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Giratina-O (ResTalk Shuffler)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Furai, Apr 25, 2012.

  1. Furai

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    I may have forgotten something but I think I got most of it covered.

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    [B][U]QC checks:[/U][/B] trickroom, barry4ever, shrang [B][3/3][/B]
    [B][U]GP checks:[/U][/B] Mafeking (DittoCrow), sirndpt [B][2/2][/B]
    [SET]
    name: RestTalk Shuffler
    move 1: Rest
    move 2: Sleep Talk
    move 3: Dragon Tail
    move 4: Roar
    item: Griseous Orb
    nature: Impish
    evs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>SpikeStacking is one of the most threatening and dangerous playstyles in Ubers, and this set is an amazing addition to this playstyle by being able to spinblock and shuffle. This set has a few advantages over Giratina, which is often considered one of the best spinblockers in the metagame. Firstly, Giratina-O is much more powerful than Giratina; Giratina-O's Dragon Tail will almost always break 208/0 Ho-Oh's Substitute, while Giratina struggles to do the same. Moreover, in contrast to Giratina, who is worn down easily by Spikes and Toxic Spikes, Giratina-O's Levitate ability allows it to hover over these entry hazards, avoiding the additional damage.</p>

    <p>Giratina-O makes a wonderful stallbreaker due to its spinblocking capability, its Dragon-type STAB, and the combination of Rest and Sleep Talk. This is Giratina-O's only way to heal HP and cure status, which further allows it to fulfill its job as a spinblocker. The use of both Dragon Tail and Roar might seem like a waste of a moveslot, but if using Sleep Talk, Giratina-O has a 66.66% chance to phaze the opponent with either one. Roar is also capable of phazing Substitute users, whereas Dragon Tail can land a bit of damage.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>An Impish nature in conjunction with the provided EV spread maximizes Giratina-O's physical bulk, allowing it to take on physical threats such as Extreme Killer Arceus, Ho-Oh, Excadrill, and Groudon, while taking minimum residual damage from weather and Stealth Rock. 8 Speed EVs also allow Giratina-O to outpace Giratina and Groudon and phaze them before they get the chance to do the same.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock and Spikes are necessities for this set's success, as they allow Giratina-O to stack up damage with Roar and Dragon Tail. Groudon and Dialga are prime examples for teammates that can lay down Stealth Rock, whereas Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and Forretress synergize very well with Giratina-O and can also set up Spikes. Cleric support is advised as Giratina-O's sleep counter will be set back to zero once it switches out, making its job slightly harder. Therefore, Blissey and Chansey make great teammates, as they can sponge the special attacks aimed at Giratina-O, and vice versa. Steel-types, such as Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and Forretress, will often attempt to lay down entry hazards on a sleeping Giratina-O, so having a Rapid Spin user such as Forretress or Tentacruel is also recommended.</p>

    <p>Strong Dragon-type moves, such as Outrage and Draco Meteor, easily KO Giratina-O; in particular, Palkia, Rayquaza, and Dialga are extremely problematic. Darkrai and Dark Arceus can gamble against the odds of Sleep Talk and set up on Giratina-O, or simply OHKO with their super effective Dark-type STAB moves. Lugia is faster than Giratina-O and can set up Reflect, use Ice Beam, or phaze Giratina-O before Giratina-O has a chance to phaze it. However, Roar's priority is +0 if selected by Sleep Talk, so a sleeping Giratina-O might be able to phaze Lugia before being phazed itself. As mentioned above, Steel-types will gleefully set up entry hazards on this set. The most problematic ones are Taunt Skarmory and Leech Seed Ferrothorn, as both are able to cripple Giratina-O with ease. Therefore, Heatran makes a solid partner, as it can take Dragon-type attacks aimed at Giratina-O, defeat Lugia and Dark Arceus with Taunt and Toxic, and beat the Steel-types with its Fire STAB. Scizor is also a good partner, because it boasts perfect synergy with Giratina-O and can defeat the aforementioned counters with Roost.</p>
  2. trickroom

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    A fun set to use, Levitate, stronger Dragon Tail and surprise factor are great advantages over Giratina. It can block attempts of Rapid Spin so it is generally more useful than RestTalk Lugia. Also, Giratina-O lacks recovery so this set is the best to retain its amazing bulk.

    Mention Excadrill is walled as well if it lacks Shadow Claw or Swords Dance(rare case)
    Even if Excadrill has Shadow Claw it cannot get past this Giratina-O that easily. This Giratina-O set is also a great stall annoyer, since it blocks spin and has STAB Dragon Tail.
    Checking SD Ground Arceus easily is also a huge bonus but in the end you will need status to take it out.
  3. Furai

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    Implemented, trickroom, thanks man!
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    Good mon, good set, bad fury

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  5. Furai

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    Thanks Barry you suck
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    I'm really leaning toward approving of this set, but I remember that we specifically rejected Tobes' RestTalk phazing Palkia, which plays somewhat similarly. Yes, Giratina-O can spinblock, but Palkia is a good Kyogre switch-in, so they each have their niches. I mean, I really want to approve this, but that Palkia rejection is kind nagging me.
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    You might want to rephrase the bit about Lugia counter-phazing you. If you use Sleep Talk (which has +0 priority) and get the Dragon Tail or Roar, you'll go before Lugia's -6 Whirlwind/Dragon Tail.
  8. trickroom

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    I would like to say I tried both Giratina-O and Palkia Resttalk sets. Palkia didn't really do much actually but Giratina-O was pretty awesome.

    Here might be some reasons why Giratina-O can do better

    Palkia is generally more offensive, has much better coverage moves so Palkia is better off using offensive sets to beat Kyogre. RestTalk Palkia also gets 2HKOed by Specs Kyogre Thunder if you are using a Jolly nature which is no fun.

    Giratina-O is much bulkier than Palkia, more resistances, and flies over Spikes. Another thing is Palkia is wasting its very impressive Special Attack stat when using DoublePhazingRestTalk. Giratina-O can harass stall teams easier compared to Palkia, assuming both are using the same RestTalk set. As another advantage, Giratina-O is immune to Seismic Toss so it gets a free switch in to Blissey/Chansey as well.

    Blocking Spin is a huge advantage over RestTalk Palkia and everyone wants their spinblocker to stay alive as long as possible. It prevents things like Forretress from sometimes getting a free spin.
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    Maybe mention that the 4 Speed EVs let you phaze Groudon and Giratina-A before they get a chance to phaze you, unless they speed creep of course.

    Also maybe rename the set to just 'Shuffler'
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    Yeah, I guess you're right. I think I'm just biased against RestTalk double phaze sets. They just seem like such a waste of potential.

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  11. Furai

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    Alright, I'll write this as I get home.

    As for the extra Speed EVs, I'll see if that counts as Speed Creep and work accordingly.
  12. Furai

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    Written!
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    Amateur GP Check

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    [SET]
    name: Sleeping Phazer (RestTalk Shuffler)
    move 1: Rest
    move 2: Sleep Talk
    move 3: Dragon Tail
    move 4: Roar
    item: Griseous Orb
    nature: Impish
    evs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>SpikeStacking is one of the most threatening and dangerous playstyles in Ubers, and this set is an amazing addition to this playstyle; be it by spinblocking or by being able to spinblock and shufflinge. This set as a few advantages over Giratina, which is often considered one of the best spinblockers in the metagame. Firstly, Giratina-O is much more powerful than Giratina.; Giratina-O's Dragon Tail can break 208 HP EVs Ho-Oh's Substitute (unless wielding a minimum damage of 24.69%), unlike Giratina, which struggles to do so. Moreover, in contrast to Giratina, which is worn offdown easily by Spikes and Toxic Spikes, Giratina-O's Levitate ability allows it to hover over these entry hazards, avoiding the additonal damage.</p>

    <p>This set makes a wonderful stallbreaker due to its Ghost typing, which allows it to spinblock effectively, Dragon-type STAB, and the combination of Rest and Sleep Talk. This combination is Giratina-O's only way to heal backHP and cure status, which also allows it to fulfill its job as a spinblocker well. Having both Dragon Tail and Roar may seem aslike a waste of a moveslot, but if asleep and using Sleep Talk, Giratina-O has a 66.66% to phaze the opponent with either one. Roar is also capable of phazing Substitute Pokemon, whereas Dragon Tail can land a bit more damage.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>An Impish nature, in conjunction with the provided EV spread, maximizes Giratina-O's physical bulk, allowing it to take on physical threats such as Extreme Killer Arceus, Ho-Oh, Excadrill, and Groudon, while taking minimum residual damage from weather and Stealth Rock. 8 Speed EVs also allow Giratina-O to outpace Giratina and Groudon, phazing them before they get the chance to do the same.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock and Spikes are key partnecessities for this set's success, allowing Giratina-O to stacking up damage with Roar and Dragon Tail. Groudon and Dialga are prime examples for teammates that can lay down Stealth Rock, whereas Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and Forretress, that synergize very well with Giratina-O, and can lay down Spikes. Heal Bell or Aromatherapy support is advicsed, as once Giratina-O will switches out, its sleep counter will be set back to zero, making it slightly harder for itGiratina-O to do its job. Therefore, the pink blobs, Blissey and Chansey, make great teammates, as they can also sponge the special attacks aimed at Giratina-O and vice versa. Steel-types, such as Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and Forretress, will often attempt to lay down entry hazards, so having a Rapid Spin user, such as Forretress or Tentacruel, is also recommended.</p>

    <p>Strong Dragon-type moves, such as Outrage and Draco Meteor, easily KO Giratina-O, thus Palkia, Rayquaza, and Dialga are extremely problematic. Darkrai and Dark Arceus can try to mess with the odds of Sleep Talk and set up on Giratina-O, or simply OHKO with their super effective Dark STAB-type STAB moves. Lugia is faster than Giratina-O, and can Reflect, Ice Beam, or phaze Giratina-O before Giratina-O has a chance to phaze it. However, if asleep, Sleep Talk's speed priority is +0, meaning that Giratina-O may be able to phaze Lugia before it attempts to do the same. As mentioned above, Steel-types will use this set as a setup fodder for entry hazards. The most prominent ones are Taunt Skarmory and Leech Seed Ferrothorn, that canboth being able to cripple Giratina-O with ease.</p>


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    [SET]
    name: Sleeping Phazer (RestTalk Shuffler)
    move 1: Rest
    move 2: Sleep Talk
    move 3: Dragon Tail
    move 4: Roar
    item: Griseous Orb
    nature: Impish
    evs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>SpikeStacking is one of the most threatening and dangerous playstyles in Ubers, and this set is an amazing addition to this playstyle by being able to spinblock and shuffle. This set as a few advantages over Giratina, which is often considered one of the best spinblockers in the metagame. Firstly, Giratina-O is much more powerful than Giratina; Giratina-O's Dragon Tail can break 208 HP EVs Ho-Oh's Substitute (unless wielding a minimum damage of 24.69%) unlike Giratina, which struggles to do so. Moreover, in contrast to Giratina, which is worn down easily by Spikes and Toxic Spikes, Giratina-O's Levitate ability allows it to hover over these entry hazards, avoiding the additonal damage.</p>

    <p>This set makes a wonderful stallbreaker due to its Ghost typing, which allows it to spinblock effectively, Dragon-type STAB, and the combination of Rest and Sleep Talk. This combination is Giratina-O's only way to heal HP and cure status, which also allows it to fulfill its job as a spinblocker. Having both Dragon Tail and Roar may seem like a waste of a moveslot, but if using Sleep Talk, Giratina-O has a 66.66% to phaze the opponent with either one. Roar is also capable of phazing Substitute Pokemon, whereas Dragon Tail can land a bit more damage.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>An Impish nature in conjunction with the provided EV spread maximizes Giratina-O's physical bulk, allowing it to take on physical threats such as Extreme Killer Arceus, Ho-Oh, Excadrill, and Groudon, while taking minimum residual damage from weather and Stealth Rock. 8 Speed EVs also allow Giratina-O to outpace Giratina and Groudon, phazing them before they get the chance to do the same.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock and Spikes are necessities for this set's success, allowing Giratina-O to stack up damage with Roar and Dragon Tail. Groudon and Dialga are prime examples for teammates that can lay down Stealth Rock, whereas Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and Forretress, synergize very well with Giratina-O and can lay down Spikes. Heal Bell or Aromatherapy support is advised, as once Giratina-O switches out, its sleep counter will be set back to zero, making it slightly harder for Giratina-O to do its job. Therefore, the pink blobs, Blissey and Chansey, make great teammates, as they can also sponge the special attacks aimed at Giratina-O and vice versa. Steel-types, such as Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and Forretress, will often attempt to lay down entry hazards, so having a Rapid Spin user such as Forretress or Tentacruel, is also recommended.</p>

    <p>Strong Dragon-type moves, such as Outrage and Draco Meteor, easily KO Giratina-O, thus Palkia, Rayquaza, and Dialga are extremely problematic. Darkrai and Dark Arceus can try to mess with the odds of Sleep Talk and set up on Giratina-O, or simply OHKO with their super effective Dark-type STAB moves. Lugia is faster than Giratina-O, and can Reflect, Ice Beam, or phaze Giratina-O before Giratina-O has a chance to phaze it. However, if asleep, Sleep Talk's speed priority is +0, meaning that Giratina-O may be able to phaze Lugia before it attempts to do the same. As mentioned above, Steel-types will use this set as setup fodder for entry hazards. The most prominent ones are Taunt Skarmory and Leech Seed Ferrothorn, both being able to cripple Giratina-O with ease.</p>
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    Use 248 HP for less residual damage

    inb4 someone writes up a Sleep Talk/Dtail/Rest/WoW set for Giratina-O and competes with Giratina-A's for a team slot lolol.
  15. Furai

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    Great, now we can use 8 Speed EVs!
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    We brought this up in #grammar but yeah remove "key" from the first sentence in AC Para 2.

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    Thanks DittoCrow and Mafeking for the check, ready for check #2! <3
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    Over Dittocrow's check, another amateur check xD

    [SET]
    name: Sleeping Phazer (RestTalk Shuffler)
    move 1: Rest
    move 2: Sleep Talk
    move 3: Dragon Tail
    move 4: Roar
    item: Griseous Orb
    nature: Impish
    evs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>SpikeStacking is one of the most threatening and dangerous playstyles in Ubers, and this set is an amazing addition to this playstyle by being able to spinblock and shuffle. This set has a few advantages over Giratina, which is often considered one of the best spinblockers in the metagame. Firstly, Giratina-O is much more powerful than Giratina; Giratina-O's Dragon Tail can break 208 HP EVs Ho-Oh's Substitute (unless wielding a minimum damage of 24.69%) unlike Giratina, which struggles to do so. Moreover, in contrast to Giratina, which is worn down easily by Spikes and Toxic Spikes, Giratina-O's Levitate ability allows it to hover over these entry hazards, avoiding the additonal damage.</p>

    <p>This set Giratina-O makes a wonderful stallbreaker due to its Ghost typing, which allows it to spinblock effectively, Dragon-type STAB, and the combination of Rest and Sleep Talk. This combination is Giratina-O's only way to heal HP and cure status, which also allows it to fulfill its job as a spinblocker. Having both Dragon Tail and Roar may seem like a waste of a moveslot, but if using Sleep Talk, Giratina-O has a 66.66% to phaze the opponent with either one. Roar is also capable of phazing Substitute Pokemon, whereas Dragon Tail can land a bit more of damage.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>An Impish nature in conjunction with the provided EV spread maximizes Giratina-O's physical bulk, allowing it to take on physical threats such as Extreme Killer Arceus, Ho-Oh, Excadrill, and Groudon, while taking minimum residual damage from weather and Stealth Rock. 8 Speed EVs also allow Giratina-O to outpace Giratina and Groudon, phazing them before they get the chance to do the same.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock and Spikes are necessities for this set's success, allowing Giratina-O to stack up damage with Roar and Dragon Tail. Groudon and Dialga are prime examples for teammates that can lay down Stealth Rock, whereas Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and Forretress, synergize very well with Giratina-O and can lay down Spikes. Heal Bell or Aromatherapy support is advised, as once Giratina-O switches out, its sleep counter will be set back to zero, making it slightly harder for Giratina-O to do its job. Therefore, the pink blobs, Blissey and Chansey, make great teammates, as they can also sponge the special attacks aimed at Giratina-O and vice versa. Steel-types, such as Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and Forretress, will often attempt to lay down entry hazards, so having a Rapid Spin user such as Forretress or Tentacruel, is also recommended.</p>

    <p>Strong Dragon-type moves, such as Outrage and Draco Meteor, easily KO Giratina-O, thus Palkia, Rayquaza, and Dialga are extremely problematic. Darkrai and Dark Arceus can try to mess with the odds of Sleep Talk and set up on Giratina-O, or simply OHKO with their super effective Dark-type STAB moves. Lugia is faster than Giratina-O, and can Reflect, Ice Beam, or phaze Giratina-O before Giratina-O has a chance to phaze it. However, if asleep, Sleep Talk's speed priority is +0, meaning that Giratina-O may be able to phaze Lugia before it attempts to do the same. As mentioned above, Steel-types will use this set as setup fodder for entry hazards. The most prominent ones are Taunt Skarmory and Leech Seed Ferrothorn, both being able to cripple Giratina-O with ease.</p>
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    made Cereza's changes~

    furai!!!!!

    your AC's really thorough as it is, but just note that in your last paragraph you need to provide ways to patch up holes to the following mons. don't just list counters, that would belong in [Checks and Counters] -- keep in mind that the purpose of the second section of the AC is to suggest teammates :3

    • dragons - palkia, rayquaza, dialga
    • darkrai and dark arceus
    • lugia
    • steels - skarmory and ferrothorn

    --

    also, this cropped up quite a few times, so, for future reference, take note that the use of the gerund (the '-ing' form of a verb) here is incorrect. thanks :)

    --

    one last thing: i also very much prefer the name RestTalk Shuffler or RestTalk Phazer :d


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    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>SpikeStacking is one of the most threatening and dangerous playstyles in Ubers, and this set is an amazing addition to this playstyle by being able to spinblock and shuffle. This set has a few advantages over Giratina, which is often considered one of the best spinblockers in the metagame. Firstly, Giratina-O is much more powerful than Giratina; Giratina-O's Dragon Tail will almost always break 208/0 (is this right? or 208/252+?) Ho-Oh's Substitute, while Giratina struggles to do the same. Moreover, in contrast to Giratina, who is worn down easily by Spikes and Toxic Spikes, Giratina-O's Levitate ability allows it to hover over these entry hazards, avoiding the additional damage.</p>

    <p>Giratina-O makes a wonderful stallbreaker due to its spinblocking capability, its Dragon-type STAB, and the combination of Rest and Sleep Talk. This is Giratina-O's only way to heal HP and cure status, which further allows it to fulfill its job as a spinblocker. The use of both Dragon Tail and Roar might seem like a waste of a moveslot, but if using Sleep Talk, Giratina-O has a 66.66% (technically, you round up? :p) to phaze the opponent with either one. Roar is also capable of phazing Substitute users, whereas Dragon Tail can land a bit of damage.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>An Impish nature in conjunction with the provided EV spread maximizes Giratina-O's physical bulk, allowing it to take on physical threats such as Extreme Killer Arceus, Ho-Oh, Excadrill, and Groudon, while taking minimum residual damage from weather and Stealth Rock. 8 Speed EVs also allow Giratina-O to outpace Giratina and Groudon and phaze them before they get the chance to do the same.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock and Spikes are necessities for this set's success, as they allow Giratina-O to stack up damage with Roar and Dragon Tail. Groudon and Dialga are prime examples for teammates that can lay down Stealth Rock, whereas Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and Forretress synergize very well with Giratina-O and can also set up Spikes. Cleric support is advised as Giratina-O's sleep counter will be set back to zero once it switches out, making its job slightly harder. Therefore, Blissey and Chansey make great teammates, as they can sponge the special attacks aimed at Giratina-O, and vice versa. Steel-types, such as Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and Forretress, will often attempt to lay down entry hazards on a sleeping Giratina-O, so having a Rapid Spin user such as Forretress or Tentacruel is also recommended.</p>

    <p>Strong Dragon-type moves, such as Outrage and Draco Meteor, easily KO Giratina-O; in particular, Palkia, Rayquaza, and Dialga are extremely problematic. Darkrai and Dark Arceus can try to mess with (gamble against?) the odds of Sleep Talk and set up on Giratina-O, or simply OHKO with their super effective Dark-type STAB moves. Lugia is faster than Giratina-O and can set up Reflect, use Ice Beam, or phaze Giratina-O before Giratina-O has a chance to phaze it. However, Roar's priority is +0 if selected by Sleep Talk, so a sleeping Giratina-O might be able to phaze Lugia before being phazed itself. As mentioned above, Steel-types will gleefully set up entry hazards on this set. The most problematic ones are Taunt Skarmory and Leech Seed Ferrothorn, as both are able to cripple Giratina-O with ease.</p>
  20. Furai

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    Thanks sirny <3 Implemented, let's get this up!
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