Because no one even try it and then judge it because people just look at and say it suck.
No matter how many times you say "you don't know how good it is because you've never used it" our opinions won't change. Want to know why? Because Bellossom DOES suck. No matter how much you like it, that fact that it is outclassed will not change. New metas may arise out of trying new things, but Bellossom is one of those things that just is not viable because literally everything it can do can be done way better by something else. Unrated is most appropriate for it, but D rank at absolute maximum.
Hi Grass Bloom. You need to consider that grass is generally a pretty difficult type to use and that Bellossom will be competing for a slot on the team. Even if you just consider the other pure grass type pokemon that could be used, it struggles to find a niche. The Special attacking sets could be used to better effect by Shaymin, Sceptile, Serperior or even Lilligant. The physical attacking sets outclassed by Gogoat, Sceptile and Leafeon. The wall sets at completely outclassed by Tangrowth, Bulk Up Gogoat, or even Meganium. And thats just considering the pure grass types. Only Sceptile and Serperior really see decent usage out of those, and for a good reason; they are the only ones worth using. Some calcs showing how Bellossom takes a SE hit with weakness policy and counters them would be useful to illustrate your point, or even some replays. Even you said that the special set struggles unless it is hit by a SE hit, and the physical set is pretty much useless against all of Grass's main weaknesses. I hope this clarifies some of the issues many are having with Bellossom and why is probably doesn't deserve to be ranked.Bellossom for B or C rank
Due to its versatility that it can offer
As Attacker
Bellossom@Weakness policy
There are 2 ways to use bellossom with WP
1.Special attack
Nature: calm
EV: 252HP/96SPATK/160SPDEF
-sleep powder
-giga drain
-hidden rock/fire/ice
-moonblast/synthesis
This set is my classic set. Due to bellossom's bulkiness, it can survive most ohko from SE moves from unbuff opponent which will activate weakness policy and sleep the foes and counter them back with your boost power. This strategy do not need support from teammates and can counter back foes most of the time. However this set usefulness will down if bellossom did not hit by SE move and spdef wall and pokemon that resist all its move can wall it. The EVs is designed to sustain sp.atk from the like of unbuff flamthrower chandelure, dont use it to take SE hit on physcal side.
2.Physical attack
Nature: Adamant
EV: 252 HP/160 ATK/20 DEF/ 76 SPDEF
-sleep powder
-drain punch
-petal blizzard/leaf blade
-sword dance
Well this is very classic physical set that most of people know it and yes it can work better with WP free boost and more boost from SD. This set if play wisely it can punch through most of the thing however it will be useless against bug, poison, flying and sometimes on...fire and BURN status but it did work and save me many matches and some learn it the hard way. the alternative of this set is hold sitrus berry instead of WP to give you instant heal and sleep the enemy or scope len to boost crit chance if you use leafblade. It also not need much support from the team also.
*note Life orb and Assault vest can be use with bellossom too, especially AV that increase its decent spdef so you can max out spatk and hp.
*Other classic standard bellossom's atk/spatk sets, e.g. sunnyday chlorophyll combo set, life orb spatker, etc, can still be use too but need to play wisely.
As Wall/Support
Bellossom@Leftover/Rocky helmet/WP
Nature: Bold
EV: 252 HP/200 DEF/56 SPDEF or 252 HP/252 SPDEF/4 SPDEF
-sleep powder/stun spore
-moonblast
-synthesis
-giga drain/leech seed
or
-stun spore
-sleep powder
-hidden power rock/fire
-giga drain
*For special wall flip the EV and nature to calm instead
Thanks to def boost, bellossom can become physical wall to an extend with full ev def@bold can make it able to survive choice band talonflame sometimes and cripple it with status. rocky helmet can be really annoying for physical fighters and moon blast, giga drain/leech seed and hidden power can provide good coverage so these is kinda mix between wall and support and can be use to annoy anyone who underestimate it.
Conclusion
There a lot of things you can try with bellossom, its stat give it quite a versatility if you use it correctly. There are 2-3 more sets that I had tried but I will save those for later. This thing is now that useless if you using it and it need little support from the team to operate but still some set will be better with A rank class that why I support bellossom to be in B rank because of its versatility and need less support to be use and if not, C rank is also plausible for it. Well I hope you guys consider my opinion. Thanks for reading this.
I did essentially repeat what you said but a bit more bluntly. I don't post in threads very often, but when I do, I like to make a point. It may have come off a bit harsh I guess, but some things need to be said. I'm filing away Bellossom in the "badly needs a mega" category and I'll be looking forward to the day I see the mega flower hula dancing thing. :]
The thing about this set is that there's a lot of things that play the same role better than Bellossom. Mega Sceptile can play the role as a hard hitting special attacker that has more Speed and hits harder without the need to get hit first. Even Roserade can play this set better (although it really shouldn't) due to its better Speed and bulk.
It has the problems the special set had and more. Bellossom has a way better special movepool than physical movepool and also a higher SpAtk. Why even put in slash in Petal Blizzard when Leaf Blade is better? Swords Dance wouldn't help because it wouldn't survive two hits. The biggest problem is something you already said. It's useless against Bug, Poison, Flying and Fire. It'd also be pretty useless against Ghost due to being walled by Aegislash and burned by Sableye. Even with Drain Punch, it's still useless against Steel due to Skarmory and Ferrothorn existing. Finally, against Psychic and Dark, Victini and Mandibuzz wall it to no end. I might've missed a few other things there, but it's still a lot of uselessness.
tbh, Assault Vest or Chlorophyll sweeper is probably an even better set than the two Weakness Policy sets you put up there. With Assault Vest, you actually have decent special bulk and Chlorophyll can be used for a sun team. They're both still outclassed by Venusaur though.
First, I'd like to say: what the heck is up with the secondary EV set? I guess you meant 252 HP/252 Def/4 SpDef.
I have no idea what you just said, but from what I can interpret, some Bellossom sets would be better if it were A Rank which makes no sense.
If your main point is having a switch-in to Excadrill (and all ground moves, for that matter), then you should recommend the fully physically defensive set IMO (ground types like to carry rock moves for situations like these).Golbat for B Rank (A if you see this fit) ~ For Poison
Wall, Break, and.. Flap.
Holaaaaa~!~!~!
Need a switch-in to Excadrill? Despise Ogrekiss? Need more flyy?!
-Flap is yo savior~!
Special Thanks to ArcheDeacon for Golbat's set.
Flap (Golbat) @ Eviolite
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 248 HP / 44 Def / 218 SpD l OR l 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD l OR l 248 HP/ 8 Atk / 252 Def /
Careful Nature
- Brave Bird
- Haze/Whirlwind/Taunt
- Roost
- Defog
Coloured spread is the suggested spread, by me at least :/
Bolded moves are the more suggested moves, among other ones in the same slot.
If all moves are Bolded in that moveslot, it means these moves are important equally, for different reasons. The rest are recommended
Between us though, run Haze cause fuck Mega-Sableye ( <3 Kammi )
Why rank it so high? Lemme tell you something about Golbat.
Now you know how great a Crobat is, Offensively, and how naturally bulky it is.
Say you wanna run Crobat Defensively o3o , but you either run something else that outclasses it defensively like Mega-Venusur or Specially Defensively like Tentacruel.
But then you get ripped by Band EQ spam or some other shit.. But guess what, Golbat has FLYING typing.
#FlapFlap
Here's a fun fact:
Crobat's HP stat is only Higher than Golbat's by 10.
Crobat's SpD stat is only Higher than Golbat's by 5.
Crobat's Def stat is only Higher than Golbat's by 10.
What about just running crobat? Its obviously better Defensively AND Offensively!
Well no it isnt :/ Offensively yeah, not gonna argue about that, but lets take a look at this:
As you already know, there is this item called: Eviolite.
Lets take a look at Golbat's GIVEN Defensive stats, along with Crobat's.
Golbat:
Crobat:
Crobat's HP is higher by 10, Defense by 10, Special Defense by 5.
- Thats nothing.
Also, Crobat can't use Eviolite which you probably already figured out by now :P
Think of those stats, Invested & Eviolite.. ( For Golbat that is )
Lets compare the two, defensively, both SpD and Def.
Golbat on the Left : Crobat on the Right
[ 264 SpD (218 SpD) ] x [ 1.5 ( Eviolite) ]= 396 SpD > 284 SpD (252+ SpD)
[ 187 Def (44 Def) ] x [ 1.5 (Eviolite) ] = 280.5 ≈ 284 Def (252+ Def)
(248 HP) 357 (248 HP) ≈ (248 HP) 377 (248 HP)
We've proved Golbat outclasses Crobat Defensively. Yay!
Now moving on to why run this over Tentacruel.
Dont.
If youre looking for a special wall, Run Tentacruel. it IS better.
But do if you want to have a safe switch in to threats such as Excadrill.
NOT DONE. POSTED CAUSE IDEK HOW TO SAVE.
Edits don't tag people nub, I'll edit it tonight :^]
Its been done :s
P sure there isnt one of there at all :/
That hasn't been written up, I just placed it in a random place
Death God Anubis did it on like page 49 iirc. And Tyke I wrote an updated one on Page 50 or 51 somewhere.
o can you link it because I can't find it ;w;
Here it is Anttya, you even liked it ;_________;
Latias for S-Class on Dragon!
80/80/90/110/130/110
Latias is a great pokemon, being the slighter more bulky, and slightly less hard hitting monster in comparison to its brother, Latios.
Like Latios it shares the now crowded 110 speed slot, with full investment and a positive nature notching it in at 350.
Its utility that Latios doesn't have is its utility in Healing Wish, as well as being slightly bulkier, as well as other certain moves and sets, being able to utilize a bulky hard hitting set.
Latias @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 72 HP / 184 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Defog
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Roost/Healing Wish
All I gotta say about this is one of the most common versions of Latios, being able to bulk a decent hit and respond, as well as get rid of hazards several times, unless its a one time deal with Healing Wish, otherwise, its get to low health after fulfilling its role of getting rid of hazards and breathing life into a sweeper or other mon. Decent set, nicely used on multiple teams.
Latias (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Pulse
- Psyshock/Stored Power
- Roost
Not much to say here, not very viable anymore unless on MegaTias, as it has more bulk, and fulfills this role much better of being a set up sweeper, because of multiple factors, such as increased bulk as well as hitting harder.
Latias @ Light Clay
EVs: 216 HP / 40 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Healing Wish
- Dragon Pulse/Roost/Tailwind
OR
Latias @ Light Clay
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Healing Wish
- /Roost/Tailwind
Nice set, Latios has one thing on this set, being that it can actually Memento and either cripple or set back a setup sweeper. Nice pokemon, but if you're using Roost or Tailwind, do the obvious thing and push those 40 SpAtk ev's to HP and put the extra 4 into Def/SpDef. But this can give opportunities to a setup sweeper, such as Altaria-M and give it more HP as to not use/waste a move on Roost, as well as set up screens a few times.
Latias @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psyshock
- Surf/Thunderbolt/Hidden Power Fire
- Healing Wish/Roost
- Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor
All I gotta say is don't run Earthquake, because Latios is a much, much better lure for Tran, and even then, its not that good of a lure tbh. That and if you run HP Fire, then it loses a speed point, notching in at 349 instead.
Latias is a great pokemon, capable of running multiple roles as well as playing them very well. It can also, Thunder Wave stuff if you really, really want to, as well as run Wish if you're desperate for a Wish mon on Dragon. Dunno why you would since Shelgon is such a great mon jk jk Anyways, read, find holes, do whatever you want to, and find what you want to take from this. Also Gen 5 sprites are the best.
Its listed as S, but there is no linked post, I guess it wasnt?
