-
Welcome to Smogon! Take a moment to read the Introduction to Smogon for a run-down on everything Smogon, and make sure you take some time to read the global rules.
-
Congrats to the winners of the 2023 Smog Awards!
Project Lure That Threat (Week 15: Uxie)
- Thread starter feen
- Start date
- Status
Okay voting's over, MrAldo wins via voting. Other winners are DTC and Chakra. I would have chosen Zelfie's Virizion, but as DTC says, Zen Headbutt is more common nowadays.
This week's threat is...
Seismitoad @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Scald
- Earth Power
- Toxic / Sludge Wave
Deadline is at 1st May
Do your reservations within 48 hours or they can be taken.
This week's threat is...
Seismitoad @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Scald
- Earth Power
- Toxic / Sludge Wave
Deadline is at 1st May
Do your reservations within 48 hours or they can be taken.
Bronzong @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Grass Knot
- Flash Cannon
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
4 SpA Bronzong Grass Knot (80 BP) vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Seismitoad: 240-284 (58.1 - 68.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Seismitoad is considered a relatively safe switch in for zong and if this mon is considered threatening for your team (as you are lacking a grass type mon) or want fletch to sweep in the future you can run grass knot. Grass knotting on the switch in 2hkos seismitoad and u can definitely ohko if it weakened to around 65. Flash cannon assists with fairies and toxic can be used for annoying bulky mons.
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Grass Knot
- Flash Cannon
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
4 SpA Bronzong Grass Knot (80 BP) vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Seismitoad: 240-284 (58.1 - 68.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Seismitoad is considered a relatively safe switch in for zong and if this mon is considered threatening for your team (as you are lacking a grass type mon) or want fletch to sweep in the future you can run grass knot. Grass knotting on the switch in 2hkos seismitoad and u can definitely ohko if it weakened to around 65. Flash cannon assists with fairies and toxic can be used for annoying bulky mons.
Last edited:
Arifeen told me to post here so...
Linoone @ Brightpowder / Starf Berry / Sitrus Berry
Ability: Gluttony / Pickup
EVs: 248 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SDef / 4 Spe
Careful Nature
-Substitute
-Belly Drum
-Extreme Speed
-Seed Bomb
The beauty of this set is that not only does it completely lure Seismitoed, but it can also immediately win the game for its user. Naturally, no one is going to switch out Seismitoed once a Linoone comes in, because no one wants to let Linoone Belly Drum for free. Seed Bomb also does not OHKO Seismitoed, so there is not a lot of risk for the Seismitoed player. Earth Power does not KO Linoone after a Belly Drum, so the Seismitoed user is guaranteed to use Scald or Toxic. This is where Substitute comes in. Not only does it block Toxic, but it also lets Linoone set up for free on Seismitoed without the risk of a burn due to the given investment.
0 SpA Seismitoad Scald vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Linoone: 73-87 (20.3 - 24.2%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
After setting up a Substitute, Linoone can proceed to Belly Drum, at which point both Seismitoed and the opposition's team will be left facing a behemoth. Needless to say, Seed Bomb OHKOs Seismitoed at +6. The Seismitoed user will be forced to stay in, as otherwise, Linoone will be able to get up a Substitute for free. In addition, there is also a chance that Earth Power will not break the Substitute, making this Pokemon even more effective.
0 SpA Seismitoad Earth Power vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Linoone: 84-99 (23.3 - 27.5%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
A Sitrus Berry can be used to restore Linoone's HP and potentially let it tank a weak hit after Belly Drumming; Pickup should be used if this item is chosen since Gluttony does not work with the Sitrus Berry. However, a Starf Berry is the preferred item on this set. For those who are unaware, the Starf Berry raises a random stat by two stages when its user is at 25% HP or less. Gluttony, however, makes this berry work at 50% or less, meaning Linoone will be able to reap its potential rewards after Belly Drumming. The main draw of this item is its potential to raise Linoone's evasion. Imagine facing a +6 Attack monster that also has a +2 Evasion boost; the game would end immediately. No other item is really necessary, so because of this, Starf Berry is the preferred option due to its ability to potentially end a game by itself. The chance to raise defenses or Speed might occasionally prove useful as well. So there you have it, a lure that not only eliminates Seismitoed, but can single-handedly win games as well.
Linoone @ Brightpowder / Starf Berry / Sitrus Berry
Ability: Gluttony / Pickup
EVs: 248 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SDef / 4 Spe
Careful Nature
-Substitute
-Belly Drum
-Extreme Speed
-Seed Bomb
The beauty of this set is that not only does it completely lure Seismitoed, but it can also immediately win the game for its user. Naturally, no one is going to switch out Seismitoed once a Linoone comes in, because no one wants to let Linoone Belly Drum for free. Seed Bomb also does not OHKO Seismitoed, so there is not a lot of risk for the Seismitoed player. Earth Power does not KO Linoone after a Belly Drum, so the Seismitoed user is guaranteed to use Scald or Toxic. This is where Substitute comes in. Not only does it block Toxic, but it also lets Linoone set up for free on Seismitoed without the risk of a burn due to the given investment.
0 SpA Seismitoad Scald vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Linoone: 73-87 (20.3 - 24.2%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
After setting up a Substitute, Linoone can proceed to Belly Drum, at which point both Seismitoed and the opposition's team will be left facing a behemoth. Needless to say, Seed Bomb OHKOs Seismitoed at +6. The Seismitoed user will be forced to stay in, as otherwise, Linoone will be able to get up a Substitute for free. In addition, there is also a chance that Earth Power will not break the Substitute, making this Pokemon even more effective.
0 SpA Seismitoad Earth Power vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Linoone: 84-99 (23.3 - 27.5%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
A Sitrus Berry can be used to restore Linoone's HP and potentially let it tank a weak hit after Belly Drumming; Pickup should be used if this item is chosen since Gluttony does not work with the Sitrus Berry. However, a Starf Berry is the preferred item on this set. For those who are unaware, the Starf Berry raises a random stat by two stages when its user is at 25% HP or less. Gluttony, however, makes this berry work at 50% or less, meaning Linoone will be able to reap its potential rewards after Belly Drumming. The main draw of this item is its potential to raise Linoone's evasion. Imagine facing a +6 Attack monster that also has a +2 Evasion boost; the game would end immediately. No other item is really necessary, so because of this, Starf Berry is the preferred option due to its ability to potentially end a game by itself. The chance to raise defenses or Speed might occasionally prove useful as well. So there you have it, a lure that not only eliminates Seismitoed, but can single-handedly win games as well.
Last edited:
Well tsunami's set is probably gonna win anyway but...
Manectric @ Life Orb
Ability: Lightning Rod
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Overheat
So, basically, this could be jolteon as well. anyway, the goal is to catch seismi on the switch with HP grass, crippling it for the rest of the match by doing like 90%. not much else to say besides that this will never be as fire as specially defensive linoone.
Manectric @ Life Orb
Ability: Lightning Rod
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Overheat
So, basically, this could be jolteon as well. anyway, the goal is to catch seismi on the switch with HP grass, crippling it for the rest of the match by doing like 90%. not much else to say besides that this will never be as fire as specially defensive linoone.
252 SpA Life Orb Manectric Hidden Power Grass vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Seismitoad: 369-437 (89.3 - 105.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
This is my nomination:
Slowking Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 hp/ 252 spa
Moves:
-Scald
-Psyshock
-Grass knot
-Slack off
Seismitoad likes switching in on water moves and doesn't mind psyshock all that much. However, with grass knot, things become different. Nearly OHKO'ing with the spread that was suggested. This can also help with blastoise.
Slowking Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 hp/ 252 spa
Moves:
-Scald
-Psyshock
-Grass knot
-Slack off
Seismitoad likes switching in on water moves and doesn't mind psyshock all that much. However, with grass knot, things become different. Nearly OHKO'ing with the spread that was suggested. This can also help with blastoise.
Emboar @ Expert Belt
Ability: Reckless
EVs: 224 Atk / 32 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Superpower
- Sucker Punch
- Grass Knot
32 SpA Expert Belt Emboar Grass Knot (80 BP) vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Seismitoad: 360-427 (87.1 - 103.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes
Any move bar Sucker Punch into Grass Knot kills. Even if it comes in on a sucker punch, Grass Knot cripples it for the rest of the match.
I can't make something more cash than specially defensive BD Linoone. Sorry, guys.
Garbodor @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Aftermath
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Atk / 136 Def / 44 Spe
Impish Nature
- Gunk Shot
- Seed Bomb
- Toxic Spikes/Drain Punch/filler
- Spikes
Toad sets up rocks and spams scalds + toxics for free vs the standard garbodor (which I suppose is drain punch + two hazards) all day, then seed bomb and the attack evs are meant to bop it for a nice 2HKO on the switch or after it puts up rocks not expecting you to stay in. Garb doesn't miss dpunch that much considering it does close to nothing to most steels and gunk covers a lot of the stuff drain punch was supposed to hit anyways (but yh you can mess around w/ fillers between the dual hazards)
that spdef linoone is rly interesting oo
k we got TTFTW's Seed Bomb Garbodor, Drangonn.'s Grass Knot Emboar, chobby's Grass Knot Slowking, Thatwackycruton's HP Grass Manectric, -Tsunami-'s legendary Linoone, and Chakra's Grass Knot Bronzong
Voting ends May 3rd
Voting ends May 3rd
Wandering Wobbuffet
formerly Based Honker
drangonn
Drangonn
As much as Tsunami's nom was absolute fire, I can't see myself using that on a squad I'd use in Ladder or Tour play.
As much as Tsunami's nom was absolute fire, I can't see myself using that on a squad I'd use in Ladder or Tour play.
Take Azelfie
More flags more fun
Lord Tsunami
chobby
Threw
cohiba
drangonn
heavy slam wild charge emboar is better :]
heavy slam wild charge emboar is better :]
Okay voting ends, Drangonn. is the winner. Other winners are Chakra and -Tsunami- heat.
Now for the next week, here's a threat that's really overlooked in most builds:
Malamar @ Leftovers
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 HP / 104 SpD / 152 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Superpower
- Knock Off
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Voting ends on May 11th!
Now for the next week, here's a threat that's really overlooked in most builds:
Malamar @ Leftovers
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 HP / 104 SpD / 152 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Superpower
- Knock Off
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Voting ends on May 11th!
- Status