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Gen 2 GSC Ubers?

Discussion in 'Ruins of Alph' started by Umby, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. Earthworm

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    I like skarm because it walls most Mew better, as well as both SD lax and drumlax. It also takes Explosion pretty well. I concede that I am probably underrating Lugia though.

    In my experience Celebi has been a lot worse than Miltank, though most that I see run Psychic instead of Perish Song. Miltank + Skarm is capable of walling basically anything that doesn't run powerful special moves and paralysis is very handy for letting Mew / drumlax break through things or waste heal bell if you are stuck. Trading Miltank for Mewtwo or Snorlax is not such a bad trade imo. It also allows you to cover random Curse Ho-oh / Lugia that might otherwise be able to sweep you under the right circumstances, whereas I see Celebi as a more temporary measure (maybe because I have only faced Psychic versions) and it is also weak to something on nearly every setup Pokemon's set.

    Another issue with Celebi is that it doesn't really force Pokemon out immediately. If they stay in while Leeched and/or PSonged then switch on the last or second last turn, they might be dealing a fair amount of damage that you don't want to have to deal with. I know some Celebi have tried to force my Mew out in the past and they usually get the short end of the stick.

    Thinking about it more, I can see some potential in just using Steelix to attempt to trade itself for something more valuable.

    You talk about Zapdos paralysing things, which Miltank does also, which is one of the main reasons I have found it to be effective.


    Another thing I am considering: I actually lost a game to a Curse Tyranitar because I missed a couple of crucial Submissions and I think Miltank got exploded upon earlier. Is there a better way to handle Tyranitar with the standard ubers team than try to kill it with submission? It does seem kind of threatening in theory.
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    I know how much you hate it but Celebi also does a good job of checking Ttar. It can force it out with Psong or stall it out indefinitely with Leech Seed + Recover. If you're really scared of letting Ttar get to +4 and murdering you with a crit I guess you could use HP Grass to deal with it. Celebi has a dearth of good options for that 4th slot anyway.

    Also the aforementioned Steelix wrecks it unless Ttar Fire Blasts, but that means it's either giving up Rest or Roar. Probably Roar, but without Roar it's pretty limited.

    Charmbreon stalls it indefinitely.

    If you're really afraid of missing Submissions HP Fighting is always an option, granted the HP and Attack drops are pretty noticeable.

    Ttar is pretty scary in theory. In practice I think he falters because everything he could switch in on has something to ruin his day.
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    But Zapdos is doing 30-60% on things, or you can para with 100% success rate. Miltank is doing 15-20% to things. Miltank should rarely be attacking, since that's really a waste of a turn imo. Same thing with celebi, what is honestly being hit with psychic? Heracross?

    Skarm is probably better than what I made it out to sound, but it's still no Lugia. I'd probably explode on skarm with snorlax or something after sleeping it. LK SD curselax is tough to stop with just one poke.

    @jorgen: Once you seed it, you can just switch to your own curser [that's not ho-oh]. I don't see ttar doing anything because it's weak to everything. Except maybe mono lax. Even switching in on ho-oh risks a burn/eq.
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    The problem with just going Curser is that Ttar Curses up alongside it and just Roars it out. Leech Seed only makes the setup process slightly more annoying for it unless you can actually hit Ttar back.

    The way I see you dealing with it is Seeding it, waiting for it to Rest, then bringing in Mew to SD in its face and smack it with Submission.

    If Mew is gone I don't know what you do unless you have something special for Ttar (e.g., HP Grass Celebi, Steelix) or have Curse Mewtwo and predict the Rest turn to get more than one +1 Submission in against it.

    If you're going to combat CurseTar with Submission, you need it to be sleeping so that you can boost without Ttar Roaring you out, because without a boost unSTABbed Submission just isn't doing enough to a boosted Ttar to force it out.

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