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Mamoswine (Analysis)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by NatGeo, Apr 28, 2011.

  1. NatGeo

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    Taking over from sax king.

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    Mamoswine


    [Overview]

    <p>The generation shift seemingly gave Ice-types the short end of the stick, especially with the introduction of several new effective playstyles to the metagame that rip them to shreds. As a result, you'd be hard-pressed to find an Ice-type that works effectively in OU. Fortunately, Mamoswine is one of the few Ice-types that is successful in OU, with an immunity to both hail and sandstorm playing in its favor. It also helps that, unlike most of its other Ice-type brethren, it lacks a weakness to Stealth Rock, allowing it to switch in much more often.</p>

    <p>Mamoswine is a unique Pokemon in that it is one of the few viable users of Ice Shard, giving it a niche as a revenge killer of Dragon- and Ground-type Pokemon, such as Dragonite and Salamence, thanks to its beastly base 130 Attack. In addition, Mamoswine gained the move Icicle Crash during the generation shift, finally giving a great reliable physical STAB Ice-type move. Unfortunately, it can be taken down somewhat easily by faster Pokemon with super effective STAB attacks, such as Lucario and Starmie. Despite these few misgivings, Mamoswine is worthy of a teamslot and should always be considered when making a team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Physical Attacker
    move 1: Ice Shard
    move 2: Icicle Crash
    move 3: Earthquake
    move 4: Stone Edge
    item: Life Orb / Choice Band
    ability: Snow Cloak
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs.: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Due to its base 130 Attack and potent STAB combination, Mamoswine can work as an effective physical attacker with strong STAB moves and priority. Icicle Crash and Earthquake are its strongest STAB moves, hitting many important Pokemon, such as Salamence and Virizion, for super effective or neutral damage. Mamoswine makes great use of Ice Shard, which separates it from many other physical attackers. With Ice Shard, Mamoswine can cleanly revenge kill several of the most prominent Pokemon in the game, including but not limited to Breloom, Thundurus, Latios, and many others.</p>

    <p>Mamoswine can make use of several other physical moves on this set as well. Earthquake is an excellent STAB move, hitting many Pokemon harder than its other STAB moves can. Stone Edge in tandem with Earthquake creates an excellent combo that hits even more Pokemon for neutral or super effective damage.</p>

    <p>The EVs for this set are nearly self-explanatory: maximum Attack and Speed EVs allow Mamoswine to hit as hard and as fast as possible, while the remaining 4 EVs go into HP to slightly increase its bulk. Snow Cloak is also beneficial on the off chance hail is on the field, reducing the accuracy of the opposing Pokemon to 80% and giving Mamoswine a sort of cover as it fires off powerful attacks.</p>


    [ADDITIONAL OPTIONS]

    <p>Life Orb is generally the superior choice to Choice Band, as it gives a decent power boost while still allowing Mamoswine to switch between attacks. However. Choice Band is an option for giving Mamoswine more of a boost, although it will have to stick to one attack for the duration of its time on the field. Rock Slide is also an option over Stone Edge, trading power for accuracy and a chance to flinch. However, Rock Slide will not OHKO Gyarados after Stealth Rock damage, while Stone Edge will. Superpower is also an option, though it should generally only be used with a Choice Band, as Mamoswine will otherwise dislike the stat drops. If you opt to use Superpower, keep in mind that it is illegal with Icicle Crash. A Jolly nature can be used to outspeed threats such as Heatran and Breloom, though Adamant is generally preferred as Mamoswine needs as much power as possible, and Ice Shard hits many of the Pokemon that outspeed Mamoswine hard.</p>

    <p>As this set is generally designed to be a wallbreaker, sweepers benefit from Mamoswine's presence. Heatran is an excellent example, providing decent type synergy with Mamoswine and taking care of Bronzong, which resists every move on this set. Mamoswine, in return, can easily take care of special walls that stand in Heatran's way, such as Blissey. Gyarados also has decent synergy with Mamoswine, and can set up on Pokemon that Mamoswine tends to bring out, and vice versa.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Icicle Spear / Icicle Crash
    move 2: Superpower
    move 3: Earthquake
    move 4: Stone Edge
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Snow Cloak
    natue: Adamant / Jolly
    evs.: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    <p>While Mamoswine is normally meant to be a powerful wallbreaker, it becomes an effective revenge killer with a Choice Scarf equipped, outspeeding everything up to Pokemon with base 130 Speed with a Jolly nature and max Speed. However, it still retains an astounding amount of power, allowing it to stay on the field for extended amounts of time if need be.</p>

    <p>Icicle Spear seems at first to be an odd choice, but on this set, it has superiority over Icicle Crash. On average, it has at the least 10 Base Power less than Icicle Crash, while retaining perfect accuracy. At the same time, it breaks through type-resist berries, Focus Sash, Multiscale, and Substitute among other things, often giving it a greater damage output than Icicle Crash. Superpower correlates with this set's hit-and-run strategy, as it hits hard on the first turn and encourages you to switch out after using it. Earthquake is Mamoswine's other STAB move, hitting extremely hard off of its base 130 Attack, and when used in tandem with Stone Edge, the two provide excellent neutral coverage.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Ice Shard can be used over Stone Edge for an extra priority move, though it is not really necessary, and its low Base Power often make it a poor choice on this set. On another note, Adamant is generally used over Jolly on this set, as Mamoswine does not need the extra Speed, though it needs all the power it can get. However, Jolly allows it to outspeed Choice Scarf Heatran and Pokemon with base 130 Speed. If Icicle Crash is used of Icicle Spear, make sure to use something in place of Superpower, as the combination of the two is illegal. Double Edge is the best option in that case, hitting bulky Water-types like Rotom-W harder than other moves on this set.</p>

    <p>A mixed Choice Scarf set is also somewhat viable if used on a hail team. With a usable base 70 Special Attack, Mamoswine can abuse a 100% accurate Blizzard, hitting a few of Mamoswine's normal counters hard. On the subject of hail teams, Abomasnow is also a decent offensive partner, taking care of Water-types that can counter Mamoswine effectively with Wood Hammer. Abomasnow's hail also activates Mamoswine's Snow Cloak, which reduces the opposing Pokemon's attacks to 80% accuracy.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Stealth Rock
    move 1: Ice Shard
    move 2: Endeavor
    move 3: Earthquake
    move 4: Stealth Rock
    item: Focus Sash
    ability: Snow Cloak
    Natue: Adamant
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Endeavor is generally not used competitively, Mamoswine makes an excellent user of the move, as it is immune to both sandstorm and hail, which break the Focus Sashes of other Pokemon. At the same time it has a great priority move in Ice Shard, allowing it to finish off opponents worn down with Endeavor. Coincidentally, Mamoswine is also basically guaranteed to set up Stealth Rock if at full HP, regardless of the matchup.</p>

    <p>Ice Shard and Endeavor form the basis of this set, allowing Mamoswine to take down any Pokemon who would normally OHKO it. However, if you are facing a defensive Pokemon, Mamoswine can set up Stealth Rock and proceed to hit hard with STAB Earthquake, lashing out with its colossal Attack. If Earthquake is of no use, Ice Shard is perfectly usable. Endeavor is as well, though it is by far more situational.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs for this set are, again, nearly self-explanatory. Max Attack and Speed EVs allow Mamoswine to hit as hard and fast as possible when not using Endeavor. The boost in Speed also allows it to get the jump on slower Pokemon so it can set up Stealth Rock. Adamant nature is used over Jolly so Mamoswine can hit as hard as possible with Earthquake and Ice Shard.</p>

    <p>Mamoswine tends to attract Fake Out users, the most common of which are generally Mienshao and Infernape. This will break its Focus Sash and, more often than not, allow the faster opponent to obliterate Mamoswine before it can do anything. Thus, it is wise to keep a sturdy Ghost-type, such as Eviolite Dusclops or Jellicent, in the wings to absorb any attacks from a Fake Out user. Having a Ghost-type serves another purpose as well: if Mamoswine sets up Stealth Rock successfully, Ghost-types are handy spinblockers, allowing other Pokemon on your team to nab KOs easier with Stealth Rock on the field.</p>

    <p>If you opt to use this set mid-game, Life Orb is an option over Focus Sash. Icicle Crash may also be used over Earthquake as an alternative STAB, 2HKOing Hippowdon and hitting many Pokemon harder than Ice Shard, such as Dragonite and Whimsicott, in exchange for Eartquake's greater power.</p>

    [OTHER OPTIONS]

    <p>Mamoswine has the capability to run many other sets thanks to its decent movepool and nice stats around the board. Due to Mamoswine's respectable defenses, a bulkier set can be used, placing EVs that would normally go into Attack or Speed into its defenses. Bite is Mamoswine's only option to hit Ghost- and Psychic-types for super effective damage, though other moves may hit the aforementioned types harder. Superpower may be used wherever not explicitly stated, though those sets may not necessarily welcome the stat drops that come with using the move. Substitute can also be used, as Mamoswine can cleanly 2HKO its counters. An Expert Belt can be used on the Physical Attacker set to bluff a Choice Band while maintaining a near-identical damage output if Mamoswine can hit for super effective damage. Due to its base 70 Special Attack, Mamoswine can run a fairly effective mixed set, using Earth Power, Ancientpower, and Ice Beam. Mamoswine can also play an interesting role on a hail team, effectively abusing Snow Cloak and a 100% accurate Blizzard.</p>

    [CHECKS AND COUNTERS]

    <p>Steel-types can be tough on Mamoswine, hitting it for super effective damage and having the ability to come in on one of its STAB moves. Scizor smashes Mamoswine with Bullet Punch, while Jirachi nails it with Iron Head. Gyarados can set up on Mamoswine using the Attack drop from Intimidate to force Mamoswine out, allowing it to set up a Dragon Dance. Any Pokemon with above average Defense and defensive typing should, in theory, be able to stop Mamoswine in its tracks if it is locked into a move with Choice Band or Choice Scarf. Ferrothorn and Bronzong are excellent examples of this, both having immense base Defense and the ability to KO Mamoswine with their STAB moves. Water-types are also great counters to Mamoswine, as they resist its Ice-type attacks and hit it for super efffective damage.</p>

    [DREAM WORLD]

    <p>While Mamoswine's Dream World ability, Thick Fat, has already been released, it isn't really much of a boost, as Mamoswine with Thick Fat cannot have any 4th generation tutor moves or egg moves, as it is currently only available through a male Mamoswine; most of the moves it uses competitively will not be available in this case. While Thick Fat allows Mamoswine to resist the infamous combination of Thunderbolt and Ice Beam, Snow Cloak is not a bad ability at all. In general, you should be using Snow Cloak over Thick Fat in most, if not all, situations.</p>
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    thick fat is illegal with ice shard as of now b/c ice shard is a prevo move and u get thick fat mamo at level 34 male. so snow cloak/ other ability is better in almost all cases as of now


    EDIT @RIOT X: he just took this over form sax king who has obviously not edited it from after the game was released. read the top, natgeo will be updating this analysis by saturday hopefullly
  3. RioT X

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    I hate how people can't give the correct name of a pokemon or move. Icicle drop? Come on, this game has been out for nearly 2 months.
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    Um, I don't breed much anymore, but can't DW abilites be breed in the Personality values.
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    no from what i heard the mother has to have the dream world ability for it to be passed on....so ya xD
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    In the Dream World section you mention Thick Fat allowing it to take a hit from the likes of Chandelure and Volcarona and KO in return; This is a stretch I think. Calcs or it didn't happen.
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    life orb before choice band and this is good to go

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    Like I told you on IRC, this looks good.

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    Dream World Mamoswine has only been released as a male, meaning that Thick Fat is incompatible with Icicle Crash (egg move) and Ice Shard (Swinub-exclusive attack). This ability on the first set needs to be Snow Cloak until female Mamoswine is released.
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    Aight, time to revamp the writeup!

    Should be done by Saturday.
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    Scarf? Seems bizarre, but it works pretty well.
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    <&SevenDeadlySins> i'd be okay with it i guess
    <&wilson46> it's fine
    <&blue> go for it, lol
    <+NatGeo> thanks for the approvals guys!

    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Icicle Spear / Icicle Crash
    move 2: Superpower
    move 3: Earthquake
    move 4: Stone Edge
    Item: Choice Scarf
    Ability: Snow Cloak
    Natue: Adamant
    EVs.: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
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    i think you mean teamslot in the last sentence of overview.

    also for the scarf set, stress that if you run adamant u fail to outspeed base 130s and scarftran (all scarftrans are timid right?)
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    Added changes, and written up Choice scarf set. Making progress in the writeup.
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    Writeup is finished.
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    [Overview]

    <p>During the generation shift, Ice-types still seem to be given the short end of the stick, especially with the introduction of new effective playstyles to the metagame that rip Ice-types to shreds. As a result, you'll be hard-pressed to find an Ice-type that works effectively in OU. Fortunately, Mamoswine is one of the few that Ice-types that works in OU, with immunity to both hail and sandstorm playing in its favor. It also helps that, unlike most of its other Ice-type brethren, it lacks a weakness to Stealth Rock, allowing it to come switch in much more often.</p>

    <p>Mamoswine is a unique Pokemon in that it is one of the few viable users of Ice Shard, giving it a niche as a revenge killer of Dragon- and Ground-type Pokemon, such as Garchomp and Salamence, with its base 130 Attack. In addition, it has gained the move Icicle Crash during the generation shift, giving a great reliable STAB move. Unfortunately, it can be taken down somewhat easily by faster Pokemon with super effective STAB attacks, like such as Lucario and Starmie. It also faces competition as a revenge killer from Weavile. However, despite these few misgivings, Mamoswine is worthy of a teamslot and should be considered when making a team.</p>

    [SET]

    name: Physical Attacker
    move 1: Ice Shard
    move 2: Icicle Crash
    move 3: Earthquake
    move 4: Stone Edge
    Item: Life Orb / Choice Band
    Ability: Snow Cloak
    Nature: Adamant / Jolly
    EVs.: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Mamoswine, with its base 130 Attack and potent STAB combination, can work as an effective physical attacker, with strong STAB moves and priority. Icicle Crash and Earthquake are its strongest STAB moves, hitting many important Pokemon for super effective or neutral damage, like Garchomp and Virizion. Mamoswine makes great use of Ice Shard, which really separates this it from many other physical attackers, as it is very powerful coming off of its huge Attack. With Ice Shard, it can cleanly revenge kill several of the most prominent Pokemon in the game, including but not limited to Breloom, Thundurus, Latios, and many others.</p>

    <p>Mamoswine can make use of several other physical moves on this set as well. Earthquake is an excellent STAB move, hitting many Pokemon harder than its other STAB moves, Ice Shard and Icicle Crash. Stone Edge in tandem with Earthquake creates an excellent combo that hits even more Pokemon for neutral or super effective damage.</p>

    <p>The EVs for this set are nearly self-explanatory: Maximum Attack and Speed EVs allow Mamoswine to hit as hard as possible and as fast as possible, while the remaining 4 EVs go into HP to slightly increase its bulk. Snow Cloak is also beneficial on the off chance hail is on the field, reducing the accuracy of the opponent to 80% and giving Mamoswine a sort of cover as it fires off powerful attacks.</p>


    [ADDITIONAL OPTIONS]

    <p> Life Orb is generally the superior choice to Choice Band, as it still gives a decent power boost while still allowing Mamoswine to switch between attacks. However. Choice Band is an option for giving Mamoswine more of a boost, although it while have to stick to one attack for the duration of its time on the field. Rock Slide is also an option over Stone Edge, trading power for accuracy and a chance to flinch. However, Rock Slide will not OHKO Gyarados after Stealth Rock Damage like Stone Edge will. Superpower is also an option, though it should generally only be used with a Choice Band, as it Mamoswine will otherwise dislike the stat drops. Superpower is also illegal with Icicle Crash. A Jolly nature can be used to outspeed threats such as Heatran and Breloom, though in general Adamant is preferred as Mamoswine needs as much power as possible, and Ice Shard hits many of the Pokemon that outspeed Mamoswine hard.</p>

    <p>As this set is generally designed to be a wallbreaker, sweepers benefit from Mamoswine's presence. Heatran is an excellent example, providing decent type synergy with Mamoswine and taking care of Bronzong, which resists every move on this set. Mamoswine, in return, can easily take care of special walls that stand in Heatran's way, such as Blissey. Gyarados also has decent synergy with Mamoswine, and can set up on Pokemon that Mamoswine tends to bring out, and vice versa.</p>

    [SET]

    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Icicle Spear / Icicle Crash
    move 2: Superpower
    move 3: Earthquake
    move 4: Stone Edge
    Item: Choice Scarf
    Ability: Snow Cloak
    Natue: Adamant / Jolly
    EVs.: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    <p>While Mamoswine is normally meant to be a powerful wallbreaker, it becomes an effective revenge killer with a Choice Scarf equipped and base 80 Speed, outspeeding everything up to Pokemon with Base 130 Speed with a Jolly nature and max Speed. However, it still retains an astounding amount of power, allowing it to stay on the field for extended amounts of time if need be.</p>

    <p>Icicle Spear seems at first to be an odd choice, but on this set, it has superiority over Icicle Crash. On average, it has at the least 10 Base Power less than Icicle Crash, while retaining perfect accuracy. At the same time, it breaks through resistor type-resist berries, Focus Sash, Multiscale, and Substitute among other things, often giving it a greater damage output than Icicle Crash. Superpower correlates with this set's hit-and-run strategy, as it hits hard on the first turn and encourages you to switch out after use. Earthquake is Mamoswine's other STAB move, hitting as hard as ever off of its base 130 Attack, and when used in tandem with Stone Edge, the two provide excellent neutral coverage.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Ice Shard can be used over Stone Edge for an extra priority move, though it is not really necessary. It also creates a detrimental power drop. On another note, Adamant is generally used over Jolly on this set as Mamoswine does not need the extra Speed, though it needs all the power it can get its tusks on. However, with Jolly, it outspeeds Choice Scarf Heatran and Pokemon with base 130 Speed.</p>

    <p>A (remove space) mixed Choice Scarf set is also somewhat viable if being used on a hail team. With a usable base 70 Special Attack, Mamoswine can abuse a perfect accuracy 100% accurate Blizzard, hitting a few of Mamoswine's normal counters hard. On the subject of hail teams, Abomasnow is also a decent offensive partner, taking care of Water-types that can counter Mamoswine effectively with Wood Hammer. Abomasnow's hail also activates Mamoswine's Snow Cloak, giving it a small form of defense against most moves, which are reduced to 80% accuracy.</p>

    [SET]

    name: Stealth Rock
    move 1: Ice Shard
    move 2: Endeavor
    move 3: Earthquake
    move 4: Stealth Rock
    Item: Focus Sash
    Ability: Snow Cloak
    Natue: Adamant
    EVs.: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Endeavor is in general frowned upon competitively, Mamoswine makes an excellent user of the move, as it is immune to both sandstorm and hail which break the Focus Sashes of other Pokemon. At the same time, it has a great priority move in Ice Shard, allowing it to finish off opponents worn down with Endeavor. Coincidentally, Mamoswine is also basically guaranteed to put down Stealth Rock on the field if at full HP, regardless of the matchup.</p>

    <p>Ice Shard and Endeavor form the basis of this set, allowing to take down any Pokemon who would normally OHKO Mamoswine. However, if you are facing a defensive Pokemon, Mamoswine can set up Stealth Rock and proceed to hit hard with STAB Earthquake, lashing out with its colossal base Attack. If Earthquake is of no use, Ice Shard is perfectly usable. Endeavor is as well, though it is more situational by far.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs for this set are, again, nearly self-explanatory. Max Attack and Speed EVs allow it to hit as hard and fast as possible when not using Endeavor. The boost in Speed also allows it to get the jump on slower Pokemon so it can set up Stealth Rock. Adamant nature is used here over Jolly so that it can hit as hard as possible with Earthquake and Ice Shard.</p>

    <p>Mamoswine tends to attract Fake Out users, the most common of which are generally Mienshao and Infernape. This will break its Focus Sash and, more often than not, allow the faster opponent to obliterate Mamoswine before it can do anything. Thus, it is wise to keep a sturdy Ghost-type in the wings to absorb any attacks from a Fake Out user, such as Eviolite Dusclops and Jellicent. Having a Ghost-type serves another purpose as well: if Mamoswine sets up Stealth Rock successfully, Ghost-types are handy spinblockers, allowing other Pokemon on your team to nab KOs easier with Stealth Rock on the field.</p>

    <p>If you opt to use this set midgame, Life Orb is an option over Focus Sash. Icicle Crash may also be used over Earthquake as an alternative STAB, 2HKOing Hippowdon and hitting many Pokemon harder than Ice Shard, like such as Dragonite and Whimsicott, in exchange for Eartquake's greater power.</p>

    [OTHER OPTIONS]

    <p>Mamoswine has the capability to run many other sets with its decent movepool and nice stats around the board. Bite is Mamoswine's only option to hit Ghost- and Psychic-types for super effective damage, though other moves may hit the said Pokemon harder. Superpower may be used wherever not explicitly stated, though those sets may not necessarily welcome the stat drops whenever Superpower is used. Substitute can also be used, as Mamoswine can cleanly 2HKO its counters. An Expert Belt can be used on the Physical Attacker set to bluff a Choice Band while maintaining a near-identical damage output if Mamoswine can hit for super effective damage. With a base 70 Special Attack, Mamoswine can run a fairly effective mixed set, using Earth Power, Ancientpower, and Ice Beam. Mamoswine has an can also play an interesting role on a hail team, effectively abusing Snow Cloak and a 100% accuracy Blizzard.</p>

    [CHECKS AND COUNTERS]

    <p>Steel-types can be tough on Mamoswine, hitting it for super effective damage and having the ability to come in on one of its STAB moves. Scizor smashes Mamoswine with Bullet Punch, while Jirachi puts it in the same situation, replacing Bullet Punch with Iron Head. Gyarados can set up on Mamoswine, using the Attack drop from Intimidate to force Mamoswine out, allowing it to set up a Dragon Dance. Any Pokemon with above average Defense and defensive typing should, in theory, be able to stop Mamoswine in its tracks if it is locked on to into a move with Choice Band or Choice Scarf. Ferrothorn and Bronzong are excellent examples of this, both having immense base Defense and the ability to KO Mamoswine with their STAB moves. Water-types are also great counters to Mamoswine, as they resist its STAB Ice-type attacks, and hit it for super efffective damage.</p>

    [DREAM WORLD]

    <p>While Mamoswine with Thick Fat has already been released, it isn't really much of a boost as Mamoswine with Thick Fat cannot have any 4th generation tutor moves or egg moves, meaning most of the moves it uses competitively will not be available. While this allows Mamoswine to resist the infamous combination of Thunderbolt and Ice Beam, Snow Cloak is not a bad ability at all. In general, you should be using Snow Cloak over Thick Fat in most, if not all, situations.</p>


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    water of course doesn't resist ground..
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    [Overview]

    <p>During The generation shift seemingly gave Ice-types the short end of the stick this time around, especially with the introduction of several new effective playstyles to the metagame that rip them to shreds. As a result, you'd be hard-pressed to find an Ice-type that works effectively in OU. Fortunately, (comma) Mamoswine is one of the few Ice-types that does work, with an immunity to both hail and sandstorm playing nicely into its favor. It also helps that, (comma) unlike most of its other Ice-type brethren, (comma) it lacks a weakness to Stealth Rock, allowing it to switch in much more often.</p>

    <p>Mamoswine is a unique Pokemon in that it is one of the few viable users of Ice Shard, giving it a niche as a revenge killer of Dragon- and Ground-type Pokemon, such as Garchomp and Salamence, thanks to its beastly base 130 Attack. In addition, it has gained the move Icicle Crash during the generation shift, finally giving it a great reliable physical STAB Ice-type move. Unfortunately, Mamoswine can be taken down somewhat easily by faster Pokemon with super effective STAB attacks, such as Lucario and Starmie. It also faces competition as a specialized Dragon revenge killer from Weavile. However, Despite these few misgivings, however, Mamoswine is still worthy of a teamslot and should be always considered when making a team.</p>

    [SET]
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    name: Physical Attacker
    move 1: Ice Shard
    move 2: Icicle Crash
    move 3: Earthquake
    move 4: Stone Edge
    item: Life Orb / Choice Band
    ability: Snow Cloak
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs. (remove period): 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    (lowercase the next set this way too...)
  21. cosmicexplorer

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    Why is Icicle Spear superior to Icicle Crash on the Choice Scarf set, but not on the Physical Attacker set?
  22. TheLD

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    Could Defense or HP EVs be a viable option over Speed in some cases? Extra bulk and survivability is important to Mamoswine, and aside from Chandelure, I'm not sure of any poke off the top of my head that it'd need/be able to outspeed. Priority Ice Shard also helps.

    Also, Stealth Rock doesn't seem all too useful on the Stealth Rock set. If it's mainly centered around Endeavor and Focus Sash, there wouldn't be enough time to set up Stealth Rock against counters. Endeavor would have to be used near immediately to get its full effect.

    (Sorry if these are flawed arguments, I'm a bit new to the competitive scene.)
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    Ppretty much any Fighting type with priority lays big hurt down on Mamo, Defesne EVs or not, and to be honest, oneof the main selling point of the Focus Sash set is that it reliably gets down Stealth Rock.
  24. Nokocchi

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    Aren't Icicle Crash and Superpower Incompatible? If so, shouldn't something be slashed over Superpower on the Scarf set for when you use Icicle Crash?

    Also, would Thick fat be better on the sets you listed that don't have 4th Gen only moves? Like the physical sweeping set with Ice Shard/Icicle Crash/Earthquake/Stone Edge?

    I'm not too experienced with Competitive battling, I'm just curious.
  25. steviestar

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    Thick Fat is completely useless as it prevents you from using egg moves too. That means no Ice Shard.

    Also I've been trying the choice scarf set out and I'm not really feeling the results. Icicle Spear is just too unreliable for good damage but if I were to switch it out for Icicle Crash I would have to give up Superpower for something else. I think Life Orb/Choice Band is overall a better set because Ice Shard solves some of your speed problems anyway.

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