Heh.
Like I said, the only thing that can afford to use Fly is Golurk. And only on cartridge.
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Pokémon Hawlucha
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Like I said, the only thing that can afford to use Fly is Golurk. And only on cartridge.
While I understand that the move is vastly outclassed by the other STAB moves...could you plausibly run FlyingPress, as its covers both STABs, to perhaps make room for a filler move? I would run HoneClaws with this but clearly you can do this with HJK and SkyAttack/Acrobatics.
You could run FlyingPress/HoneClaws/StoneEdgeand a filler whether it be SteelWing or just Roost for HP. I know its a long shot for being mediocre compared to the normal sets but just asking.
You could run FlyingPress/HoneClaws/StoneEdgeand a filler whether it be SteelWing or just Roost for HP. I know its a long shot for being mediocre compared to the normal sets but just asking.
Press has strange resist interactions. You'd basically be selling off smacking around Steels and Rocks (and the odd bug) for an extra moveslot. I don't think it very wise.
No, I don't think it's a great idea. Flying Press is a cool novelty move, but Hawlucha's main niche would be Acrobatics + Power Herb/Berry (Flying Gem in the future). But otherwise, it just can't keep up with the fighting type Competition in OU. Mega Lucario, Terrakion, and though it's fallen from it's days of glory, Keldeo all have the stats to back it up.
I guess it cold also serve an odd niche in a VoltTurn team with it's speed, but Infernape and Mienshao still give it heavy competition.
Flying Press only gets fighting stab. And if it hits a steel type it will only do neatrual because if it resits one if the types it will resit.
While he's fast i can't see this doing too much on account of his low bulk. While he can no doubt take at least 1 physical attack. Not by anything with noteable power. I can't really see him getting an OU look. but i can see him crushing RU or UU
He will probably crush in RU or UU simply by virtue of Fighting/Flying being such an excellent STAB combination. His only major hardcounters are Talonflame and Aegislash, and both are pretty solidly OU.
I see what you mean but when it comes down to it. Other OUs do what he does, only better (Tflame, Conkledurr) except of course the dual type attack! haha
Hawlucha is a Pokémon that I feel benefits from the increased popularity of Knock Off. It resists the move, and getting hit by it activates Unburden. If you have an Unburden Hawlucha on your team, it might make your opponent a lot more hesitant that they would have been to sling around such an otherwise spammable move.
The problem is the emphasis on the "hopefully live a hit". If it does i would say yes, thats good coverage along with nice speed/attack. But the bulk it carries make it an incredibly risky play.
Add to that, if you can predict the Knock Off, you get a nice boosted STAB Acrobatics out of it.
It's situational, but it would make Hawlucha a nice switch in partner for Pokemon like Eviolite Chansey/Doublade.
Those calculations seem pretty impressive to me, 2HKO on Skarmory is definitely cool, I thought Skarm could wall it all day
I see a lot of talk about Brave Bird, but personally Acrobatics is 100% more reliable. Paired with Unburden and Flying Gem it wrecks as it gets it's speed doubles and doesn't get 33% recoil from brave bird. Especially considering it isn't very bulky... After a brave bird it's essentially OHKO'd by most OU Pokemon.
Also, although Aegislash does exist, it doesn't rule out the fact that there's a switch button. If you see Aegi on a team, try kill it first. It saves getting recoil damage from Hi-Jump-Kick. Haha
First it doesn't even get Brave Bird. Second Flying Gem and Fighting Gem are currently unaviable, which means you have to resort of sheneanigans like Power Herb Sky Attack, Sitrus Berry or Red Card to trigger Unburden and Acrobatics.
On the subject of triggering Unburden, what about Kee Berries and Maranga Berries? They trigger upon taking a physical or special attack (respectively) to boost the user's defense. Now, Hawlucha doesn't really care about the defense boost itself, but this would allow him to trigger Unburden and the damage boost to Acrobatics as soon as he switches in, with the right prediction.
Wrassleburd doesn't like taking hits; he's definitely like other Flying-types in that regard. Most of the Unburden abuse tactics that have been posted here are focused around finding some way to trigger it without exposing Hawlucha to an attack, like Sub/Red Card or Power Herb Sky Attack.
It wouldn't be that bad, mind; taking a hit while you SD, for example, would work if you were sure it wouldn't 1HKO or leave you vulnerable to priority revenge kills.
Sorry, but I'm not sure of the terminology. "SD"?
And yeah, taking an actual hit is not a great situation, though it could be mitigated somewhat if you predict an attack that Hawlucha resists. Hm... wait, can the Kee Berry trigger if the attack hits a Substitute? Wait, that's basically just the Red Card strategy.
Anyway, I agree that Flying Gem, if we ever get it again, is the ideal, here.
I still say that the itemless Limber and even Mold Breaker sets should not be discounted. Mold Breaker is one of the best offensive abilities in the game; being able to ignore Multiscale, Unaware, Magic Bounce (for Encore), Sturdy, Filter...
I mean, dude.
+2 252 Atk Mold Breaker Hawlucha High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Aggron: 320-378 (93 - 109.8%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
Swords Dance.
Yeah, but what moves does it have for D-nite?
(And also damn hawlucha, aggron got nothing on ya.)
+2 252 Atk Mold Breaker Hawlucha Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Dragonite: 297-349 (91.6 - 107.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
Plenty.
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