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Granbull (Update) [QC 3/3] [GP 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by HispanicPanic, Aug 25, 2013.

  1. HispanicPanic

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    [Overview]

    · Outclassed by other mono-normal types if it goes fully supportive or fully offensive

    · Has low base 60 SpD that Intimidate cannot buffer

    · Slower than even most walls in the tier: Alomomola, Misdreavus, Tangela, etc.

    · Intimidate and 90 HP allow it to tank some neutral physical hits

    · Lack of resistances and immunities barring Ghost diminish bulk considerably

    · The combination of Intimidate, high attacking power, and a fairly unique movepool separate it from other Normal-types in NU.


    [SET]

    name: Offensive Support

    move 1: Return

    move 2: Close Combat / Crunch

    move 3: Heal Bell

    move 4: Toxic / Thunder Wave

    item: Leftovers

    ability: Intimidate

    nature: Adamant

    evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe


    [SET COMMENTS]

    · Intimidate buffers physical attacks for Granbull and its team mates

    · Return hits for STAB damage and hits anything that doesn't resist it relatively hard

    · Close Combat hits rock and steel types that would otherwise wall it, but in turn leave Granbull walled by ghosts

    · Crunch hits ghosts that are immune to its STAB but leaves it walled by most steel and rock types

    · Heal Bell removes status from itself and the rest of the team which gives it a niche as a offensive cleric

    · Thunder Wave helps alleviate Granbull's speed problem while also helping its team mates out speed a potential threat

    · Toxic can be used over Thunder Wave to hit walls and ground types, so should always be paired with Close Combat





    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    · An Adamant nature was chosen to maximize Granbull's attacking power while an Impish nature can be used if more defensive bulk is desired.

    · Its investment in attack is what separates it from Miltank as a physical supporter which gives it a more threatening presence offensively than Miltank.

    · Even with Intimidate, Granbull is still afraid of even non-STAB fighting attacks, so Misdreavus and Musharna make excellent partners to shore up this weakness with the former being able to burn with Will-O-Wisp and the latter being able to set up with Calm Mind.

    · Offensively, anything that get rid of the Rock, Steel, or Ghost types that wall Granbull make good partners as well. Golurk makes the best offensive partner as it can hit all three types super effectively with its STAB. Skuntank can't touch Rock- and Steel-types, but it can pursuit trap the Ghosts Granbull struggles with.

    · Anything that's vulnerable to status appreciates Granbull's Heal Bell and anything with a low base speed appreciates its Thunder Wave.



    [Other Options]

    · Has Double Edge to hit harder than Return, but the recoil hurts Granbull as it has no reliable recovery to mitigate it.

    · Super Fang can be used to wear down walls and other things it struggles to damage, but Granbull is often too slow to make use of it.

    · Superpower can be used over Close Combat, but the attack drop is undesirable over Close Combat's defense drops.

    · A Choice Band is also viable, but is mostly outclassed Sheer Force Tauros who is much faster and hits nearly as hard with Rock Climb as Granbull hits with Return.

    · Although Trick Room is generally a poor strategy in NU, Granbull can work very well in Trick Room teams because it brings the much needed support Trick Room teams need to function.

    · Has Work Up and Bulk Up as boosting options, but is too slow to effectively use the former and has no reliable recovery to effectively use the latter. Both also either replace a coverage move or replace a support move which Granbull does not really want to do.

    · Like most Normal types, has many special attacking option, but its 60 base SpA is not really useable even if boosted by Work Up.



    [Checks and Counters]

    · Fighting types in general check Granbull. Choice Band Sawk can OHKO with Close Combat even after Intimidate while Gurdurr can take Granbull's attacks, gain a Guts bosst if it switches in on Thunder Wave or Toxic, and recover its health with Drain Punch.

    · If Granbull is using Close Combat, any Ghost type will be immune to its attacks while only having to watch out for Thunder Wave or Toxic. Misdreavus is the best option to wall Close Combat Granbull as it can shrug off status with Heal Bell.

    · If using Crunch, Rock and Steel types, namely Probopass and Bastiodon, are free to set up Stealth Rocks as they take almost nothing from Granbull.

    · Alomomola can wear Granbull down with Scald or Waterfall then heal with Wish, while only having to worry about Toxic beause it takes almost nothing from Granbull's attacks otherwise.

    · Tangela and Vileplume work similarly to Alomomola while even being able to put Granbull to sleep with Sleep Powder. Vileplume can even shrug off status with Aromatherapy.

    [Overview]

    <p>Granbull is an outclassed Pokemon if it decides to go fully offensive or fully defensive. It's the combination of its usable bulk with Intimidate, high Attack, and fairly unique support movepool that separate it from other Normal-types in NU. Its base 120 Attack can leave dents in anything that does not resist its moves, and its support moves can give more offensive teams much needed cleric support without giving up too much momentum. Even with Intimidate though, Granbull's lack of resistances, poor Special Defense, and low Speed make it difficult for it to keep up with both attackers and walls alike.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Support
    move 1: Return
    move 2: Close Combat / Crunch
    move 3: Heal Bell
    move 4: Toxic / Thunder Wave
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Intimidate
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is Granbull's only set that isn't entirely outclassed by something else in the tier. Return is Granbull's main attacking move, as anything that doesn't resist it will be taking a lot of damage. Next, there is a choice to be made for coverage between Close Combat and Crunch. Close Combat hits the Rock- and Steel-types that would resist Return but leaves Granbull walled by Ghost-types. Crunch hits Ghost-types super effectively, most notably, Golurk but it leaves Granbull walled by Rock- and Steel-types. Heal Bell is the move that gives Granbull its niche as an offensive supporter by healing itself and its team of status. The last slot should be either Thunder Wave or Toxic. Thunder Wave helps alleviate Granbull's speed problem while also slowing down faster threats for the rest of Granbull's team, while Toxic should always be used with Close Combat so Granbull isn't completely walled by Ghost-types, specifically Golurk, which is immune to both Close Combat and Thunder Wave.</p>


    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>An Adamant nature is chosen to maximize Granbull's attacking power, though an Impish nature can be used if more physical bulk is desired. All three offensive moves can be used on this set along with one of the support moves, but this option is mostly outclassed by other Normal-types such as Miltank. Body Slam can be used over Return for its paralysis chance, but Granbull will miss the extra power not to mention the fact that Body Slam is illegal with Close Combat. Even with Intimidate, Granbull is still afraid of Fighting-type attacks, so Misdreavus and Musharna make excellent defensive partners to shore up this weakness with the former being able to burn foes with Will-O-Wisp and the latter being able to set up with Calm Mind. Offensively, anything that can get rid of the Rock-, Steel-, and Ghost-types that wall Granbull make a good partner as well. The best offensive partner for Granbull would be Golurk. Golurk can switch in on Fighting-type attacks that threaten Granbull and take out all the Rock-, Steel-, and Ghost-types that Granbull cannot hit hard with its STAB attacks. It also benefits from Thunder Wave slowing down faster threats or Toxic wearing down walls. Skuntank can't touch Rock- and Steel-types, but it can Pursuit trap the Ghost-types that Granbull struggles with. Many Pokemon appreciate Granbull's Heal Bell support and its ability to lure in and Toxic physical walls as well as its ability to paralyze faster Pokemon.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Granbull has quite a large movepool, but most of its options are not very reliable or can't be used effectively with its stats. Granbull has Double-Edge to hit harder than Return, but it really doesn't appreciate the recoil considering it has no reliable recovery. Super Fang wears down walls that Granbull struggles with, but Granbull is often too slow to properly use it. A Choice Band set is also viable but is generally outclassed by Zangoose, which sports the same coverage as Granbull but is much faster and hits harder with its Normal-type STAB. Granbull also has access to Quick Feet to increase its Speed when statused, but Ursaring, which also has Quick Feet, has both better Attack and Speed than Granbull as well as access to Swords Dance. Although Trick Room is generally a poor strategy in NU, Granbull can work very well on Trick Room teams because of its low Speed, its monstrous Attack, and the support it brings to help Trick Room teams function. With access to Bulk Up and Work Up, Granbull can boost its stats to further increase its offensive presence, but it's too slow to use either effectively. Both also either replace a coverage move or replace a support move, which Granbull does not really want to give up. Finally, like most Normal-types, Granbull has many special attacking options, but base 60 Special Attack is not really usable even if boosted by Work Up.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Granbull is not very hard to counter due to its exploitable typing, low Special Defense, and lack of reliable recovery. Fighting-types in general check Granbull. Choice Band Sawk can OHKO with Close Combat even after Intimidate, and Gurdurr can take Granbull's attacks, gain a Guts boost if it switches in on Thunder Wave or Toxic, and recover its health with Drain Punch. If Granbull is using Close Combat, any Ghost-type will be immune to its attacks and only have to watch out for Thunder Wave or Toxic. Misdreavus is the best option to wall Close Combat Granbull as it can shrug off status with Heal Bell. If using Crunch, Rock-and Steel-types, such as Probopass and Bastiodon, are free to set up Stealth Rock as they take almost nothing from Granbull's attacks. Alomomola can wear Granbull down with Scald or Waterfall then heal with Wish,only having to worry about Toxic because it takes almost nothing from Granbull's attacks otherwise. Tangela and Vileplume work similarly to Alomomola and can also put Granbull to sleep with Sleep Powder. Vileplume can shrug off status with Aromatherapy. Granbull's most exploitable weakness is its Special Defense; any decently powered STAB special attack can knock out Granbull pretty easily.</p>
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    Miltank can also do this (albeit relying on Body Slam for Paralysis)

    Looking at Granbull it really doesn't ave too many options that it can use that aren't done better by something else.

    Other options ccould be expanded to include;
    • Quick Feet + Facade - although it's really outclassed by ursaring
    • Payback (Again, low base speed, will more often than not underspeed most things)
    • Earthquake so you can still hit Steels when used alongside Body Slam (Secret Power for more PP)
    • Brick Break instead of Close combat / Superpower (because of Stat drops / illegalities) but there is a noticeable drop in power. Also Low Kick which hits some things for the same damage without the stat drops - we're talking bastiodon, Golem and Probopass (but you miss out on a harder hit on Liepard)
    • Wild Charge / Thunderpunch

    • also want to mention Mega Kick - Although there are a lot of illegalites with its other moves I'm not so sure.

    Everything it tries to do, other things can do better, which should be emphasised (Even the set listed is done better by Miltank)


    lol it also gets outrage
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  3. HispanicPanic

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    Well, Miltank usually goes fully supportive which is why I gave Granbull max attack investment. Granbull is outclassed by basically everything, I agree, but support Miltank can't hit nearly as hard as Granbull while also trying to support its team. That's literally its only set that I found that it does slightly better than what Miltank can do. I will emphasis how it's outclassed though, and I will add everything you mentioned in other options. Thanks FireMage!
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    [Overview]
    • I wouldn't say that Intimidate and base 90 HP make it physically bulky, so much as that they allow it to tank some neutral physical hits.
    • For the last point, I'd just emphasize that the combination of Intimidate and fairly unique support moves allow Granbull to separate itself from other Normal-types in NU. Thunder Wave and Intimidate don't cut it because Stoutland has that, and Heal Bell and Thunder Wave don't cut it because Miltank has Heal Bell and Body Slam. It's the combination of the three that make Granbull usable.
    [SET]
    • Change the order of the slashes on move 4 to correspond with move 2. Close Combat should be used with Toxic, while Crunch should be used with Thunder Wave so that you always have some way of doing something to Golurk.
    • Move Body Slam to Additional Comments for now. I'd rather have the extra power most of the time, and it would suck to paralyze something you want to Toxic. The illegality with Close Combat is the nail in the coffin, as that would be the only time I would want to use it because you don't have to worry about it interfering with Toxic.
    [SET COMMENTS]
    • On the mention of Toxic and Thunder Wave, explain that they correspond with move 2 and why that is.
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • When you talk about partners to get rid of Ghost-, Rock-, and Steel-types, mention Golurk first. Skuntank is good to get rid of Ghost-types and should still be mentioned, but it can't really do much of anything to most Rock- and Steel-types.
    • Make a short mention that you can use all three offensive moves on the set along with one of Thunder Wave, Toxic, or Heal Bell, but that it would be heavily outclassed by other Normal-types.
    [Other Options]
    • When you mention Granbull in Trick Room teams, add that Trick Room is generally a poor strategy; while I'm sure it would do fine as a Trick Room sweeper, I don't want to encourage use of Trick Room as a playstyle.
    Everything else looks great! Make these few changes, and I'll stamp.
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    Made the changes that Treecko suggested.
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    Remove Body Slam from the set and make a mention of it in Additional Comments. If anyone disagrees with this, it can be changed back.

    QC Approved 1/3
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    Will do. I'll have something up by tomorrow.
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    Analysis is up!
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    [Overview]
    Remove the first sentence, the second and third sentence already say what that first sentence is trying to say, but in more detail. In the second paragraph combine the first 3 sentences together. Something like: "Even with Intimidate Grabull's lack of resistances and poor Special Defense and Speed make it difficult for it to keep up with both attackers and walls alike." Then remove the last 2 sentences are combine the paragraphs. Reasoning for this is: those walls you mentioned do not like getting Toxic'd and Missy doesn't like switching into a Crunch either.

    [Additional Comments]
    I would remove the part saying that virtually everything in NU likes Granbull support because it makes it sound way better than it is. Just say that many Pokemon like Heal Bell support. That and that being able to lure in physicall walls and Toxic and Twaving faster Pokemon can beneficial as well. Combine the last sentence with the one where you talk about Golurk being a good partner. Say that Golurk can beat the things that annoy Granbull and it also appreciates Thunder Wave support for faster threats or Toxic support for the walls.

    [Other Options]
    Don't mention Superpower, Close Combat is better in every way. You should probably mention Zangoose instead of Sheer Force Tauros, or at least add it in since it has the same coverage as Grabull except faster and better Normal-type STAB.

    Implement @HispanicPanic and I will stamp. While you're doing this you should also look over the write up to fix grammatical errors as best as you can before it goes to GP. Some other things to fix would be things like "Rock and Steel types" changed to "Rock- and Steel-types".
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    I'll get everything done by the end of today most likely, ebeast. It's my first analysis, so I apologize if it's not the best quality.
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    No problem, this is actually very good for a first analysis. Definitely better than my first. :) Just tag me when you do implement it and I'll look at it again. Good work.
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    @ebeast Updated analysis is up.
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    Change instances of "Pokémon" to "Pokemon"

    QC Approved 3/3
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    @HispanicPanic First here's a version of your analysis with the curly apostrophes changed to straight ones like they're supposed to be. Redew has a thread here explaining how to make MS Word not use the curly quotes if that's what you're using.

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    [Overview]

    <p>Granbull is generally an outclassed Pokemon if it decides to go fully offensive or fully defensive. It's the combination of its usable bulk with Intimidate, high Attack, and fairly unique support move pool that separate it from other Normal-types in NU. Its 120 base Attack can leave dents in anything that does not resist its moves, and its support moves can give more offensive teams much needed clerical support without giving up too much momentum. Even with Intimidate, Granbull's lack of resistances, poor Special Defense, and Speed make it difficult for it to keep up with both attackers and walls alike.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Support
    move 1: Return
    move 2: Close Combat / Crunch
    move 3: Heal Bell
    move 4: Toxic / Thunder Wave
    item: Leftover
    ability: Intimidate
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is Granbull's only set that isn't entirely outclassed by something else in the tier. Return will be Granbull's main attacking move, as anything that doesn't resist its STAB will be taking a lot of damage. Next, there is a choice to be made for coverage between Close Combat and Crunch. Close Combat hits the Rock- and Steel-types that would resist Return but leaves Granbull walled by Ghosts. Crunch hits Ghosts super effectively while also making sure Granbull can hit Golurk but leaves it walled against Rock- and Steel-types. Heal Bell is the move that gives Granbull its niche as an offensive supporter by healing any status problems on Granbull and its team. The last slot can fit either Thunder Wave or Toxic. Thunder Wave helps alleviate Granbull's speed problem while also slowing down faster threats for the rest of Granbull's team. Toxic should always be used with Close Combat so, again, Granbull isn't completely walled by Ghost-types.</p>


    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>An Adamant nature was chosen to maximize Granbull's attacking power while an Impish nature can be used if more physical bulk is desired. All three offensive moves can be used on this set along with one of the support moves, but this option is mostly outclassed by other Normal-types such as Miltank. Body Slam can be used over Return for the paralysis, but Granbull will miss the extra power not to mention that it is illegal with Close Combat. Even with Intimidate, Granbull is still afraid of even non-STAB fighting attacks, so Misdreavus and Musharna make excellent defensive partners to shore up this weakness with the former being able to burn with Will-O-Wisp and the latter being able to set up with Calm Mind. Offensively, anything that get rid of the Rock, Steel, or Ghost-types that wall Granbull make good partners as well. The best offensive partner for Granbull would be Golurk. Golurk can switch in on fighting attacks that threaten Granbull, and take out all three types with its STAB attacks while also benefitting from Granbull's Thunder Wave for faster threats and Toxic for wearing down walls. Skuntank can't touch Rock-and Steel-types, but can pursuit trap the Ghosts that Granbull struggles with. Many Pokemon appreciate Granbull's Heal Bell support and its ability to lure and toxic physical walls as well as its ability to paralyze faster Pokemon.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Granbull has quite a large move pool, but most of its options are not very reliable or can't be used with Granbull's stats. Granbull has Double-Edge to hit harder than Return, but it really doesn't appreciate the recoil considering it has no reliable recovery. Super Fang wears down walls that Granbull struggles with, but Granbull is often too slow to properly use it. A Choice Band set is also viable but is generally outclassed by Zangoose who sports the same coverage as Granbull while also being much faster and hitting hard with its Normal-type STAB. Granbull also has access to Quick Feet to increase its speed when statused, but Ursaring, who also has Quick Feet, has both better Attack and Speed than Granbull as well as access to Swords Dance. Although Trick Room is generally a poor strategy in NU, Granbull can work very well in Trick Room teams because of its low speed, monstrous Attack, and the support it brings to help Trick Room teams function. With access to Bulk Up and Work Up, can boost it stats to further increase its offensive presence, it's too slow to use either effectively. Both also either replace a coverage move or replace a support move which Granbull does not really want to do. Finally, like most Normal-types, Granbull has many special attacking options, but 60 base Special Attack is not really useable even if boosted by Work Up.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Granbull is not very hard to counter mostly due to its exploitable typing, Special Defense, and lack of recovery. Fighting types in general check Granbull. Choice Band Sawk can OHKO with Close Combat even after Intimidate while Gurdurr can take Granbull's attacks, gain a Guts boost if it switches in on Thunder Wave or Toxic, and recover its health with Drain Punch. If Granbull is using Close Combat, any Ghost type will be immune to its attacks while only having to watch out for Thunder Wave or Toxic. Misdreavus is the best option to wall Close Combat Granbull as it can shrug off status with Heal Bell. If using Crunch: Rock-and Steel-types, namely Probopass and Bastiodon, are free to set up Stealth Rocks as they take almost nothing from Granbull. Alomomola can wear Granbull down with Scald or Waterfall then heal with Wish, while only having to worry about Toxic because it takes almost nothing from Granbull's attacks otherwise. Tangela and Vileplume work similarly to Alomomola whilealso being able to put Granbull to sleep with Sleep Powder. Vileplume can shrug off status with Aromatherapy. Granbull's most exploitable weakness is its Special Defense--any decently powered STAB special attack can knock out Granbull pretty easily. </p>

    Now after you copy paste that, here's your first GP check. Good job on writing this.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Granbull is generally an outclassed Pokemon if it decides to go fully offensive or fully defensive. It's the combination of its usable bulk with Intimidate, high Attack, and fairly unique support move pool movepool that separate it from other Normal-types in NU. Its 120 base 120 Attack can leave dents in anything that does not resist its moves, and its support moves can give more offensive teams much needed clerical support without giving up too much momentum. Even with Intimidate though, Granbull's lack of resistances, poor Special Defense, and low Speed make it difficult for it to keep up with both attackers and walls alike.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Support
    move 1: Return
    move 2: Close Combat / Crunch
    move 3: Heal Bell
    move 4: Toxic / Thunder Wave
    item: Leftover Leftovers
    ability: Intimidate
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is Granbull's only set that isn't entirely outclassed by something else in the tier. Return will be is Granbull's main attacking move, as anything that doesn't resist its STAB it will be taking a lot of damage. Next, there is a choice to be made for coverage between Close Combat and Crunch. Close Combat hits the Rock- and Steel-types that would resist Return but leaves Granbull walled by Ghosts Ghost-types. Crunch hits Ghosts Ghost-types super effectively while also making and makes sure Granbull can hit Golurk but leaves it walled against by Rock- and Steel-types. Heal Bell is the move that gives Granbull its niche as an offensive supporter by healing any status problems on Granbull it and its team. The last slot can fit either Thunder Wave or Toxic. Thunder Wave helps alleviate Granbull's speed problem while also slowing down faster threats for the rest of Granbull's team. Toxic should always be used with Close Combat so, again, Granbull isn't completely walled by Ghost-types.</p>


    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>An Adamant nature was is chosen to maximize Granbull's attacking power (add comma) while though an Impish nature can be used if more physical bulk is desired. All three offensive moves can be used on this set along with one of the support moves, but this option is mostly outclassed by other Normal-types such as Miltank. Body Slam can be used over Return for the paralysis, but Granbull will miss the extra power not to mention that it is illegal with Close Combat. Even with Intimidate, Granbull is still afraid of even non-STAB fighting Fighting attacks, so Misdreavus and Musharna make excellent defensive partners to shore up this weakness with the former being able to burn with Will-O-Wisp and the latter being able to set up with Calm Mind. Offensively, anything that can get rid of the Rock, Steel, or Rock-, Steel-, and Ghost-types that wall Granbull make good partners makes a good partner as well. The best offensive partner for Granbull would be Golurk. Golurk can switch in on fighting Fighting attacks that threaten Granbull, (remove comma) and take out all three types that Granbull cannot hit with its STAB attacks (start new sentence) while also benefitting It also benefits from Granbull's Thunder Wave for slowing down faster threats and its Toxic for wearing down walls. Skuntank can't touch Rock-and Rock- and Steel-types, but it can pursuit Pursuit trap the Ghosts Ghost-types that Granbull struggles with. Many Pokemon appreciate Granbull's Heal Bell support and its ability to lure and toxic Toxic physical walls as well as its ability to paralyze faster Pokemon.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Granbull has quite a large move pool movepool, but most of its options are not very reliable or can't be used effectively with Granbull's its stats. Granbull has Double-Edge to hit harder than Return, but it really doesn't appreciate the recoil considering it has no reliable recovery. Super Fang wears down walls that Granbull struggles with, but Granbull is often too slow to properly use it. A Choice Band set is also viable but is generally outclassed by Zangoose (add comma) who which sports the same coverage as Granbull while also being but is much faster and hitting hard hits harder with its Normal-type STAB. Granbull also has access to Quick Feet to increase its speed Speed when statused, but Ursaring, who which also has Quick Feet, has both better Attack and Speed than Granbull as well as access to Swords Dance. Although Trick Room is generally a poor strategy in NU, Granbull can work very well in on Trick Room teams because of its low speed Speed, its monstrous Attack, and the support it brings to help Trick Room teams function. With access to Bulk Up and Work Up, Granbull can boost it its stats to further increase its offensive presence, but it's too slow to use either effectively. Both also either replace a coverage move or replace a support move (add comma) which Granbull does not really want to do. Finally, like most Normal-types, Granbull has many special attacking options, but 60 base 60 Special Attack is not really useable usable even if boosted by Work Up.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Granbull is not very hard to counter mostly due to its exploitable typing, low Special Defense, and lack of recovery. Fighting types Fighting-types in general check Granbull. Choice Band Sawk can OHKO with Close Combat even after Intimidate (add comma) while and Gurdurr can take Granbull's attacks, gain a Guts boost if it switches in on Thunder Wave or Toxic, and recover its health with Drain Punch. If Granbull is using Close Combat, any Ghost type Ghost-type will be immune to its attacks while only having and only have to watch out for Thunder Wave or Toxic. Misdreavus is the best option to wall Close Combat Granbull as it can shrug off status with Heal Bell. If using Crunch: (change to comma) Rock-and Steel-types, namely such as Probopass and Bastiodon, are free to set up Stealth Rocks Rock as they take almost nothing from Granbull. Alomomola can wear Granbull down with Scald or Waterfall then heal with Wish, while only having to worry about Toxic because it takes almost nothing from Granbull's attacks otherwise. Tangela and Vileplume work similarly to Alomomola whilealso being able to and can also put Granbull to sleep with Sleep Powder. Vileplume can shrug off status with Aromatherapy. Granbull's most exploitable weakness is its Special Defense--Defense&mdash;any decently powered STAB special attack can knock out Granbull pretty easily. </p> (remove space before </p> tag)

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    <p>Granbull is an outclassed Pokemon if it decides to go fully offensive or fully defensive. It's the combination of its usable bulk with Intimidate, high Attack, and fairly unique support movepool that separate it from other Normal-types in NU. Its base 120 Attack can leave dents in anything that does not resist its moves, and its support moves can give more offensive teams much needed cleric support without giving up too much momentum. Even with Intimidate though, Granbull's lack of resistances, poor Special Defense, and low Speed make it difficult for it to keep up with both attackers and walls alike.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Support
    move 1: Return
    move 2: Close Combat / Crunch
    move 3: Heal Bell
    move 4: Toxic / Thunder Wave
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Intimidate
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is Granbull's only set that isn't entirely outclassed by something else in the tier. Return is Granbull's main attacking move, as anything that doesn't resist it will be taking a lot of damage. Next, there is a choice to be made for coverage between Close Combat and Crunch. Close Combat hits the Rock- and Steel-types that would resist Return but leaves Granbull walled by Ghost-types. Crunch hits Ghost-types super effectively, most notably Golurk, but it leaves Granbull walled by Rock- and Steel-types. Heal Bell is the move that gives Granbull its niche as an offensive supporter by healing itself and its team of status. The last slot should be either Thunder Wave or Toxic. Thunder Wave helps to alleviate Granbull's speed problem while also slowing down faster threats for the rest of Granbull's team, while Toxic should always be used with Close Combat so that Granbull isn't completely walled by Ghost-types (I'm guessing youre referring specifically to golurk here, so mention that).</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>An Adamant nature is chosen to maximize Granbull's attacking power, though an Impish nature can be used if more physical bulk is desired. All three offensive moves can be used on this set along with one of the support moves, but this option is mostly outclassed by other Normal-types such as Miltank. Body Slam can be used over Return for its paralysis chance, but Granbull will miss the extra power, not to mention the fact that Body Slam is illegal with Close Combat. Even with Intimidate, Granbull is still afraid of any Fighting-type attack, so Misdreavus and Musharna make excellent defensive partners to shore up this weakness with the former being able to burn foes with Will-O-Wisp and the latter being able to set up with Calm Mind. Offensively, anything that can get rid of the Rock-, Steel-, and Ghost-types that wall Granbull make a good partner as well. The best offensive partner for Granbull would be Golurk. Golurk can switch in on Fighting-type attacks that threaten Granbull and take out all the Rock-, Steel-, and Ghost-types that Granbull cannot hit hard with its STAB attacks. It also benefits from Thunder Wave slowing down faster threats or Toxic wearing down walls. Skuntank can't touch Rock- and Steel-types, but it can Pursuit trap the Ghost-types that Granbull struggles with. Many Pokemon appreciate Granbull's Heal Bell support and its ability to lure in and Toxic physical walls as well as its ability to paralyze faster Pokemon.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Granbull has quite a large movepool, but most of its options are not very reliable or can't be used effectively with its stats. Granbull has Double-Edge to hit harder than Return, but it really doesn't appreciate the recoil considering it has no reliable recovery. Super Fang wears down walls that Granbull struggles with, but Granbull is often too slow to properly use it. A Choice Band set is also viable but is generally outclassed by Zangoose, who sports the same coverage as Granbull but is much faster and hits harder with its Normal-type STAB. Granbull also has access to Quick Feet to increase its Speed when statused, but Ursaring, which also has Quick Feet, has both better Attack and Speed than Granbull as well as access to Swords Dance. Although Trick Room is generally a poor strategy in NU, Granbull can work very well on Trick Room teams because of its low Speed, its monstrous Attack, and the support it brings to help Trick Room teams function. With access to Bulk Up and Work Up, Granbull can boost its stats to further increase its offensive presence, but it's too slow to use either effectively. Both also either replace a coverage move or replace a support move, which Granbull does not really want to give up. Finally, like most Normal-types, Granbull has many special attacking options, but base 60 Special Attack is not really usable even if boosted by Work Up.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Granbull is not very hard to counter due to its exploitable typing, low Special Defense, and lack of reliable recovery. Fighting-types in general check Granbull. Choice Band Sawk can OHKO with Close Combat even after Intimidate, and Gurdurr can take Granbull's attacks, gain a Guts boost if it switches in on Thunder Wave or Toxic, and recover its health with Drain Punch. If Granbull is using Close Combat, any Ghost-type will be immune to its attacks and only have to watch out for Thunder Wave or Toxic. Misdreavus is the best option to wall Close Combat Granbull as it can shrug off status with Heal Bell. If using Crunch, Rock-and Steel-types, such as Probopass and Bastiodon, are free to set up Stealth Rock as they take almost nothing from Granbull's attacks. Alomomola can wear Granbull down with Scald or Waterfall then heal with Wish, only having to worry about Toxic because it takes almost nothing from Granbull's attacks otherwise. Tangela and Vileplume work similarly to Alomomola and can also put Granbull to sleep with Sleep Powder. Vileplume can shrug off status with Aromatherapy. Granbull's most exploitable weakness is its Special Defense; any decently powered STAB special attack can knock out Granbull pretty easily.</p>


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