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Muddy Water

Discussion in 'BW OU Teams' started by Hypercut, Oct 17, 2012.

  1. Hypercut


    Mar 23, 2011


    Hi there! This is my first RMT here, and i want show you a particular team. I'm so tired of weather teams that contains the same Pokèmon and have usual strategy, for example standard Weathers, and i think that you're tired too. So, my intention was to build a different Weather team: funny to play, and competitive. Yeah, i'm talking about Double Weather team. No Tyranitar + Abomasnow, but Tyranitar + Politoed. Together, these two Pokèmons are terryfing. I've tested this team for a week, and this is the result. It's a very fast team, so you have to finish the match early, continuing to press the opponent with switchbacks and other stuff. Let's see.

    At a Glance



    Tyranitar (F) @ Chople Berry
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 252 HP / 64 SAtk / 192 SDef
    Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Crunch
    - Pursuit
    - Fire Blast​


    Politoed (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Drizzle
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Hydro Pump
    - Ice Beam
    - Encore
    - Perish Song​


    Starmie @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Recover
    - Rapid Spin
    - Ice Beam
    - Scald​


    Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Fire Punch
    - U-turn
    - Iron Head
    - Trick​


    Landorus (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sheer Force
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Rock Polish
    - Earth Power
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Focus Blast​


    Rotom-W @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 192 HP / 56 SAtk / 252 SDef / 8 Spd
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Volt Switch
    - Hydro Pump
    - Pain Split
    - Will-O-Wisp​

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  2. Hypercut


    Mar 23, 2011
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  3. The Silent Storm

    The Silent Storm

    Apr 24, 2010
    Hi there, this is quite an innovative team, congrats for that.
    So let's get down to business, this team has some problems against Keldeo, he can set up pretty much against everyone then proceed to rape you, here I don't think Ice Beam on Starmie is really that useful, since you already have scarf politoed with Ice Beam and Scarfrachi, why don't you try Psyshock over Ice Beam? This way you gain a solid check against opposing keldeo, and also another help for Amoonguss who can be quite troublesome.
    I would also consider Thunder Wave over Wow on Rotom-w to slow down fast sweepers for Landorus if he hasn't rock polished (par also gives you a 25% free chance to setup, which can be valuable)
    Hope it helped, good luck!
  4. PDC

    PDC this cruel thesis
    is a Tiering Contributoris a Team Rater Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnusis a defending World Cup of Pokemon champion

    Mar 18, 2010
    Hi, not much to say as this is a pretty solid team!

    What I can suggest is changing up Landorus's spread into one of 68 HP / 252 SAtk / 184 Spe to give the maximum bulk with all the speed you really need with a Modest nature. I would also suggest switching up Starmie's spread a little, to one of 244HP / 40 Def / 224 Spe Timid to give overall more bulk, just enough so you can outspeed Gengar and Latios with ease and hit them hard with either Scald or Ice Beam.

    Good luck!
  5. Emvee


    Oct 15, 2012
    Keldeo wrecks this team. You need Psyshock on Starmie over Ice Beam. Also, I don't really see the point of having Tyranitar when the majority of your other Pokemon thrive in the rain.
  6. Yeezy D

    Yeezy D

    Oct 13, 2012
    Don't put Psyshock over Ice Beam, that's a stupid idea. How will you counter Chomp, Landorus, Gliscor etc.
    Put Psyshock over Recover, the amount of times you'll use Recover is ridiculously low, as Starmie can't really tank it like most Recover users, it gets OHKO'd alot.
  7. Hypercut


    Mar 23, 2011
    Thanks all for the rate! Ok, let's start.

    Psyshock on Starmie it's a good idea, i've done some damage calculation for Keldeo, and that's the result:

    And for Amoonguss max SDef max HP:

    or this Amoonguss:

    So, Psyshock it's a good idea, in fact, i have ScarfToed, and in a lot of situations vs Amoonguss or Keldeo, i haven't a real response against this two guys, so i'll try Psyshock over Ice Beam, thanks TSS.

    Tyranitar in this team is really useful. He can trap Latwins, and Politoed with Ice Beam, doesn't OHKO them, while Tyranitar with Pursuit can OHKO. but it's not only this, in fact, i can keep up the pressure against Sunny teams, for example vs Saur, removing the sun will not activate it's ability, and i can flinch with Jirachi or deal lot of damage with Politoed's Ice Beam (obviously i have to drag him in the OHKO range).

    And this is the damage output with Garchomp

    This is the Bulky SD, but..

    this is OHKO'd.

    also, thanks PDC for the Landorus EV spread, i'll use it.
  8. Dark Nikuman

    Dark Nikuman

    Oct 27, 2011
    Hi, nice RMT and cool grafic here!

    I used this combo only once and I found gastrodon being the most useful member.

    You can use it over rotom-w, you'll fix your problem with keldeo.

    GL, with your team!
  9. EnterRAYZORS


    Sep 27, 2012
    Firstly, ive never been a huge fan of the whole dual weather thing, however its probebly really fun to use. ive never used it myself and never had problems against it, as its harder to abuse two weathers than just one. but anyway i like your team and it looks strong. now onto the rate!
    Breloom behind a sub is a nightmare for your team especially when jirachi and lando are gone (and he is still very bad for your team whilst they are alive! Keldeo too is a huge threat as his Hydro Pumps are benefited by your own Rain. Aswell as been able to OHKO Tyranitar as you try change the weather to sandstorm. To rectify this you could run psyshock on starmie over ice beam (which your probebly sick of hearing) or you could run ThunderPunch over trick on Jirachi. (Ino your dismissing the idea, but it also helps against gyarados that could be awkward after Rotom dies, and also against Tornadus-T that is abusing your own rain. I use to run the same Jirachi but with ThunderPunch and trust me the extra coverage can be handy. I still do recomend psyshock on starmie though)
    Your team isnt exactly SR week either so maybe a more offensive starmie Ev spread with a Life Orb or Expert Belt? So say Hydro Pump, Psyshock, Thunderbolt/ Ice Beam/ Rapid Spin, Recover? The extra damage output will really hurt a lot of threats to your team, aswell as another poke that is firing off rain boosted Hydro Pumps that are very hard to switch into. Other than that i think there arnt many (any that i can think of) alterations that wouldnt ruin the feel of the team, or the idea and foundations behind the team.

    I hope this RMT helps, and good luck with the team!!
    Look forward to hearing how it goes!
  10. chimpact

    chimpact fire nation
    is a Team Rater Alumnusis a Past SPL Champion

    Oct 22, 2006
    I agree that you should put Psyshock on Starmie over Ice Beam. It's not doing nearly as much to dragons as you would hope because you have no investment in your SpAtk, and it gives you a great answer to Keldeo. It also helps against Tentacruel and Chansey. You have answers to dragons in your Scarf politoed and Jirachi.

    Additionally, your team could have problems with SubCM Jirachi, so I suggest making Landorus Timid. I understand you have Rock Polish boosting your speed and you can OHKO Genesect with Earthpower with Modest, but losing out to + speed base 100s isn't worth the extra power.

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