Laxpras
One small yeet for man, one giant yeet for mankind
Why you should get reqs & vote (or change your vote) Do Not Ban on Skymin
I'll be getting reqs and voting soon enough but I'm hoping to try to show why I think Skymin has gotten an unwarranted knee-jerk reaction that has people calling for a ban which I see as unnecessary.
1. Its typing sucks, leaving it with more checks and vulnerable to priority
Grass & flying is very no bueno, leaving Skymin hopeless against the many Steel Types in MnM. And before everyone starts yelling "but Lax, Earth Power!" Earth Power isn't even the best 4th move, Substitute is, good job hitting Skarmory, Magearna still isn't 2HKOd, etc. I'll get into more specific checks later, but sticking to typing just be wary of the fact that it does not hit any of the special defensive walls in the meta (Blissey, Ho Oh, Toxapex etc) super effectively, and it has a bad matchup in general. The only reason I advocated for a Skymin ban in AAA was because Tinted Lens exists.
2. Fast, but not that fast - Skymin has a horrible matchup against offense
Any mon with 108 base speed and Absolite or Metagrossite outspeeds Skymin and can likely OHKO since Skymin is frail for this metagame. Notably we have Kartana, Koko, Latios, Archeops, Gengar, Greninja, Keldeo, Noivern, Terrakion, Thundurus.
This would not be that much of an issue if it wasn't for Skymin's huge weakness to -Atespeed. Between speed and priority and an often inability to get a pure OHKO, Skymin is actually a poor option against offense. It is best suited against bulkier teams, but tbh is not as good as things like Hoopa.
3. It doesn't OHKO stuff!!!!!!
Big one here. Skymin just doesnt OHKO a lot since MnM is really bulky and Seed Flare has shit typing and Air Slash has low power. Zygarde, Pdon, blah blah I could go on forever it just doesnt ohko a lot, and it is ohkod by pretty much everything.
Yes sleep is why Skymin is scary, I get that. But Sleep Clause exists, and Sablenite is on sooo prevalent in this meta its honestly not that scary. I hate to be that "just play better" guy, but, just play better.
4. Its checks already exist and are viable regardless of Skymin's existence in the meta.
See any mon listed above as offensive checks, and throw in any mon that learns Priority (Genesect, Entei, Weavile, to name a few that are extremely common - side note - they also switch in besides Weavile!)
More common checks:
Blissey, Skarmory, Ho Oh, Magearna, Heatran (unless Epower), Zapdos, Mandibuzz, Toxapex, Aegislash
Don't get bamboozled, vote Do Not Banoozle.
I'll be getting reqs and voting soon enough but I'm hoping to try to show why I think Skymin has gotten an unwarranted knee-jerk reaction that has people calling for a ban which I see as unnecessary.
1. Its typing sucks, leaving it with more checks and vulnerable to priority
Grass & flying is very no bueno, leaving Skymin hopeless against the many Steel Types in MnM. And before everyone starts yelling "but Lax, Earth Power!" Earth Power isn't even the best 4th move, Substitute is, good job hitting Skarmory, Magearna still isn't 2HKOd, etc. I'll get into more specific checks later, but sticking to typing just be wary of the fact that it does not hit any of the special defensive walls in the meta (Blissey, Ho Oh, Toxapex etc) super effectively, and it has a bad matchup in general. The only reason I advocated for a Skymin ban in AAA was because Tinted Lens exists.
2. Fast, but not that fast - Skymin has a horrible matchup against offense
Any mon with 108 base speed and Absolite or Metagrossite outspeeds Skymin and can likely OHKO since Skymin is frail for this metagame. Notably we have Kartana, Koko, Latios, Archeops, Gengar, Greninja, Keldeo, Noivern, Terrakion, Thundurus.
This would not be that much of an issue if it wasn't for Skymin's huge weakness to -Atespeed. Between speed and priority and an often inability to get a pure OHKO, Skymin is actually a poor option against offense. It is best suited against bulkier teams, but tbh is not as good as things like Hoopa.
3. It doesn't OHKO stuff!!!!!!
Big one here. Skymin just doesnt OHKO a lot since MnM is really bulky and Seed Flare has shit typing and Air Slash has low power. Zygarde, Pdon, blah blah I could go on forever it just doesnt ohko a lot, and it is ohkod by pretty much everything.
Yes sleep is why Skymin is scary, I get that. But Sleep Clause exists, and Sablenite is on sooo prevalent in this meta its honestly not that scary. I hate to be that "just play better" guy, but, just play better.
4. Its checks already exist and are viable regardless of Skymin's existence in the meta.
See any mon listed above as offensive checks, and throw in any mon that learns Priority (Genesect, Entei, Weavile, to name a few that are extremely common - side note - they also switch in besides Weavile!)
More common checks:
Blissey, Skarmory, Ho Oh, Magearna, Heatran (unless Epower), Zapdos, Mandibuzz, Toxapex, Aegislash
Don't get bamboozled, vote Do Not Banoozle.