't even have to point out is good for us.
I answered this above I think >_>.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was more just me throwing UTO and rssp1 together, since I know I didn't put any thought into that scum team lol. As I said above, it was more that I looked into rssp1 more at night as opposed to during the day. I looked at UTO too but my opinion didn't really change much and if anything I thought he was scummier leading into day 3.
I must admit, I did actually appreciate you pointing me to where to respond, even if it was kinda asking the same question three times. Could everyone do that please? >_____>
Yeah, I can definitely appreciate this logic. You've posted more than enough about rssp1 and UTO for me to see that you're totally torn between them, and it's definitely the riskier yet more rewarding option as I said earlier today. On this note I would like to:
Lynch PokeguyNXB
I know he's mafia, anyway. Shit's gonna get real tomorrow though >___>
It's different because your scumreads were on people who were easy to go on with little risk while my vote on DLE was risky but I was confident that he was the best lynch choice even though he could completely rip me apartHow so? How is that dissimilar from your vote?
I think you phrased the sentence incorrectly, and I don't really think acid was in shape to tunnel ANYONE at that point in the game (sorry).
You understand that sudden vote changes after most specifically agreed I was not a good lynch target for the day would be incredibly scummy, and that everyone who switched their vote/voted near the end would be looked at closely, right? That's what i'm saying and you're disagreeing, and we're literally saying the same points over and over again. Look at the situation from a completely neutral situation and respond again, thanks.
Also i'm saying that I had no reason to play cautiously because the aggressiveness found in TIK and Ultras was getting them townread by basically everyone; pluff had a nullread for me after I subbed in, and that was due to my cautiousness, and I don't remember where Yeti slightly scumread me so i'll assume it was while Ultras was active like you said.
There was no contest for docreads, since no one else made me think they were docs at all. I explained the rest just now I think...Second Paragraph: Why did you change your opinion so quickly? If you already had UltrasPlot as 99% scum, how could rssp1 convince you even after you decided to lynch him even when you voted him after you subbed in, and near the beginning of Day 3? And I don't really see how the panic part would rat him out as mafia or town, any player would be alarmed that they received a vote for no reason/weak reasoning, if anything I find rssp1 not really reacting more alarming because it just makes him more like your partner, and even more so when he declared you the most towniest even after your scummy vote on him. I still think you two being partners are likely. I also can't really understand why you think me ccing would rat out a mafia (I assume you were talking about me being mafia) because if you were looking at it that way then rssp1 would 100% be doctor and I would be mafia if I cced and impossible to be doctor, which is kind of odd considering you were confident he was scum and still had a kinda nullread on me.
Also the game wouldn't drag forever, because of the nightkills
yeah we have a deadline for september 11th idk if it was serious or not.There was no contest for docreads, since no one else made me think they were docs at all. I explained the rest just now I think...
The game would never get through this day phase since we would never hit majority on anything, lol.
I've been skimming them because I don't have enough time to mill over every post in this thread carefully. I've been reading all of jumpluff's posts carefully because we pretty much know he's town, which are always the nicest perspectives to have in a discussion, and he's always replying to discussions so you get a good grip on what's going on. Basically you're acting like normal and rssp1 is acting like normal, by which I mean you're scummy and rssp1 isn't.yeah we have a deadline for september 11th idk if it was serious or not.
How do you feel about rssp1 and my arguments? Have you been seeing anything that makes rssp1 look scummier or me look townier? Have all of my arguments been scummy or all of rssp1's arguments been towny? Or have you been ignoring them or just not having enough time to read them?
Also I just finished reading jumpluff's post once, I'll read it again later and post my full thoughts on it
I don't get how you can call a scumread on DLE not risky while stating a vote on him is - I understand that you're more strongly expressing a scumread that way, but you're also leaning towards the way the town wanted to lynch, while my insistence on acid got people pissed off at me.It's different because your scumreads were on people who were easy to go on with little risk while my vote on DLE was risky but I was confident that he was the best lynch choice even though he could completely rip me apart
Exactly, that's why you chose to vote him
At the time you subbed in, there were still about 10 calendar days or more and you could slip or gain traction eventually. You have to stop looking at the point of view where you know the day already happened and what happened and look at the point of view when you subbed in, we were still deciding votes and trying to force slips or connect scumteams. You could have still messed up, even though you were in a relatively safe position, to maximize your chances of not being lynched, playing cautious was the way to go. If anything you need to look at a different point of view
Uh you do realize that they were getting scummier and scummier as the day passed, only being really fully townread by DLE? And again, a nullread and a scumread by the two towniest players would get me worried for sure
#646 how do you miss that
Because DLE was tunneling me the entire Day 2? DLE was townreading you and he was extremely confident, that's why people were getting suspicous of you if DLE flipped scum. And the reason people were pissed off at you was because between my vote and your vote, we decided that DLE or myself would be the lynch target, and excluded acid, who you voted. And how would I know if he would come back and defend himself? Again, you should start looking at the pov where you didn't know what happened after my vote. If DLE didn't care about the game, he wouldn't have came and tried to start a lynch on me, am I right?I don't get how you can call a scumread on DLE not risky while stating a vote on him is - I understand that you're more strongly expressing a scumread that way, but you're also leaning towards the way the town wanted to lynch, while my insistence on acid got people pissed off at me.
No, I chose to vote him because he was my strongest scumread. It's literally the same as you for DLE except you went with the town opinion whilst I did not. DLE wasn't even responding to any of the votes/pressure on him, so don't say he could rip you apart when it was obvious he either didn't care or didn't want to respond to the accusations directed at him.
Ok, who else switched their views on me other than Yeti and jumpluff? Are you arguing Yeti/jumpluff were townier than UncleSam? Most people had all three in the same group and UncleSam seemed pretty convinced on me as townie.
I didn't know where it was because it was posted before I subbed in... It's easier to remember things when they're directly addressed to you.
According to you in Day 1 and Day 2 and the beginning of Day 3 rssp1 has been extremely scummy, him acting normal would make him look scummy. You have also not provided anything regarding me being scummy so idk how me being the way I am is scummy at all.I've been skimming them because I don't have enough time to mill over every post in this thread carefully. I've been reading all of jumpluff's posts carefully because we pretty much know he's town, which are always the nicest perspectives to have in a discussion, and he's always replying to discussions so you get a good grip on what's going on. Basically you're acting like normal and rssp1 is acting like normal, by which I mean you're scummy and rssp1 isn't.
No DLE was pretty active near the beginning and middle of Day 2, he still possibly would have come back to make a defense (he did that near the middle of Day 2 as well), then proceed to tunnel me, it was a risk voting him no matter what but I did it because I thought it was the best, that's whyIm talking about at the point at which you cast your vote, when it was proven that DLE wasn't actually taking the effort to post anything useful (or anything at all really). I know why people were pissed off about my vote smh i literally stated it in that sentence...
I don't think you're understanding that nobody was going to lynch me at that point, you can argue that "I was getting scummier" (although pluff and yeti really were the only two who changed their opinion) but I don't think anyone other than maybe Yeti would have gone for a lynch on me that day even if they thought I was scum simply because they would get more information from other flips.
No i said I didn't remember it, and that was because it was before I subbed in. That's why I said I remember things when they're directly addressed to me.
Also who else changed their views besides Yeti and jumpluff?
I said Ultras was scummy. rssp1 was a huge scumread because he subbed in for Ultras; rssp1 plays towny. I literally explained all this in my response to jumpluff read please(?)According to you in Day 1 and Day 2 and the beginning of Day 3 rssp1 has been extremely scummy, him acting normal would make him look scummy. You have also not provided anything regarding me being scummy so idk how me being the way I am is scummy at all.
I literally explained all this in my response to jumpluff read please(?)Also I completely forgot about Celever putting you as definite scum, make that 2 scumreads and 1 nullread, makes you look even worse lol, guess he flip flopped tho so idk how that would work
other than the doc claim thing which is WIFOM you have provided no evidence for rssp1 being doc, in addition why would you aim for a situation like this as you said in your post, do you just want confusion over fake and real docs/townies? Please provide more explanations. And just because you think rssp1 is doccy that doesn't excuse ultras behaviorI said Ultras was scummy. rssp1 was a huge scumread because he subbed in for Ultras; rssp1 plays towny. I literally explained all this in my response to jumpluff read please(?)
I literally explained all this in my response to jumpluff read please(?)
at that point you were still heavily scumreading himI said Ultras was scummy. rssp1 was a huge scumread because he subbed in for Ultras; rssp1 plays towny. I literally explained all this in my response to jumpluff read please(?)
I literally explained all this in my response to jumpluff read please(?)
Because it's shown us real connections between players and it's actually organised us quite substantially. If no one had doc claimed today then this place would be even more chaotic because it would be jumpluff trying to split hairs between the four of us trying to figure out likely scum teams with no general structure to said theories. Having the doc claim and then getting cc'd has simplified things a hell of a lot and has given town the greatest chance to win, I think.other than the doc claim thing which is WIFOM you have provided no evidence for rssp1 being doc, in addition why would you aim for a situation like this as you said in your post, do you just want confusion over fake and real docs/townies? Please provide more explanations. And just because you think rssp1 is doccy that doesn't excuse ultras behavior
at that point you were still heavily scumreading him
It wasn't necessarily dochunting, I just looked back over rssp1's and UTO's posts because they were the new subs who'd done stuff and I hadn't paid them the attention they deserved the previous day.Celever dochunting at night? Interesting. Also very interesting that you were trying to coerce rssp into claiming by your own admission, and rssp did not react to this. When I asked the doctor to claim I did it transparently.
Reply seems too forced to me, that Pokeguy post only ever got brought up again because I went back and found it. Also attempting to strongarm the IM, which allows for a lynch of 2 FM + 1 IM + 1T.
I look forward to UTO's response, and would request a clarification as to whether your vote is intentionally on Pokeguy, because you quoted Celever's post (which I doubt the current hosts will interpret as voting, but clarity is good).
Lynch Celever
You said it yourself, he was gone for a week by the time you had made your post.No DLE was pretty active near the beginning and middle of Day 2, he still possibly would have come back to make a defense (he did that near the middle of Day 2 as well), then proceed to tunnel me, it was a risk voting him no matter what but I did it because I thought it was the best, that's why
I still think there was a small possibility of you being lynched if you messed up, I already stated that's why I think you played more cautiously. Even if you didn't get lynched that day you could easily get lynched the next.
Even if you don't remember it, you made no response to it, or tried to justify you being town, making it look more like you just ignored it
Uh weren't you null reading me near Day 2, and how did rssp1 suddenly become more towny when I'm doing the exact same thing as him? Examples? Anything at all? And the confusion is just split into ttwo (me/rssp1 and pokeguy/you over me/pokeguy/you/rssp1. And how do doctor claims show us any connections?Because it's shown us real connections between players and it's actually organised us quite substantially. If no one had doc claimed today then this place would be even more chaotic because it would be jumpluff trying to split hairs between the four of us trying to figure out likely scum teams with no general structure to said theories. Having the doc claim and then getting cc'd has simplified things a hell of a lot and has given town the greatest chance to win, I think.
And I don't think at this point Ultras' scumminess compares to yours since you were scummy at the end of Day 2 and in Day 3 that's only increased, whereas rssp1 is very much playing like town now.
I voted after a week he posted it and on the page as his gif?You said it yourself, he was gone for a week by the time you had made your post.
That's opinionated, so i'm not sure how to respond to that.
It wasn't directed at me... not sure how I can validly defend myself over a point that's not being made about my behavior.
jumpluff, are you 100% for a lynch on Celever over a lynch on UTO/me? I still feel a UTO lynch is better but if you're not going to change your mind then there's no other option.
How could you not find anything to talk about when jumpluff literally made a post with half of its contents about you and saying how you are the most likely scum?I don't really have much to add unfortunately... but if we're voting now Lynch Celever