Garchomp and this Metagame

[Syberia]

All that proves is that Rain Dance teams can have fun with Sandstorm teams once Tyranitar is gone. Nothing at all to do with Garchomp.

Not to mention that Kingdra and Ludicolo can do the exact same thing.

 

[Bourbon]

...Except Kingdra and Ludicolo aren't weak to Earthquake.

Although Outrage would surely kill Kingdra.

 

[Mr.E]

I like how the "counters" argument went from "Garchomp has no counters!" to "Garchomp's counters can all be worn down easily!" when the former was proven wrong. Unfortunately, quite a few pokémon can fall into the second category. :/ Oops? Don't care anymore.

Syberia, a comparison of Garchomp to Manaphy is pretty far out there, the only commonality is that both are fairly fast and hit damn hard. Aside that, Garchomp's only major advantage is that it can take advantage of its trait pretty easily since Sand Stream is retarded but Drizzle is only on another uber... Rain Dance teams aren't bad at all, though. Their advantage in weather battles is that the pokémon on a Rain Dance team all do well at just killing T-Tar/Hippo in general. They really have to bide their time carefully to switch in and nullify rain while not getting slaughtered at the same time. Likewise for your general "rain" versus your general "sun" pokémon, even Kyogre vs. Groudon and friends in ubers.

Azelf needs more U-Turn.

 

[SubVersion]

I like how the "counters" argument went from "Garchomp has no counters!" to "Garchomp's counters can all be worn down easily!" when the former was proven wrong. Unfortunately, quite a few pokémon can fall into the second category. :/ Oops?

This is the paragraph that makes it absolutely clear that you do not understand the issue actual players have with Garchomp. It is fine for you to sit on the sideline and make judgment calls, but rubbish like this illustrates why you should not be posting on an issue you do not fully "get".

The argument has not changed, you are simply misunderstanding/misrepresenting it. It is not "Garchomp's counters can all be worn down easily!", it is "Garchomp's counters can all be worn down easily... by Garchomp!", and that's a massive difference. The things you'd expect to beat Garchomp - that is, the few things that can switch in and survive a +2 Outrage or Earthquake - are all outspeed and promptly 2HKO'd by those attacks. Which means they've all got one turn to kill Garchomp, something none of them can do thanks to Yache Berry (and the fact that such defensive Pokemon tend to have lower offensive stats).

Which means the only true "counter" to Garchomp is not a single Pokemon, but a two-Pokemon combination: One to weaken him, one to finish him off. And no matter what you do, you lose one of them. If you actually played the game, perhaps you'd understand the sort of impact that has on things, but the more you post, the more painfully obvious it becomes that you're out of touch with the D/P metagame.

 

[IggyBot]

Closed.

This topic is going nowhere. A ladder testing the metagame without Garchomp is going to be implemented on Smogon's Shoddy Battle server soon. A topic will be made for the discussion of this metagame when the ladder is implemented.