Kingdra (Uber Analysis) [GP 2/2]

[Overview]

<p>Though Kingdra is usually seen as a bulky boosting sweeper in UU, it can actually be quite the threat in Ubers. With Kyogre's Drizzle summoning infinite rain, Kingdra will frequently receive doubled Speed from Swift Swim. Its two STABs are great offensively, as they are only resisted by Empoleon, Shedinja, and Ferrothorn, with only the latter being even remotely common in Ubers. Despite Kingdra's shallow movepool and the fact that it received zero viable new moves in the new generation, its movepool has everything it needs.</p>​

<p>However, Ubers is riddled with Dragon-types, so it might be hard for Kingdra to find a team slot. Most Dragon-types in Ubers have ridiculous attacking stats, while Kingdra only has Base 95 in both Attack and Special Attack. Even so, Kingdra's Speed is what sets it apart from the other dragons. In addition, it has a resistance to Bullet Punch and a neutrality to Stealth Rock, two things that Rayquaza wishes it had. The boost that Kyogre's Drizzle provides for Kingdra's Water-type attacks also somewhat remedies Kingdra's middling Attack and Special Attack. Dragon Dance further improves Kingdra's Attack, and allows it to outspeed everything in Ubers. If you have a rain-centralized team, definitely consider Kingdra for a team slot.</p>​

[SET]
name: Uber Dragon Dance
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Waterfall
move 3: Outrage
move 4: Draco Meteor / Yawn
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Lonely / Naughty
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe​

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Even in the fast-paced Ubers metagame, Kingdra won't have much trouble setting up a Dragon Dance. Although, at first glance, Kingdra might seem to be outclassed by Dragon Dance Rayquaza and its much higher attacking stats, Kingdra has some notable advantages over the green dragon. The first is Kingdra's superior typing, which leaves it with only one weakness in comparison to Rayquaza's three. Next is Kingdra's Speed in the rain, which can allow it to outspeed enemies as fast as Choice Scarf Shaymin-S even without any Dragon Dance boosts. After one Dragon Dance, Kingdra can effectively outspeed the entire Ubers metagame.</p>​

<p>Waterfall should be Kingdra's primary attack, and with a boost from rain, it will become just as strong as its Outrage, the preferred attack in clear skies or other weather. The typing combination of Dragon and Water is almost unstoppable, with Ferrothorn being the only common Pokemon in Ubers resisting it. Because of Kingdra's blistering Speed, even before any boosts, it can also function as a competent revenge killer. Even though Kingdra will never be able to deal as much damage as Rayquaza can, the high Base Power and awesome coverage of its attacks add to create fearsome offensive abilities. Draco Meteor is just as important as Kingdra's physical attacks, since without it, Kingdra would have to rely on Outrage in order to KO Shaymin-S and other threats. With Draco Meteor, Kingdra can 2HKO Groudon and Dialga sets without heavy Special Defense investment with a combination of Draco Meteor followed by Outrage. After Stealth Rock, Draco Meteor also has the power to smash through and OHKO some Dragons, such as Palkia and Rayquaza, without having to lock itself into Outrage. Yawn is an interesting option over Draco Meteor, as it will allow Kingdra to more easily attain Dragon Dances, while still allowing Kingdra to have maximum coverage.</p>​

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]​

<p>Ferrothorn is a surefire counter to this set in every possible way. It has monstrous defenses and its typing allows it to resist all of Kingdra's STAB attacks. Furthermore, Ferrothorn can easily set up on Kingdra with Spikes, cripple Kingdra with Thunder Wave (though Kingdra will still move first because of Ferrothorn's lackluster Speed), sap its health via Leech Seed, or smack Kingdra with its STAB Power Whip. Because Kingdra should only be used with rain on the field, Fire-type attacks will have less of an effect on Ferrothorn. For that reason, Aura Sphere or Focus Blast users are great teammates. Dialga resists both of Ferrothorn's STABs, doesn't mind a Thunder Wave, and easily 2HKOes Ferrothorn with Aura Sphere. Mewtwo and Darkrai can OHKO Ferrothorn with Aura Sphere and Focus Blast, respectively, but they both need to be on the lookout for Thunder Wave. Choice Scarf Shaymin-S is another good teammate as it can attract Fire-type attacks, to which Kingdra has a 6x resist in the rain (though Kingdra should definitely be wary of switching into Ho-Oh's Sacred Fire because of its 50% chance of inflicting burn).</p>​

<p>The EVs on this set will allow Kingdra to outspeed all variants of Choice Scarf Shaymin-S while still allowing Kingdra to OHKO said Shaymin-S with Draco Meteor after Stealth Rock. Because Lugia is a common switch-in to Kingdra, Tickle Wobbuffet is an invaluable teammate. With a Pursuit user like Scizor also on the team, all Lugia lacking Whirlwind don't even stand a chance of surviving. This can pave the way for a Kingdra sweep later on in the match, provided that Kingdra hasn't already sustained a lot of damage. Again, both Mewtwo and Darkrai are great partners, this time because they are quite adept at switching in and setting up on Lugia.</p>​

[SET]
name: Uber Mixed Attacker
move 1: Surf / Hydro Pump
move 2: Waterfall
move 3: Outrage
move 4: Draco Meteor
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Mild / Rash
evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe​

[SET COMMENTS]​

<p>Despite the fact that Kingdra has less than base 100 in both of its attacking stats, it can still function as a very competent mixed sweeper. Because of Swift Swim and the infinite rain that Kyogre provides, Kingdra will also be a great revenge killer. With a neutral nature and maximum investment, Kingdra hits a dangerous 590 Speed, easily outpacing all of the unboosted Pokemon in the metagame. Surf is the preferred option over Hydro Pump after considering Hydro Pump's imperfect accuracy and Surf's more than sufficient power under rain. Waterfall is Kingdra's physical STAB attack, and for good reason. It has a good chance of 2HKOing Blissey in the rain, and is guaranteed a 2HKO with Stealth Rock or one layer of Spikes. It will also always 2HKO Choice Band Tyranitar in sandstorm, a major threat to almost every rain team. Outrage will do tons of damage to any Pokemon that does not have either huge physical defense or a resistance to Dragon-type attacks. Even without Dragon Dance to boost its Attack, Kingdra can still do a good amount of damage to most Pokemon. Finally, Draco Meteor is Kingdra's strongest attack, capable of OHKOing many Pokemon. There is a great chance that Kingdra will OHKO Choice Scarf Shaymin-S with Draco Meteor, an achievement that can be guaranteed with the help of Stealth Rock. Darkrai is also OHKOed, but Surf will do more damage because of the double STAB that Kyogre's Drizzle provides.</p>​

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]​

<p>Despite the sheer immediate power this Kingdra brings to the table, it still has no way of stopping Ferrothorn. Furthermore, because Kyogre is an absolutely necessary partner to Kingdra in order for it to function properly, the rain Kyogre summons will only make taking out Ferrothorn harder. Shaymin-S has a powerful Air Slash which can flinch Ferrothorn to death, but should the move miss or fail to flinch, Shaymin-S will most likely be taking a Thunder Wave. Since this Kingdra has no method of attaining additional boosts outside of Baton Pass, it is easily countered outside of rain. Rayquaza, though unable to switch in on Kingdra's Outrage and Draco Meteor, can OHKO Kingdra with one of its own Dragon-type STABs. Choice Scarf Jirachi is an invaluable partner to deal with Rayquaza. Not only does it resist Rayquaza's STAB attacks and ExtremeSpeed, but it also KOs with Ice Punch and outspeeds all variants at +1 Speed, so it will not have to fear Earthquake or Fire Blast. If Choice Scarf Mewtwo is a concern, Wobbuffet can come in and revenge kill it with ease.</p>​

[Other Options]

<p>Kingdra really does not have much to work with outside of the moves listed on the above sets. It has access to Yawn, and in conjunction with Subsitute, can allow Kingdra to setup a Dragon Dance or two. Unfortunately, it would limit Kingdra to a single attack: Outrage or Waterfall, with Groudon or Palkia walling it, respectively. It can run a pure special set, but Kyogre, Palkia, Latios, and many others can do this much better. However, a Choice Specs set can be used for surprise value, as a rain-boosted Hydro Pump is then a 3HKO on Ferrothorn, factoring in Leftovers recovery.</p>

<p>Kingdra also gets Scald, but its power is inferior to both Surf and Hydro Pump, and Kingdra needs to inflict as much damage as possible while it is on the field. It can use a set consisting of Substitute and a pinch Berry, but the immediate power that Life Orb provides is generally better. Dragon Pulse can be used over Draco Meteor if accuracy is a concern, but the Dragon Dance set would require much more investment in Special Attack in order to supply sufficient power. Ice Beam will 2HKO Groudon and OHKOes Shaymin-S without Stealth Rock, but Draco Meteor gets better neutral coverage. Toxic can be used to cripple walls that lack status-clearing moves, but Kingdra is geared more toward offense, not support. If Choice Scarf Shaymin-S is not a concern, 40 Speed EVs can be shifted to either Attack or Special Attack, while still allowing Kingdra to beat up to and including Choice Scarf Terrakion. If Terrakion is also not a concern, 40 more EVs can be removed so Kingdra will still outpace threats up to and including Choice Scarf Palkia.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Kingdra is one hard cookie to crack if rain is on the field. In the rain, Normal Arceus can sponge an unboosted Waterfall and 2HKO Kingdra with ExtremeSpeed. Shedinja is immune to Water and Dragon and can outstall Kingdra with either Toxic or Will-O-Wisp. Groudon ends Kyogre's rain via Drought, weakening Kingdra's Water-type attacks, is almost never 2HKOed by a +1 Outrage if carrying Leftovers, and can paralyze Kingdra with Thunder Wave or KO it outright with Earthquake. Ferrothorn, though, is a complete counter to Kingdra, provided that it hasn't already used Dragon Dance three or more times. Ferrothorn can easily sap Kingdra's health with Leech Seed, and then proceed to set up Spikes and/or Stealth Rock while Kingdra loses health to Life Orb recoil and Leech Seed each turn. In the rain, Ferrothorn becomes even more annoying since its Fire-type weakness is somewhat mitigated. Lugia is bulky enough to stave off Outrage, and can stall out Kingdra's health with Roost or Recover. It can also phaze away all of Kingdra's boosts courtesy of Whirlwind.</p>​

<p>The best way to KO Kingdra is to take it out of its element - rain. Without the Speed boost, Kingdra becomes much easier to remove from the battle. Rayquaza's Air Lock does this well and Rayquaza can easily OHKO Kingdra with a Dragon-type attack. Outside of rain, Choice Scarf Shaymin-S outspeeds Kingdra and can flinch it to death with Air Slash, or go immediately for the jugular with Seed Flare or Leaf Storm after Stealth Rock or Life Orb recoil.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Kingdra gets Damp, a worthless ability that shouldn't even be considered.</p>​
 

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Life Orb should be the only option in the DD set. Take off Substitute. Kingdra needs to hit hard and fast to survive so Life Orb's extra power is needed. It's not worth getting rid of DMeteor for Sub or else you get completely screwed by Groudon.

Mention Choice Specs in OO, it's a great Ferrothorn lure (Hydro Pump 3HKOes) and its amazing Speed differentiates it from Kyogre/Palkia.

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You will want to use 260 Speed, so that you can outspeed Scarf Terrakion if the weather is rainy. You will not enjoy Terrakion killing you with Close Combat before Kingdra moves.

Mention or change the EV Spread to 252 Atk / 40 SpA / 216 Spe in order to outrun Terrakion. Scarf Terrakion is fairly common in Ubers and you will want to outspeed that before you use Dragon Dance.

Scarf Shaymin-S can outspeed Kingdra even in the rain and Leaf Storm will KO Kingdra easily.

Other than those:



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After Stealth Rock Shaymin-s kills you. Kingdra fails to OHKO Shaymin-S without boosts.

If Shaymin-S is Modest, which it can be in the Scarf set, it OHKOes you.
 

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After Stealth Rock Shaymin-s kills you. Kingdra fails to OHKO Shaymin-S without boosts.

If Shaymin-S is Modest, which it can be in the Scarf set, it OHKOes you.
Modest Scarf Skymin fails to outspeed Kingdra in the rain.
 
Modest Shaymin-S tops at 353 Speed. That is still faster than Kingdra in the rain. Kingdra must use max Speed which this set isn't to outspeed Modest Shaymin-S.
 

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Modest Shaymin-S tops at 353 Speed. That is still faster than Kingdra in the rain. Kingdra must use max Speed which this set isn't to outspeed Modest Shaymin-S.
Mention or change the EV Spread to 252 Atk / 40 SpA / 216 Spe in order to outrun Terrakion. Scarf Terrakion is fairly common in Ubers and you will want to outspeed that before you use Dragon Dance.
Well, obviously, you're not outspeeding Modest Scarf Skymin if you're only aiming for Terakion. What's to stop the Kingdra user running max Speed, though? What's to stop the Kingdra user running enough to outspeed Skymin? So, that said, max Speed is probably the way to go.
 
Most Scarf Shaymin-S run Timid as their nature so Kingdra isn't outspeeding it anyway.

Maybe change the spread to max Speed then. If you run Hasty, Kingdra loses a lot of power so going fast also has its drawbacks.

If Kingdra uses Hasty, it no longer OHKOes Darkrai with Waterfall after Stealth Rock damage and Groudon will take a lot less from Draco Meteor.
 

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Well, I think neutral nature, max Speed is enough. Running +ve nature is probably pushing it. Timid Skymin isn't OHKOing you anyway (Since Modest only has a slight chance to OHKO with Leaf Storm).
 
After SR damage and Life Orb it kills. Anyway, I agree with you. Max Speed, Lonely will probably be the best. Kingdra isn't achieving any extra KOs with the Special Attack EVs anyway.

Scarf Shaymin-S isn't that common this gen due to the drop in popularity of Deoxys-S and Rock Polish Groudon. Support Groudon is the most widely used Groudon set at the moment. However, it still helps to outspeed Modest Scarf Darkrai and Shaymin-S for a little less Special Attack in the end.
 
changed to 252 / 4 / 252 and 4 / 252 / 252 on the sets. Draco Meteor followed by a +1 Outrage on 252 HP / 252 Def Groudon is still a 2HKO anyways. Going to keep neutral Spe natures because waterfall only does 79.3% - 93.6% to Darkrai in the rain w/o boosts.

EDIT: yeah and anyways with max investment and neutral kingdra beats timid scarf skymin and OHKOs w/ DM after stealth rock anyways.
 
Max Speed is superfluous. Yeah, Scarf Shaymin and Scarf Terakion are not uncommon, but your sacking a ton of power with no investment in the other attack. NEITHER of them are directly switching into you, so if you have secured your dragon dance outspeeding them is irrelevant anyway. Kingdra is not an offensive powerhouse stat wise, so every point matters. I would stick to 250 (176, Neutral) for Scarfchomp at the very most. That is the most significant thing to outspeed you, and revenge kiliing him locked into Outrage is important.
 

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[Overview]

<p>Though Kingdra is usually seen as a bulky boosting sweeper in OU, it can actually be quite the threat in Ubers. With Kyogre's Drizzle summoning infinite rain, Kingdra can enjoy a double in its Speed a good majority of the time will frequently receive doubled speed from Swift Swim. Its two STABs are great offensively, as they are only resisted by Empoleon, Shedinja, and Ferrothorn, with just the latter being even remotely common in Ubers. Despite Kingdra's shallow movepool, in addition to and receiving zero viable moves in the new generation, it gets more than enough moves to work with its movepool has everything it needs.</p>

<p>However, Ubers is riddled with Dragon-types, so it might be hard for Kingdra to find a team slot. Most Dragon-types in Ubers have ridiculous attacking stats on both sides of the spectrum, while Kingdra only has Base 95 in both of its Attack and Special Attack. Even so, Kingdra's Speed is what gives it a distinct advantage over the other Dragons. In addition, it has a resistance to Bullet Punch and a neutrality to Stealth Rock, two things that Rayquaza wished it had. The boost that Kyogre's Drizzle provides for Kingdra's Water-type attacks also somewhat remedies Kingdra's middling Attack and Special Attack. Dragon Dance further improves Kingdra's Attack, and allows it to outspeed everything in Ubers. If you have a rain-centralized team, definitely consider Kingdra for a team slot.</p>

[Set]
name: Uber Dragon Dance
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Waterfall
move 3: Outrage
move 4: Draco Meteor
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Lonely / Naughty
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Even in the fast-paced Ubers metagame, Kingdra won't have much trouble setting up a Dragon Dance. Although, at first glance, Kingdra might seem to be outclassed by Dragon Dance Rayquaza and its much higher attacking stats, Kingdra has some notable advantages over the green dragon. The first of which is Kingdra's superior typing, which leaves it with only one weakness in comparison to Rayquaza's three. Next is Kingdra's Speed with maximum EVs in the rain, allowing it to can easily outspeed up to and including all enemies as fast as Choice Scarf Shaymin-S even before any without Dragon Dance boosts. After one Dragon Dance, Kingdra can effectively outspeed the entire Ubers metagame. Swift Swim is the real advantage, though, as it gives an immediate Speed boost that many offensive Pokémon wished they had.</p>

<p>Waterfall should be Kingdra's primary attack, and because of the rain with a boost from rain, it will become just as strong as its Outrage, the preferred attack in clear skies or other weather. The typing combination of Dragon and Water is almost unstoppable, with Ferrothorn being the only common Pokémon in Ubers resisting it. Because of Kingdra's blistering Speed, even before any boosts, it can also function as a competent revenge killer. Even though Kingdra will never be able to deal as much damage as Rayquaza can, Kingdra can still inflict a lot of damage with its attacks the high base power and awesome coverage of its attacks ensure it fearsome offensive abilities. In addition, Draco Meteor is just as important as Kingdra's physical attacks, since without it, Kingdra would have to rely on Outrage in order to KO Shaymin-S and other threats. With Draco Meteor, Groudon and Dialga without heavy Special Defense investment, if the latter isn’t heavily invested in Special Defense, will have to run the risk of being 2HKOed by a combination of Draco Meteor followed by Outrage. After Stealth Rock, Draco Meteor also has the power to smash through and OHKO some Dragons, namely Palkia and Rayquaza, without having to lock itself into Outrage.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Ferrothorn is a surefire counter to this set in every possible way. It has monstrous defenses and its typing allows it to resist all of Kingdra's STAB attacks. Furthermore, Ferrothorn can easily set up on Kingdra with Spikes, cripple Kingdra with Thunder Wave (though Kingdra will still move first because of Ferrothorn's lackluster Speed), sap its health via Leech Seed, or smack Kingdra with its STAB Power Whip. Because of the fact that Kingdra should only be used with rain on the field, Fire-type attacks will have less of an effect on Ferrothorn. For that reason, Aura Sphere or Focus Blast users are great teammates. Dialga resists both of Ferrothorn's STABs, doesn't mind a Thunder Wave, and easily 2HKOes Ferrothorn with Aura Sphere. Mewtwo and Darkrai can OHKO Ferrothorn with Aura Sphere and Focus Blast, respectively, but they both need to be on the lookout for Thunder Wave. Choice Scarf Shaymin-S is another good teammate as it can attract Fire-type attacks which Kingdra has a 6x resist to in the rain (though but Kingdra should definitely take caution with be wary of switching into Ho-oh's Sacred Fire and its high burn chance).</p>

<p>The EVs on this set will allow Kingdra to outspeed all variants of Choice Scarf Shaymin-S while still allowing Kingdra to OHKO said Shaymin-S with Draco Meteor after Stealth Rock. Because Lugia is a common switch-in to Kingdra, Tickle Wobbuffet works incredibly well alongside Kingdra is an invaluable teammate. With a Pursuit user like Scizor also on the team, all Lugia lacking Whirlwind don't even stand a chance of surviving. This can pave the way for a Kingdra sweep later on in the match, provided that Kingdra hasn't already sustained a lot of damage. Again, both Mewtwo and Darkrai are great partners, this time because they are quite adept at switching in and setting up on Lugia.</p>

[Set]
name: Uber Mixed Attacker
move 1: Surf / Hydro Pump
move 2: Waterfall
move 3: Outrage
move 4: Draco Meteor
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Mild / Rash
evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Despite the fact that Kingdra has less than base 100 in both of its attacking stats, it can still function as a very competent mixed sweeper. Because of Swift Swim and the infinite rain that Kyogre provides, Kingdra will also be a great revenge killer. With a neutral nature and maximum investment, Kingdra hits a dangerous 590 Speed, Kingdra easily outpaces easily outpacing the entire unboosted metagame. Surf is the preferred option over Hydro Pump because of Hydro Pump's imperfect accuracy, and Surf will still be doing plenty of damage after considering Hydro Pump's imperfect accuracy and Surf's more than sufficient boosted power under rain. Waterfall is Kingdra's physical STAB attack, and for good reason. It has a good chance of 2HKOing Blissey in the rain, and is guaranteed a 2HKO with Stealth Rock or one layer of Spikes. It will also always 2HKO Choice Band Tyranitar, a major threat to almost every Rain team. Outrage will do tons of damage to any Pokemon that does not have either huge physical defense or that does not resist Dragon a resistance to Dragon. Even without Dragon Dance to boost its Attack, Kingdra can still do a good amount of damage to most Pokemon. Finally, Draco Meteor is Kingdra's strongest attack, capable of OHKOing many Pokemon. There is a great chance that Kingdra will OHKO Choice Scarf Shaymin-S with Draco Meteor, something an achievement that can be guaranteed with the help of Stealth Rock. Darkrai is also OHKOed, but Surf will do more damage because of the double STAB that Kyogre's Drizzle provides.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Despite the sheer immediate power this Kingdra brings to the table, it still has no way of stopping Ferrothorn. And Furthermore, because Kyogre is an absolutely necessary partner to Kingdra in order for it to function properly, the rain Kyogre summons will only make taking out Ferrothorn harder. Shaymin-S has a powerful Air Slash which can flinch Ferrothorn to death, but should the move miss or fail to flinch, but if the move misses, or doesn't inlflict a flinch Shaymin-S will most likely be taking a Thunder Wave. Since this Kingdra has no method of attaining additional boosts outside of Baton Pass, it is easily countered outside of rain. Rayquaza, though unable to switch in on Kingdra's Outrage and Draco Meteor, can OHKO Kingdra with one of its own Dragon-type STABs. Choice Scarf Jirachi, for that reason, is an excellent choice for a teammate is an invaluable partner to deal with Rayquaza. Not only does it resist both of Rayquaza's STAB attacks and as well as Extremespeed, it KO's with and KO it with Ice Punch, but Jirachi can also outspeed and outspeeds all variants at +1 Speed, so it will not have to fear Earthquake or Fire Blast. If Choice Scarf Mewtwo is a concern, Wobbuffet can come in and revenge kill it with ease.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Besides the moves listed on its sets, Kingdra really doesn't have much to work with Kingdra really does not have much to work with outside of the moves listed on the above sets. It has access to Yawn, and in conjunction with Subsitute, is actually a great way of effectively using can smoothly allow Kingdra to setup a Dragon Dance. Unfortunately, it would limit Kingdra to a single attack: Outrage or Waterfall, with Groudon or Palkia walling it, respectively. It can run a pure special set, but Kyogre, Palkia, Latios, and many others can do this much better. However, a Choice Specs set can be used for surprise value, as a rain-boosted Hydro Pump is a 3HKO on Ferrothorn, factoring in Leftovers recovery.</p>

<p>Kingdra also gets Scald, but its power is inferior to both Surf and Hydro Pump, and Kingdra needs to inflict as much damage as possible while it is on the field. It can use a set consisting of Substitute and a pinch Berry, but the immediate power that Life Orb provides is generally better. Dragon Pulse can be used over Draco Meteor if accuracy is a concern, but the Dragon Dance set would require much more investment in Special Attack in order to reach the power that Draco Meteor has supply sufficient power. Ice Beam will 2HKO Groudon and OHKOes Shaymin-S without Stealth Rock, but Draco Meteor gets better neutral coverage. Toxic can be used to cripple walls that lack status-clearing moves, but Kingdra is geared more toward offense, not support. If Choice Scarf Shaymin-S is not a concern, 40 Speed EVs can be shifted to either Attack or Special Attack, while still allowing Kingdra to beat up to and including Choice Scarf Terrakion. If Terrakion is also not a concern, 40 more EVs can be removed so Kingdra will still outpace up to and including Choice Scarf Palkia.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Kingdra is one hard cookie to crack if rain is on the field. In the rain, Normal Arceus can sponge an unboosted Waterfall and 2HKO Kingdra with ExtremeSpeed. Groudon ends Kyogre's rain via Drought, which weakens weakens Kingdra's Water-type attacks, is almost never 2HKOed by a +1 Outrage if carrying Leftovers, and can paralyze Kingdra with Thunder Wave or KO it outright with Earthquake. Ferrothorn, though, is a complete counter to Kingdra, provided that it hasn't already used Dragon Dance three or more times. Ferrothorn can easily sap Kingdra's health with Leech Seed, then proceed to set up Spikes and/or Stealth Rock while Kingdra loses health because of to Life Orb recoil and Leech Seed each turn. In the rain, Ferrothorn becomes even more annoying since its Fire-type weakness is somewhat mitigated. Lugia is bulky enough to stave off Outrage, and can stall out Kingdra's health with Roost or Recover. and can It can also phaze away all of Kingdra's boosts courtesy of Whirlwind.</p>

<p>The best way to KO Kingdra is to take it out of its elementrain. Without the Speed boost, Kingdra becomes much easier to remove from the battle. Rayquaza's Air Lock does this well and Rayquaza can easily OHKO Kingdra with a Dragon-type attack. Outside of rain, Choice Scarf Shaymin-S outspeeds Kingdra and can flinch it to death with Air Slash, or go immediately for the jugular with Seed Flare or Leaf Storm after Stealth Rock or Life Orb recoil.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Kingdra gets Damp, a worthless ability that shouldn't even be considered.</p>




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[Overview]

<p>Though Kingdra is usually seen as a bulky boosting sweeper in OU, it can actually be quite the threat in Ubers. With Kyogre's Drizzle summoning infinite rain, Kingdra will frequently receive doubled Speed from Swift Swim. Its two STABs are great offensively, as they are only resisted by Empoleon, Shedinja, and Ferrothorn, with just only the latter being even remotely common in Ubers. Despite Kingdra's shallow movepool and the fact that it receiveding zero viable new moves in the new generation, its movepool has everything it needs.</p>

<p>However, Ubers is riddled with Dragon-types, so it might be hard for Kingdra to find a team slot. Most Dragon-types in Ubers have ridiculous attacking stats on both sides of the spectrum, while Kingdra only has Base 95 in both Attack and Special Attack. Even so, Kingdra's Speed is what gives it a distinct advantage over sets it apart from the other Ddragons. In addition, it has a resistance to Bullet Punch and a neutrality to Stealth Rock, two things that Rayquaza wisheds it had. The boost that Kyogre's Drizzle provides for Kingdra's Water-type also attacks also somewhat remedies Kingdra's middling Attack and Special Attack. Dragon Dance further improves Kingdra's Attack, and allows it to outspeed everything in Ubers. If you have a rain-centralized team, definitely consider Kingdra for a team slot.</p>

[Set]
name: Uber Dragon Dance
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Waterfall
move 3: Outrage
move 4: Draco Meteor / Yawn
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Lonely / Naughty
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Even in the fast-paced Ubers metagame, Kingdra won't have much trouble setting up a Dragon Dance. Although, at first glance, Kingdra might seem to be outclassed by Dragon Dance Rayquaza and its much higher attacking stats, Kingdra has some notable advantages over the green dragon. The first is Kingdra's superior typing, which leaves it with only one weakness in comparison to Rayquaza's three. Next is Kingdra's Speed with maximum EVs in the rain, allowing which can allow it to outspeed enemies as fast as Choice Scarf Shaymin-S even without any Dragon Dance boosts. After one Dragon Dance, Kingdra can effectively outspeed the entire Ubers metagame.</p>

<p>Waterfall should be Kingdra's primary attack, and with a boost from rain, it will become just as strong as its Outrage, the preferred attack in clear skies or other weather. The typing combination of Dragon and Water is almost unstoppable, with Ferrothorn being the only common Pokémon in Ubers resisting it. Because of Kingdra's blistering Speed, even before any boosts, it can also function as a competent revenge killer. Even though Kingdra will never be able to deal as much damage as Rayquaza can, the high base power and awesome coverage of its attacks ensure it add to create fearsome offensive abilities. Draco Meteor is just as important as Kingdra's physical attacks, since without it, Kingdra would have to rely on Outrage in order to KO Shaymin-S and other threats. With Draco Meteor, Kingdra can 2HKO Groudon and Dialga sets without heavy Special Defense investment will have to run the risk of being 2HKOed by with a combination of Draco Meteor followed by Outrage. After Stealth Rock, Draco Meteor also has the power to smash through and OHKO some Dragons, namely such as Palkia and Rayquaza, without having to lock itself into Outrage. Yawn is an interesting option over Draco Meteor, as it will allow Kingdra to more easily attain Dragon Dances, while still allowing Kingdra to have maximum coverage.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Ferrothorn is a surefire counter to this set in every possible way. It has monstrous defenses and its typing allows it to resist all of Kingdra's STAB attacks. Furthermore, Ferrothorn can easily set up on Kingdra with Spikes, cripple Kingdra with Thunder Wave (though Kingdra will still move first because of Ferrothorn's lackluster Speed), sap its health via Leech Seed, or smack Kingdra with its STAB Power Whip. Because Kingdra should only be used with rain on the field, Fire-type attacks will have less of an effect on Ferrothorn. For that reason, Aura Sphere or Focus Blast users are great teammates. Dialga resists both of Ferrothorn's STABs, doesn't mind a Thunder Wave, and easily 2HKOes Ferrothorn with Aura Sphere. Mewtwo and Darkrai can OHKO Ferrothorn with Aura Sphere and Focus Blast, respectively, but they both need to be on the lookout for Thunder Wave. Choice Scarf Shaymin-S is another good teammate as it can attract Fire-type attacks, to which Kingdra has a 6x resist to in the rain (though Kingdra should definitely be wary of switching into Ho-oh's Sacred Fire and because of its 50% chance of inflicting burn).</p>

<p>The EVs on this set will allow Kingdra to outspeed all variants of Choice Scarf Shaymin-S while still allowing Kingdra to OHKO said Shaymin-S with Draco Meteor after Stealth Rock. Because Lugia is a common switch-in to Kingdra, Tickle Wobbuffet is an invaluable teammate. With a Pursuit user like Scizor also on the team, all Lugia lacking Whirlwind don't even stand a chance of surviving. This can pave the way for a Kingdra sweep later on in the match, provided that Kingdra hasn't already sustained a lot of damage. Again, both Mewtwo and Darkrai are great partners, this time because they are quite adept at switching in and setting up on Lugia.</p>

[Set]
name: Uber Mixed Attacker
move 1: Surf / Hydro Pump
move 2: Waterfall
move 3: Outrage
move 4: Draco Meteor
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Mild / Rash
evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Despite the fact that Kingdra has less than base 100 in both of its attacking stats, it can still function as a very competent mixed sweeper. Because of Swift Swim and the infinite rain that Kyogre provides, Kingdra will also be a great revenge killer. With a neutral nature and maximum investment, Kingdra hits a dangerous 590 Speed, easily outpacing the entire unboosted all of the unboosted Pokemon in the metagame. Surf is the preferred option over Hydro Pump after considering Hydro Pump's imperfect accuracy and Surf's more than sufficient boosted power under rain. Waterfall is Kingdra's physical STAB attack, and for good reason. It has a good chance of 2HKOing Blissey in the rain, and is guaranteed a 2HKO with Stealth Rock or one layer of Spikes. It will also always 2HKO Choice Band Tyranitar You should mention that this includes the lack of rain if it does, a major threat to almost every Rain team. Outrage will do tons of damage to any Pokemon that does not have either huge physical defense or a resistance to Dragon-type attacks. Even without Dragon Dance to boost its Attack, Kingdra can still do a good amount of damage to most Pokemon. Finally, Draco Meteor is Kingdra's strongest attack, capable of OHKOing many Pokemon. There is a great chance that Kingdra will OHKO Choice Scarf Shaymin-S with Draco Meteor, and this is achievement that can be guaranteed with the help of Stealth Rock. Darkrai is also OHKOed by Draco Meteor, but Surf will also do more enough damage because of the double STAB that Kyogre's Drizzle provides.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Despite the sheer, immediate power this Kingdra brings to the table, it still has no way of stopping Ferrothorn. Furthermore, because Kyogre is an absolutely necessary partner to Kingdra in order for it to function properly, the rain Kyogre summons will only make taking out Ferrothorn harder. Shaymin-S has a powerful Air Slash which can flinch Ferrothorn to death, but should the move miss or fail to flinch, Shaymin-S will most likely be taking a Thunder Wave. Since this Kingdra has no method of attaining additional boosts outside of Baton Pass, it is easily countered outside of rain. Rayquaza, though unable to switch in on Kingdra's Outrage and Draco Meteor, can OHKO Kingdra with one of its own Dragon-type STABs. Choice Scarf Jirachi is an invaluable partner to deal with Rayquaza. Not only does it resist Rayquaza's STAB attacks and Extremespeed, but it also KO's with Ice Punch and outspeeds all variants at +1 Speed, so it will not have to fear Earthquake or Fire Blast. If Choice Scarf Mewtwo is a concern, Wobbuffet can come in and revenge kill it with ease.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Kingdra really does not have much to work with outside of the moves listed on the above sets. It has access to Yawn, and in conjunction with Subsitute, can smoothly allow Kingdra to setup a Dragon Dance or two. Unfortunately, it would limit Kingdra to a single attack: Outrage or Waterfall, with Groudon or Palkia walling it, respectively. It can run a pure special set, but Kyogre, Palkia, Latios, and many others can do this much better. However, a Choice Specs set can be used for surprise value, as a rain-boosted Hydro Pump is a 3HKO on Ferrothorn, factoring in Leftovers recovery.</p>

<p>Kingdra also gets Scald, but its power is inferior to both Surf and Hydro Pump, and Kingdra needs to inflict as much damage as possible while it is on the field. It can use a set consisting of Substitute and a pinch Berry, but the immediate power that Life Orb provides is generally better. Dragon Pulse can be used over Draco Meteor if accuracy is a concern, but the Dragon Dance set would require much more investment in Special Attack in order to supply sufficient power. Ice Beam will 2HKO Groudon and OHKOes Shaymin-S without Stealth Rock, but Draco Meteor gets better neutral coverage. Toxic can be used to cripple walls that lack status-clearing moves, but Kingdra is geared more toward offense, not support. If Choice Scarf Shaymin-S is not a concern, 40 Speed EVs can be shifted to either Attack or Special Attack, while still allowing Kingdra to beat up to and including Choice Scarf Terrakion. If Terrakion is also not a concern, 40 more EVs can be removed so Kingdra will still outpace threats up to and including Choice Scarf Palkia.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Kingdra is one hard cookie to crack if rain is on the field. In the rain, Normal Arceus can sponge an unboosted Waterfall and 2HKO Kingdra with ExtremeSpeed. Groudon ends Kyogre's rain via Drought, weakening Kingdra's Water-type attacks, is almost never 2HKOed by a +1 Outrage if carrying Leftovers, and can paralyze Kingdra with Thunder Wave or KO it outright with Earthquake. Ferrothorn, though, is a complete counter to Kingdra, provided that it hasn't already used Dragon Dance three or more times. Ferrothorn can easily sap Kingdra's health with Leech Seed, and then proceed to set up Spikes and / or Stealth Rock while Kingdra loses health to Life Orb recoil and Leech Seed each turn. In the rain, Ferrothorn becomes even more annoying since its Fire-type weakness is somewhat mitigated. Lugia is bulky enough to stave off Outrage, and can stall out Kingdra's health with Roost or Recover. It can also phaze away all of Kingdra's boosts courtesy of using Whirlwind.</p>

<p>The best way to KO Kingdra is to take it out of its element - rain. Without the Speed boost, Kingdra becomes much easier to remove from the battle. Rayquaza's Air Lock does this well and Rayquaza can easily OHKO Kingdra with a Dragon-type attack. Outside of rain, Choice Scarf Shaymin-S outspeeds Kingdra and can flinch it to death with Air Slash, or go immediately for the jugular with Seed Flare or Leaf Storm after Stealth Rock or Life Orb recoil.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Kingdra gets Damp, a worthless ability that shouldn't even be considered.</p>

Not much to change here.

GP: 2/2

 

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K there is some major spacing issues with the paragraphs, so I don't know what's up with that. Fix that please.

Also never use the phrase "both sides of the spectrum." Ete made us quit that quite a while ago. So in the second Overview paragraph:

Most Dragon-types in Ubers have ridiculous attacking stats on both sides of the spectrum

You can just delete it this time since the sentence will still make sense.
 
I know Shedinja may not be the best pokemon to use in Ubers, but I've seen it there, and I think it deserves a mention in Checks and Counters, since it walls you better than Ferrathorn. Scizor would be good teamate to have for it, or any other Pursuit user for that matter, so you can continue sweeping with him.
 

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